swift actions


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Hi

can you use two of these in a round (ie use your standard as a swift?). I see the rules that says you cant, i just wondered what the thinking behind it is, as a standard action = more energy/effort than a swift?

if a high level bard starts a performance as a swift action, moves, changed performance as a standard action...does that take up 2 'charges'?


If the action is a swift action only then you can do that action twice. If the action can be performed as a swift or standard action, such as a bard's performance then it does not count as 2 swift actions. It counts as a standard, and a swift action.


swift actions are limited to once per round, often because it is too powerful an ability to do multiple times per round, if it wasn't limited it would be a free action, game balance reasons, little else.

Personally I believe it should though it doesn't specifically say so. imo every use of bardic perform should use up at least 1 round.


I am sure that the ability has to be active in order for someone to benefit from it so activating it and changing it before their turn most likely won't help them. It seems I misunderstood the question the first time.


wraithstrike wrote:
I am sure that the ability has to be active in order for someone to benefit from it so activating it and changing it before their turn most likely won't help them. It seems I misunderstood the question the first time.

free action to stop performance A

swift action start performace B
every comes out of delay/ready to do stuff
standard to go back performance A

im sure this must be 2 uses of perfrom despite in all being in one round?


but everyone takes their action before you restart A so they still only benefit from one performance.

If you set it up so that you restart A before they take their actions then they never benefit from B.

edit:You have also given up casting a spell or attacking so it is a fair trade off.


i didnt post that?

question really is then: despite using two diff performances but only for/in one round, does it take 2 charges of performance?


The charges are measured in rounds of use. In short no, not by the book anyway. If that was the intent they need to rewrite it.


thenovalord wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
I am sure that the ability has to be active in order for someone to benefit from it so activating it and changing it before their turn most likely won't help them. It seems I misunderstood the question the first time.

free action to stop performance A

swift action start performace B
every comes out of delay/ready to do stuff
standard to go back performance A

im sure this must be 2 uses of perfrom despite in all being in one round?

Well the problem with that:

To actually interrupt another's turn, you have to ready an action. You can only ready a standard action. So all those people couldn't do a full attack, or move at the same time, etc.
If they delay they act after your turn, not in the middle of it.

I guess... you could ready a standard action to resume Perfomance A once everyone is done with their delayed turn, but that would constantly lower your (and everyone's) initiative.

Also I really don't see the advantage of this setup really.


It could make sense to start a performance twice in a round if using one of the "Finale" spells, though - so the question is still relevant.

Anyway, I agree with wraithstrike that since it is explicitly rounds and not "uses" it would only be 1 round of performance by RAW, probably.


Well dirge of doom has an instantaneous fear effect I think ? using that as a swift action would be beneficial, then use a standard or move action to activate performance to buff..

Also isnt it a standard action to ready an action ? if so the bard could do swift dirge of doom, activate a buff and ready an action to switch performance.


Yeah, readying is a standard action. At level 13 I don't think that is all too bad though.


yeah, it was for a finale thingey iirc
do we think it takes two charges of perfrom

ta for input

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