I had a sinking feeling about this season of RWBY based on the opening credits (both the lyrics posted previously and the imagery in the opening itself.)
While this season hasn't been bad (far from it) the darker tone has been ramping up steadily with each episode, and I'm not sure it's really what I want out of the series. I'm not against dark stories in general, but I started watching RWBY as more of an escapist thing, so the tonal change is disappointing, in a way.
From: "This Will be the Day"
Beware that the light is fading;
Beware if the dark returns
This world's unforgiving, even brilliant lights will cease to burn
Legends scatter
Day and night will sever
Hope and peace are lost forever
From "Time to say Goodbye":
We can’t just cling to childish things
As evil just grows closer
Humanity’s in jeopardy
This fight is far from over
Now it's time to say goodbye
To the things we loved
And the innocence of youth
Or, you know, the entirety of "Die."
This is no sudden swerve. This is the darkness we've been promised/warned about since episode 1.
I'm really bad at picking out song lyrics, so none of that really registered. Plus, I would never point at a show's theme song as "This is what the show really is" vs. what we're actually shown on the screen. And up until the midpoint of this season, the tone was very different. (There's also the fact that, prior to this season, anyway, the theme songs had a very upbeat sound to them, even if the lyrics didn't match.)
Someone elsewhere brought up a comparison with Full Metal Alchemist. While that show can dip into whimsy, it establishes from the very beginning how dark the world is with Al and Ed trying and failing to resurrect their mother. Our introduction to the world of RWBY, on the other hand, is some cool fights and schoolyard antics. (Yes, I realize the opening narration hints at the darker world, but again, that's telling rather than showing.)
So if you only go based on what we've actually been shown (rather than extrapolating from song lyrics, or background hints dropped here or there in dialogue) the tonal shift IS unexpected.
2 friends recommended Erased separately, 1 of which gives anime recommendation panels at cons. After the first 3 episodes, I have to say it is pretty awesome.
2 friends recommended Erased separately, 1 of which gives anime recommendation panels at cons. After the first 3 episodes, I have to say it is pretty awesome.
Erased looks good, but I'm waiting until the entire cour is out; I prefer to watch shows at my own pace, rather than having to wait a week for each new episode. (Though some shows are so engaging that I can't bring myself to wait.)
I had a sinking feeling about this season of RWBY based on the opening credits (both the lyrics posted previously and the imagery in the opening itself.)
While this season hasn't been bad (far from it) the darker tone has been ramping up steadily with each episode, and I'm not sure it's really what I want out of the series. I'm not against dark stories in general, but I started watching RWBY as more of an escapist thing, so the tonal change is disappointing, in a way.
From: "This Will be the Day"
Beware that the light is fading;
Beware if the dark returns
This world's unforgiving, even brilliant lights will cease to burn
Legends scatter
Day and night will sever
Hope and peace are lost forever
From "Time to say Goodbye":
We can’t just cling to childish things
As evil just grows closer
Humanity’s in jeopardy
This fight is far from over
Now it's time to say goodbye
To the things we loved
And the innocence of youth
Or, you know, the entirety of "Die."
This is no sudden swerve. This is the darkness we've been promised/warned about since episode 1.
I'm really bad at picking out song lyrics, so none of that really registered. Plus, I would never point at a show's theme song as "This is what the show really is" vs. what we're actually shown on the screen. And up until the midpoint of this season, the tone was very different. (There's also the fact that, prior to this season, anyway, the theme songs had a very upbeat sound to them, even if the lyrics didn't match.)
Someone elsewhere brought up a comparison with Full Metal Alchemist. While that show can dip into whimsy, it establishes from the very beginning how dark the world is with Al and Ed trying and failing to resurrect their mother. Our introduction to the world of RWBY, on the other hand, is some cool fights and schoolyard antics. (Yes, I realize the opening narration hints at the darker world, but again, that's telling rather than showing.)
So if you only go based on what we've actually been shown (rather than extrapolating from song lyrics, or background hints dropped here or there in dialogue) the tonal shift IS unexpected.
IOW, it's surprising if you're not paying attention? What a shock.
If a show starts happy, while repeatedly dropping hints over two seasons that happy times don't last forever, any surprise over the show making a dark turn is your own fault.
The primary thing that could surprise you is how dark it was gonna get.
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I mean, I saw Phyrra's death coming(Mostly. her not dying in the transfer in the previous episode threw me), but even then, it hurt to actually see it happen.
of course now the question is what pattern the series is gonna settle into now. I doubt it's gonna stay quite as dark as these last few episodes, but the focus of the last two seasons is that... well, go read the lyrics to "Time to say Goodbye." Of course, we'll probably get our answers in season 4's lyrics.
I'm really bad at picking out song lyrics, so none of that really registered.
To be fair, a lot of the music in RWBY doesn't lend itself to easily following the lyrics. While the slower parts (such as the intros to "This Will Be the Day" and "Time to Say Goodbye") can be very pleasant, I've found that they're usually quickly drowned out as the music shifts to a "hard rock"-style, causing Casey Lee Williams to basically have to shriek the lyrics as fast and as loud as she can.
(I've heard that a lot of people really like the music in RWBY; maybe I'm too old, but I really can't concur in that regard.)
I was almost to the point where of thinking that they staff just didn't have much talent for music...but then I heard "Cold" (the theme played during the third season finale's ending credits) and it put that perception immediately to rest.
I thought it was especially poignant that the song, which initially seems like it's about
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Pyrrha
...is actually about Monty. That brought tears to my eyes.
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Plus, I would never point at a show's theme song as "This is what the show really is" vs. what we're actually shown on the screen.
IOW, it's surprising if you're not paying attention? What a shock.
I don't think not obsessing over song lyrics that are difficult to decipher simply by listening to them should count as "Not paying attention." I can't think of a single other series where someone has told me "Well, you would have known this would happen if you'd been paying exacting attention to the soundtrack."
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If a show starts happy, while repeatedly dropping hints over two seasons that happy times don't last forever, any surprise over the show making a dark turn is your own fault.
The primary thing that could surprise you is how dark it was gonna get.
Again, the "hints" you're referring to have either been song lyrics or off-hand comments. Again, telling, not showing.
However, I will say your last point is probably more accurate. I never believed it would be happy fun times forever. (And as I mentioned, the opening credits of this season definitely suggested a shift in tone) However, I didn't think we'd be looking at
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a beloved character accidentally brutally murdering another and then dying a pointless death herself (not even earning the Pyrrhic Victory her name implied) or a main character suddenly losing a limb after we'd seen multiple characters take similar strikes repeatedly with no injury and the characters' school and home city in ruins.
So after watching this weeks Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, I am really beginning to wonder where they intend to take the story.
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The plot thread of having randomly appeared in this world from another is pretty much ignored except for little tidbits dropped in conversation, like knowing that the temperature for the bread needs to be changed halfway though baking, but it being difficult to do over a wood fire.
They managed to get rid of the goblins in the city to avenge their cleric, but another, stronger group immediately moved in. Now they are apparently going to attempt to help the new cleric get revenge on the kobold that killed her friends. So second verse same as the first, or near enough.
Now I do really like the show, and the whole "slice of life in a DnD world" plot, it's currently vying for top of the season with Konosuba. But unless this is a 2 cour show the pace is really going to have to pick up in the next three episodes to accomplish anything.
So after watching this weeks Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, I am really beginning to wonder where they intend to take the story.
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Now I do really like the show, and the whole "slice of life in a DnD world" plot, it's currently vying for top of the season with Konosuba. But unless this is a 2 cour show the pace is really going to have to pick up in the next three episodes to accomplish anything.
There have been a few other points as well. like someone in the bar mentioning that some of the new Rookies ran into this new batch of goblins moving into the region.
People are still being brought to this world. What ever started this didn't stop with the group our main characters came with.
2 friends recommended Erased separately, 1 of which gives anime recommendation panels at cons. After the first 3 episodes, I have to say it is pretty awesome.
I'm now up to episode 8. Mom is the best mom in anime, and I really like how they are handling the mystery.
She makes her panties invisible so no one can see them. Cus that would be embarrassing... Aqua you prove once again that INT was your dump stat. And now we know the reason for the joke that is her outfit.
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Hah! You think that is pacing issues?!
I read all of the Love Hina manga purely out of stubbornness and SPITE. So is Grimgar the worst? No, course not. Not even in the top 500. But baby could use a little tightening.
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So after watching this weeks Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, I am really beginning to wonder where they intend to take the story.
There are similar elements which you pointed out but the focus of the next arc is really about something else. Which they do a poor job in the anime of showing.
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Ranta being a bigger ass than usual and Haru trying to figure out as an inexperienced leader how to deal with him. In fact in the novel the whole issue of moving hunting grounds was a big source of contention between the two of them and Mary didn't shed a single tear over it when it was decided as she expected it and had already prepared herself emotionally.
Posting a video online that the media thinks is fake but only other Ajin can tell is real (due to the way their kind regenerate), then staging a fake protest for the express purpose of gathering Ajin is pretty clever.
Did I mention that I'm really enjoying Ajin, by the way?
I read all of the Love Hina manga purely out of stubbornness and SPITE. So is Grimgar the worst? No, course not. Not even in the top 500. But baby could use a little tightening.
Oh, I'm not denying the issues with Grimgar... I'm just really annoyed at Utawarerumno - Itsuwari no Kamen. I really liked the original series, but this one... Watching it feels like a chore. I only do it out of nostalgia, stubbornness and hope that the old characters will show up a little. -.-'
Yeah, that's about what I'm in it for. We just keep going from one random event to another. I really need to get the game and see if it suffers from the same. Hopefully someone has put together a translation patch.
Oh, I'm not denying the issues with Grimgar... I'm just really annoyed at Utawarerumno - Itsuwari no Kamen. I really liked the original series, but this one... Watching it feels like a chore. I only do it out of nostalgia, stubbornness and hope that the old characters will show up a little. -.-'
Oh no Lemmy, didn't feel you were denying it, which is fine if you did.
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Yeah, that's about what I'm in it for. We just keep going from one random event to another. I really need to get the game and see if it suffers from the same. Hopefully someone has put together a translation patch.
OK I'm not familiar with the game itself. But are you looking for either a PC patch? Or a PsP patch?
For me, anime is the most frustrating genre on the screen because I want to like it. But with the exception of a few gems, everything I've seen is garbage.
That's true of most of the products of most of the fields in which people produce things. Most of the music being made today is garbage, but that was true way back when. It's not like in 1790 everybody wrote like Mozart. People just remember the good stuff.
For me, anime is the most frustrating genre on the screen because I want to like it. But with the exception of a few gems, everything I've seen is garbage.
That's true of most of the products of most of the fields in which people produce things. Most of the music being made today is garbage, but that was true way back when. It's not like in 1790 everybody wrote like Mozart. People just remember the good stuff.
Not only that, but anime exploded in popularity in the last 10 years or so, which means the quantity of garbage increased exponentially! Fortunately, the amount of good anime also increased, but you have to learn how to look for them. Luckily, information is easy to obtain these days. :)
For me, anime is the most frustrating genre on the screen because I want to like it. But with the exception of a few gems, everything I've seen is garbage.
That's true of most of the products of most of the fields in which people produce things. Most of the music being made today is garbage, but that was true way back when. It's not like in 1790 everybody wrote like Mozart. People just remember the good stuff.
Not only that, but anime exploded in popularity in the last 10 years or so, which means the quantity of garbage increased exponentially! Fortunately, the amount of good anime also increased, but you have to learn how to look for them. Luckily, information is easy to obtain these days. :)
If you don't mind I would like to supplement this. In the Western market indeed we have seen a massive explosion since at least the early 2000's in popularity and more so the availability of Japanese anime, manga, and light novels. (Joy!) I, myself, was part of the last generation of anime clubs getting fansubs via the US postal service. In Japan the growth while present has been more steady. At least based on market reports of the sales of foreign and domestic animation inside Japan. As we can see the market enjoyed growth concurrently in Japan during the Westerner explosion before hitting a dip for a four year period. Since 2012 to 2015 reports say that growth has continued (yay!). So despite all the doomsday predications that were abound in 2010 the industry is quite healthy.
Oh and might I also say in regards to information. Bless sites like livechart. They make a weeb's life so much easier.
She makes her panties invisible so no one can see them. Cus that would be embarrassing... Aqua you prove once again that INT was your dump stat. And now we know the reason for the joke that is her outfit.
Haha! That's great! Major kudos to you for finding that!
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Lemmy wrote:
Hah! You think that is pacing issues?!
I read all of the Love Hina manga purely out of stubbornness and SPITE. So is Grimgar the worst? No, course not. Not even in the top 500. But baby could use a little tightening.
I got into Love Hina because my friends were all watching it when it came out; I ended up buying the entire run of the manga when I was in Japan (which is pretty cheap if you shop at the used manga stores), and my take on the series was that it was amusing, but gave up a lot to get there. The characters, in particular, seemed to sacrifice a fair amount of characterization for the sake of fulfilling their narrative roles.
As a harem-comedy, it managed to set a standard (and helped give that entire sub-genre a boost), but it wasn't at all the archetype I kept hearing people treating it as.
Of course, that was nothing compared to how much I'd come to dislike Negima!.
Yeah, that's about what I'm in it for. We just keep going from one random event to another. I really need to get the game and see if it suffers from the same. Hopefully someone has put together a translation patch.
If it's anything like the first game/series, then it will probably smooth out some of the rough edges, but the fundamental problems will likely remain.
The original Utawarerumono game was about twenty hours long (as I recall), but that included about five hours of gameplay, which left fifteen hours of story. By contrast, the anime had twenty-six episodes of about twenty-one minutes each (that's after subtracting one-and-a-half minutes each for the opening and ending themes).
That meant that the original anime had about nine hours of story, compared to the original game's fifteen or so hours, so it's unsurprising that some stuff was left out (though, to be fair, the OVAs put some of this back in the anime series). But the fundamental story that was told was the same; it was mostly extraneous material that was cut, and for the most part didn't damage the story very much (though it certainly felt like the anime was rushed, compared to the game).
I am absolutely banging my head against a wall after the last episode of Utawarerumono: The False Faces.
Except for one notable scene...
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where we see a glimpse of Kuon's previously-hinted true power
...this entire episode could have had the Benny Hill chase music played over it. This was the literal depiction of the narrative rut that the series has so often found itself stuck in: things went round and round, and nothing was resolved.
And of course, the characters were once again completely stupid for no reason whatsoever, such as with Rurutie's nonsensical conflict with what everyone was doing, or Haku's eventually coming up with a plan for evading capture...not to mention the criminal underuse of the twin priestesses that he has at his disposal (whom we know have enough power to defend against a transformed, rampaging Vurai).
I swear, this series is amazing in its capacity to keep being a disappointment.
I'm watching Dagashi Kashi and Kono Suba for my seasonal anime. Watching Future Diary with my wife when we can make time for episodes (she's currently sick so there isn't much watching happening - plus we have to prioritize other stuff since Hulu might drop unwatched episodes if we don't get to them fast enough. They don't always wait 5 episodes before pulling it, in order to leave one older available for some unknown reason).
My after-work/days off viewing is currently the "A Certain" series.
Seeing some of the old cast again was great, and it was enough to make me wonder if
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Kuon was the child that Hakuoro had with Yuzuha...at least until I remembered that that subplot from the game was removed from the anime as a consequence of excising all of the game's ecchi material
...hence why that idea is obviously not the case.
So I've been thinking, and I've come to suspect that that actually is the case. In fact, I think that there's been a rather obvious clue about this all along, that being
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that Kuon's tail is not only the same type as Yuzuha's, but virtually the same coloration as well, neither of which are at all like Eruru's.
In hindsight, this makes sense; this series is meant to be an adaptation of the second video game, and the video game itself is going to be built around what happened in the first game, rather than in the first game's anime adaptation.
Konosuba ends with a Bang and confirms season 2 in production
This show surprised the heck out of me with how fun it was. Well worth the watch for any RPG fan
Aww, man, I didn't realize tonight was the last night (I was assuming 12 episodes). Oh well, I guess I'll have to break out the good stuff when I watch it tonight in honor of Aqua.
Now that this season is more or less done, I've started working through my backlog. One of the shows in that backlog was Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan (localized as "Chivalry of a Failed Knight"). I'll not go into too much detail about it other than saying that it's a light novel adaptation. Watching this show, I remembered a sense of dissonance I got from watching Gonna be the Twintail in fall 2014. Twintail got me thinking that while I really liked the anime, I probably wouldn't like the original novel. The things I liked about Twintail were firmly rooted in how Production IMS adapted the source material (the guy adapting the series into screenplays also wrote the screenplays of some my favorite Super Sentai series, the composer was behind a few soundtracks that I really like and every single monster-of-the-week was voiced by a tokusatsu actor). The source material was already kind of a love letter to the tropes and story conventions of tokusatsu shows, and the director wanted the anime to reflect that. They did such a great job at it that I doubt I'd like the novel without any of the extra love the anime had applied to it.
Watching Chivalry gave me the same feeling, only moreso. Chivalry isn't the kind of series that I can like that much. I didn't like the protagonist, I didn't really like the female lead, and there was no point in the series other than Ikki and Stella actually getting together that I couldn't predict every single narrative beat of the entire series. While I did end up enjoying the show, the things I enjoyed about it had nothing to do with the source material.
While I generally tend to like shows directed by Shin Ounuma, and I generally tend to like Koutarou Nakagawa's soundtracks, the part that finally convinced me that I was still watching the show based on what the show was doing rather than anything unique to the source material was when they introduced the final opponent of the season. In her intro scene, the final boss uses an attack so powerful it breaks the show's aspect ratio. I couldn't help but think about how much I would love to see that effect in a show I was watching for reasons other than boredom. It's not even that I think that Chivalry is a bad show. I'm just not sure if I actually like it all that much given that the best things that it brings to the table are entirely inventions of the studio that adapted it rather than inventions of the author of the novels.
Someone mentioned Legend of Galactic Heroes at some point? Either in this thread or another. I just found out about this and if you guys already know that's cool but...oh my god. My little weeabo heart never dreamed of this day. OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! /sqqqqqqqueeeeeee
@ Alzrius oh god you are so right on the LH characterizations. Even the author in the final volume is apologizing about never doing anything with Mitsune. >_< I refused to get into Negima! because of my hate for Love Hina.
Someone mentioned Legend of Galactic Heroes at some point? Either in this thread or another. I just found out about this and if you guys already know that's cool but...oh my god. My little weeabo heart never dreamed of this day. OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! /sqqqqqqqueeeeeee
@ Alzrius oh god you are so right on the LH characterizations. Even the author in the final volume is apologizing about never doing anything with Mitsune. >_< I refused to get into Negima! because of my hate for Love Hina.
I feel the need to express my disappointment in a couple things in Gundam Iron Blodded Orphans. First was their unnecessary advertisement for polygamy. This isn't something that should be painted as wonderful. Also while I know horrors of war is a bit of a Gundam theme it seems like they are going out of their way to make child warriors seem heroic not tragic... It should stay tragic when used, these kids will never know the joys of childhood.
I feel the need to express my disappointment in a couple things in Gundam Iron Blodded Orphans. First was their unnecessary advertisement for polygamy.
I'm going to break my own rule about not commenting on shows that I haven't watched, but I sincerely doubt that the series was "advertising" polygamy. That operates under the presumption that the show is making a deliberate effort to influence the attitudes and opinions of its viewers, which I sincerely doubt that it is.
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This isn't something that should be painted as wonderful.
It's real-world domestic abuse, be it physical, sexual, emotional, or in any other regard, that should never be "painted as wonderful." While polygamy can be used as a fig leaf for that, the two are not inherently related, and it's irresponsible to conflate them as being intrinsically linked, which I believe is what you're implying here.
People who are in healthy, fulfilling relationships with more than one partner already face enough discrimination for living in an alternative lifestyle, to say nothing of facing continual denial of legal coverage for having multiple simultaneous marriages. Openly espousing opposition to how they're living their lives only serves to pour more acrimony on people who are already marginalized.
Moreover, it's worth reiterating (once again) the difference between heinous acts in the real world and what happens in a work of self-evident fiction. Insofar as crafting such a work goes, any topic is ripe for use in any manner that the creator(s) see fit, since self-evident fiction is not an "advertisement" for anything.
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Also while I know horrors of war is a bit of a Gundam theme it seems like they are going out of their way to make child warriors seem heroic not tragic... It should stay tragic when used, these kids will never know the joys of childhood.
Again, I haven't seen the series, but I don't think that they're presenting this in terms of "child soldiers are/can be heroes." Rather, I think that this is simply an issue of a series wanting to have protagonists in an action/adventure series that just happen to be young. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, since there's no moral duty that self-evident fiction maintain fidelity to reality, nor try to advance the public morals.
I feel the need to express my disappointment in a couple things in Gundam Iron Blodded Orphans. First was their unnecessary advertisement for polygamy. This isn't something that should be painted as wonderful. Also while I know horrors of war is a bit of a Gundam theme it seems like they are going out of their way to make child warriors seem heroic not tragic... It should stay tragic when used, these kids will never know the joys of childhood.
I'm not sure about the polygamy(haven't got up to that yet but oh man am I gonna start watching more eps!), but the war these kids go through is shown to be pretty freaking awful, with friends being buried regularly. The poor kid mourning for his friend who died(and horribly, at that) said he was going to smoosh his face into the largest boobs he could find said he was doing it for his friend, who was always curious about them(read: horny). That's the closest thing to sexual innuendo that refers to polygamy I've seen so far.
Freehold you will be disappointed too... not for the same reasons I was. I know how much you love fanservice and there isn't any to be found here. No it's just a couple episodes where they portray polygamy as this amazing situation. Well no. Even the apostles of Lord Jesus said during an age when it was not only legal but globally accepted; they said polygamy is a horribly unfair and unequal situation to place women in. So they started the ban on polygamy for good reason.
I feel I should elaborate more on the child soldier disappointment. It isn't new to Gundam to use children as warriors. But this show seems to take it to a whole new level. The whole platoon is child warriors... sticking it to their elders. But every time some adult reacts with horror to the child soldier situation they are downright dismissive of the sorrow. I guess that is the part that rubs me wrong... don't be so dismissive. Let the horror of what these kids have had to endure sink in. People should be horrified by it.
Polygamy can be awful. Some like it. What it does do, however, is that it reduces childbirth. To maximize that, you need monogamy. For the jews and early christians, lower birth rate was terribad. Other perspectives will be different.
What it does do, however, is that it reduces childbirth. To maximize that, you need monogamy.
Citation needed here. My understanding is that, in a polygamous (specifically polygynous) relationship, the number of births per woman is reduced, but this doesn't speak to the number of births overall, since the total number of children had by men in such relationships is unsurprisingly much higher.
In this regard, polygamy is bad for women from an evolutionary biological standpoint, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that overall birthrates have dropped.
What it does do, however, is that it reduces childbirth. To maximize that, you need monogamy.
Citation needed here. My understanding is that, in a polygamous (specifically polygynous) relationship, the number of births per woman is reduced, but this doesn't speak to the number of births overall, since the total number of children had by men in such relationships is unsurprisingly much higher.
In this regard, polygamy is bad for women from an evolutionary biological standpoint, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that overall birthrates have dropped.
I'm not actually sure how strong the evidence for birthrate dropping is, but I don't think that argument holds. Obviously the births for men in polygynous relationships is likely higher, but that's balanced out by the men who don't wind up with wives at all.
I'm not actually sure how strong the evidence for birthrate dropping is, but I don't think that argument holds. Obviously the births for men in polygynous relationships is likely higher, but that's balanced out by the men who don't wind up with wives at all.
The argument holds insofar as I qualified the statement by saying that it was in reference to polygamous (specifically polygynous) relationships - rather than being true overall - in which the number of children that men have will be much higher. In other words, it was a comparison between men in polygynous relationships as opposed to men in monogamous relationships, rather than the average number of children for all men in a given locale.
I'm not actually sure how strong the evidence for birthrate dropping is, but I don't think that argument holds. Obviously the births for men in polygynous relationships is likely higher, but that's balanced out by the men who don't wind up with wives at all.
The argument holds insofar as I qualified the statement by saying that it was in reference to polygamous (specifically polygynous) relationships - rather than being true overall - in which the number of children that men have will be much higher. In other words, it was a comparison between men in polygynous relationships as opposed to men in monogamous relationships, rather than the average number of children for all men in a given locale.
True, but irrelevant in the context of the post you were replying to. Sissyl certainly seemed to be talking about effects on a societal level with "To maximize that, you need monogamy. For the jews and early christians, lower birth rate was terribad."
Even you said "doesn't necessarily indicate that overall birthrates have dropped", which doesn't make any sense if you're only talking about men in polygynous relationships.
True, but irrelevant in the context of the post you were replying to. Sissyl certainly seemed to be talking about effects on a societal level with "To maximize that, you need monogamy. For the jews and early christians, lower birth rate was terribad."
Even you said "doesn't necessarily indicate that overall birthrates have dropped", which doesn't make any sense if you're only talking about men in polygynous relationships.
The relevance was perfectly obvious, in that it pointed out that Sissyl's assertion was only true within certain contexts, and that, by extension, wasn't necessarily true overall. Hence why, in an instance where polygamy would "reduce childbirth" (as the original assertion claimed), we can demonstrate that that's only the case for a particular group(s) while not being the universal truism that it was presented as.
True, but irrelevant in the context of the post you were replying to. Sissyl certainly seemed to be talking about effects on a societal level with "To maximize that, you need monogamy. For the jews and early christians, lower birth rate was terribad."
Even you said "doesn't necessarily indicate that overall birthrates have dropped", which doesn't make any sense if you're only talking about men in polygynous relationships.
The relevance was perfectly obvious, in that it pointed out that Sissyl's assertion was only true within certain contexts, and that, by extension, wasn't necessarily true overall. Hence why, in an instance where polygamy would "reduce childbirth," (as the original assertion claimed), we can demonstrate that that's only the case for a particular group(s) while not being the universal truism that it was presented as.
Sissyl's assertion was true overall, though not necessarily for all subgroups.
That said, this ain't on topic, so I'll leave it here.
So what's everyone looking forward to this next season?
Kiznaiver looks interesting I've been wanting to see what other original stuff Trigger can come up with since Kill la Kill ended.
Sousei no Onyouji also has a interesting sounding premise
Hundred also looks interesting.
add that to the ongoing series, I think it looks like a good season.
The ones that have the majority of my attention are
Ushio and Tora
Jojo: Diamond is unbreakable
Hero Academia
Sailor Moon: Death Busters
Sousei no Onmyouji
Bungou Stray Dogs
Koutetsujou no Kabaneri
Kiznaiver
but I'm certainly going to try and check out everything, cause you never know. Might get another surprise like Konobusa
So what's everyone looking forward to this next season?
Kiznaiver looks interesting I've been wanting to see what other original stuff Trigger can come up with since Kill la Kill ended.
Sousei no Onyouji also has a interesting sounding premise
Hundred also looks interesting.
add that to the ongoing series, I think it looks like a good season.
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond Is Unbreakable is probably going to be the best show next season. Bungou Stray Dogs and Boku No Hero Academia are both going to look like garbage. Studio BONES is at their best when they only do one show a year. Doing three in one season is probably an awful idea, especially when Concrete Revolutio is going to get the lion's share of their attention. I'll be watching Hundred, but only because Production IMS's light novel adaptations generally have pretty good people working on them. I'm guardedly optimistic about Kiznaiver given that the description doesn't give any indication of what it's actually about. And I'm kind of interested how P.A. Works will suddenly reveal that Kuromukuro is a mech show (I know the list says it's a mech show, but the mecha are always a surprise in P.A. Works shows).
Now, for Koutetsujou no Kabeneri. This show is being written by the same guy who wrote the screenplays for Code Geass, and Valvrave, and Guilty Crown. It's going to be a colossal trainwreck. I can't wait to drop this show every week.
I understand that anime is not for everyone and honestly even individual shows are not for everyone. But hopefully these lists of people's favorites will help you find something you do like.
Angel Beats- literally has made every person i know who finished it ball like a baby.
Ghost in the Shell- Really cool characters and deeply mental questioning
Black Lagoon- Fun, Lots of Action, more than a little disturbing...but really good.
Sword Art Online- Has a cool MMO RPG feel, dark and a sad
Cowboy Bebop- Just really love this one. The art is awesome. Kinda defines space cowboy genre for me.
Flying Witch is a subdued, pleasant slice-of-life story about a girl learning to be a witch. I like the manga so will be watching the show. Nothing else seems particularly interesting based on the blurbs.
I watched half of Your Lie in April on Netflix last night. In a lot of ways it reminds me of a sports anime with classical music. In other ways its reminding me of My Girl. I'm looking forward to watching more tonight.
Beyond that, not much. The show about people who apart to be one thing but are really the opposite is interesting in a "this show is gonna make a lot of hentai doujinshi" way.
What it does do, however, is that it reduces childbirth. To maximize that, you need monogamy.
Citation needed here. My understanding is that, in a polygamous (specifically polygynous) relationship, the number of births per woman is reduced, but this doesn't speak to the number of births overall, since the total number of children had by men in such relationships is unsurprisingly much higher.
In this regard, polygamy is bad for women from an evolutionary biological standpoint, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that overall birthrates have dropped.
Soooo... The women give birth to fewer children, but this is more than compensated for by the ones popped out by the men?
Childbirth rates are always only counted in births per woman, as far as I can tell. That drops, there are fewer children born.
