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![Chief Sootscale](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9031-Kobold.jpg)
Alright, little bit of confusion here. It says under trapfinding that you have to have it to DISARM magic traps, it says nothing about finding them. Yet in several other places, it infers you need to have trapfinding in order to FIND the traps, such as in the 'note' under the spice growth spell...
"Note: Magic traps are hard to detect. A rogue (only) can use the Perception skill to find a spike growth. The DC is 25 + spell level, or DC 28 for spike growth (or DC 27 for spike growth cast by a ranger). Spike growth can't be disabled with the Disable Device skill."
So, I'm a little confused. Can someone with Disable Device but no trapfinding find magic traps?
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Glutton |
![Kirhosk](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF22-11.jpg)
Yes. If that text is in spike growth it is probably legacy text from 3.5, please check an errata to see if they removed it. Traps in the rules state:
Magic: Many spells can be used to create dangerous traps. Unless the spell or item description states otherwise, assume the following to be true.
A successful Perception check (DC 25 + spell level) detects a magic trap before it goes off.
Magic traps permit a saving throw in order to avoid the effect (DC 10 + spell level × 1.5).
Magic traps may be disarmed by a character with the trapfinding class feature with a successful Disable Device skill check (DC 25 + spell level). Other characters have no chance to disarm a magic trap with a Disable Device check.
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blahpers |
![Squealy Nord](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9500-5-SquealyNord.jpg)
Seems like the text in Magic says "here's how to do it if the spell doesn't say otherwise". Spike Growth says otherwise. Ergo, use the spike growth rules. . . .
Anyway, that's RAW. RAI, I would amend the "rogue (only)" to "character with the Trapfinding feature", though, the way explosive runes was updated. I'm not certain about the spike growth undetectability; other magic traps like symbol of death don't have that caveat. FAQ seems reasonable.
Either way, Disable Device is irrelevant for spike growth, as it has nothing to do with finding the trap.