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Wild Shape is merely a good disguise and polymorph spell. You should check the polymorph rules first.
1. It doesn't really matter which animal you pick as long as it's some medium/small animal with climb speed, fly speed or such.
2. You don't apply any template. Your stats remain same generaly.
3. You can check prd or sfrd for animals, but you won't get those larger shapes until later on.
Additional info:
What you gain:
- Number of natural attacks of specific animal
- Climb/Fly/Swim speed or some other creature specific ability
What you lose:
- Armor bonus from your armor, for example, hide armor bonus (+4).
Everything else remains same beside the additional armor gained from Wild Shape and size modifiers. I am unsure about feats tho.
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Howdy, will try to help ya.
1) sorry but no template's allowed. So, this means you need to find animals that already fit the size.
If you go here, it will show you what sources are legal to use to find shapes. http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/additionalResources
Dino's make good huge shapes, as for diminutive cant think of any but the bat right now.
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Rycaut, you need to read three sections.
Wildshape(class ability), Beast Shape(spell) and Polymorph.
Read those three sections. I went through this a few weeks ago when trying to figure out my wildshaping abilities.
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Rycaut, you need to read three sections.
Wildshape(class ability), Beast Shape(spell) and Polymorph.
Read those three sections. I went through this a few weeks ago when trying to figure out my wildshaping abilities.
The short version is you can change into anything of the appropriate size for your current Wildshape level, as long as you are "familiar" with the animal, and as long as it comes from a legal PFS source.
The short version of what constitutes "familiar" is GM discretion.
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The short version of what constitutes "familiar" is GM discretion.
I thought a Knowledge: Nature roll was required to determine if you "know" an animal well enough to shape shift into it.
Is the number and types of creatures you can turn into not tied to a druid's knowledge of nature?
If a roll was associated with it, it would be mentioned in the class ability. It isn't.
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If a roll was associated with it, it would be mentioned in the class ability. It isn't.
The short version of what constitutes "familiar" is GM discretion.
I thought a Knowledge: Nature roll was required to determine if you "know" an animal well enough to shape shift into it.
Is the number and types of creatures you can turn into not tied to a druid's knowledge of nature?
I was using Treant Monk's guide as a reference where he mentions this in his druid guide. I assumed he was quoting a ruling I was unfamiliar with if that's not the case, Knowledge:Nature seems liek the best way to gauge what animals a druid has in his shape shifting "rolo-dex" so to speak.
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Yes - but is there a good reference that shows animals (and magical beasts etc) by size, filterable for ones that are PFS legal?
In the three links I posted above it states what you can turn into. Animal, elemental and plants. Never a magical beast.
Furthermore, on the Additional resources page it lists Bestiary 1, 2 and 3 and specifically mentions Wild Shape.
As far as what you are familiar with... that's purely flavor. Unless someone can point to a ruling or a rule on this matter.
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Sounds reasonable but where does the restriction on using "standard" bestiary blocks come from? I know that polymorph generally restricts you from applying templates (in a home game I would allow templates to be used to make young/older versions of animals for greater player flexibility but that's a home game dm decision not PFS)
Question, Answer?
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On familiarity:
As a GM, I would look at two things, 1) is this a home game, or 2) is this PFS.
In a home game, I can ask the player to come up with a backstory as to where they came from, and what they have experienced. And within reason, if it’s a good story, I would allow those familiarities. As they experience the world (or gain ranks in Knowledge (nature)) I think it reasonable to allow them to expand their familiarities. However, if they never adventure outside a tundra, then no matter how much knowledge nature they know (unless for some reason they go to a library), they probably won’t be turning into a monkey or other tropical animal.
In PFS, things are a bit different. As a GM I don’t have as much leeway to make a stern ruling like this. But if you are Mwangi, then it would make sense that must jungle animals would be available. Some aquatic (as the Mwangi expanse does have ocean shorelines), and mountain might also be appropriate. I wouldn’t take the time, most likely, to search through all your chronicles to see where you’ve been, and since there is no (or rather infinite) time between scenarios, you could say you went anywhere you wanted. But if you have no ranks in Knowledge (nature) and you roleplay a naïve jungle druid, as a GM I would feel it well within my rights to say you don’t have familiarity with a snow leopard from The Edge of Heaven. But largely, I would trust players to not cheese out for the sake of cheesing.
Because Animal Companions have nothing to do with Wild Shape forms??
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Sounds reasonable but where does the restriction on using "standard" bestiary blocks come from? I know that polymorph generally restricts you from applying templates (in a home game I would allow templates to be used to make young/older versions of animals for greater player flexibility but that's a home game dm decision not PFS)Question, Answer?No not answered.
The Roc, for example, has stat blocks for a roc animal companion. Does that then allow the animal companion sized rocs as an option for wild shape? If not, why not?
The animal companion stats are for animal companions, not wild shape.
There is no campaign documentation that specifically says this, other than:
Other: all creatures in this book are legal for polymorph effects (including a druid’s wild shape ability) within the boundaries of each spell or ability’s parameters.
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At 4th level, a druid gains the ability to turn herself into any Small or Medium animal and back again once per day. Her options for new forms include all creatures with the animal type. This ability functions like the beast shape I spell, except as noted here. The effect lasts for 1 hour per druid level, or until she changes back. Changing form (to animal or back) is a standard action and doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity. The form chosen must be that of an animal with which the druid is familiar.
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When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the animal type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent.
which indicates you need to pick an animal from a bestiary that has the above additional resources quote (all 3 do now). The animal companion notation is there in case you want to use that animal as an animal companion.
You MIGHT, with a very tentative might, find a GM who would allow you to turn into the medium sized ROC with the animal companion stats.
But my guess is, that the prevailing answer from GMs will be no.
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there should be an exception for the wild shape ability that specifically allows the use of templates for animal shaman archetypes
There is, if you're an Eagle Shaman. But only them. Some Shaman options just don't have as many choices.
Also, this thread is six years old. It's really best, going forward, to just create a new thread. A lot of discussion has been had over the last half dozen years that really renders this thread obsolete.
