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Our friends at WizKids announced some of the Runelords set specs to retailers in their GAMA Trade Show presentation this week, and I'd like to pass them on to you. We still don't have *quite* enough info to put up an actual product page, but I'd hope we have it all in place by next week.
The 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set will be released in August.
It will be sold in 4-figure Booster Packs and individual Huge Packs.
(I *believe* that Booster Packs will contain either 1 Large and 3 Mediums -or- 1 Large, 2 Mediums, and 2 Smalls, but I'm not 100% certain on that at this time.) MSRP for a Booster Pack is $14.99.
I'm not sure of the exact number of boosters per case just yet, but a case of boosters will usually contain a complete set of Small, Medium, and Larges, just like Heroes & Monsters did.
Individual Huge Packs will contain one of four different Huge minis. These will be shipped to retailers in cases of four, with one of each figure in each case. (That is to say, if you buy a case of four Huge Packs, you'll get one of each of the minis.)
The Gargantuan Rune Giant Figure will be an incentive tied to the Booster Pack case; it will work much the same way as the Huge Black Dragon did for Heroes & Monsters.
Pathfinder Battles case subscribers will get a case of Booster Packs *and* a case of Huge Packs, with the guaranteed opportunity to buy the Gargantuan Rune Giant at a 75% discount. (If you subscribe with a quantity of two, you'll get two cases of Booster Packs, two cases of Huge Packs, and the guaranteed opportunity to buy two Gargantuan Rune Giants at a 75% discount.)
WizKids also showed photos of two minis that haven't yet been announced on our blog: the Rune Giant and Karzoug. I'm sure Erik will blog them soon!
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I'm not sure of the exact number of boosters per case just yet, but a case of boosters will usually contain a complete set of Small, Medium, and Larges, just like Heroes & Monsters did.
More info on that point: In order to keep the number of boosters per case down to a reasonable level, a little less than 7% of cases will likely contain all but one figure from the set, while a little more than 93% of cases should contain a full set. It's not quite as good a completion rate as Heroes & Monsters, but still, the cost of some completists having to pick up one figure on the secondary market should be much less than the cost of the extra boosters that would have been required to increase the level of completion as high as it was for H&M.
Meh, the way my dice have been rolling lately, I'm all but guaranteed to be in the bottom 7%. :P
What was the completion rate for Heroes and Monsters. Any word on the possible common, uncommon, or rare spread yet?
Aren't Rune Giants Gargantuan though?
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What was the completion rate for Heroes and Monsters. Any word on the possible common, uncommon, or rare spread yet?
I don't know what the *actual* rate was, but the *goal* for H&M was nearly 100%. As for the spread, I don't think WizKids really likes to talk about that beforehand, because things change in production.
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So any idea of the pricing on the huges, individual or case?I'm guessing that that is what Vic is waiting on before putting up the page. Certainly the price of the case will depend on the number of boosters, which Vic mentioned above he didn't know yet.
Yeah, I'm waiting on all of that, plus we also need estimated shipping dimensions and weights. Because folks are traveling from GAMA, I don't expect to have all of the information I need until the middle of next week at the earliest.
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I think they refer to all their oversized minis as collosal, regardless of actual size. take a look at the heroclix colossals, they really vary greatly in size. The rune giant looked gargantuan rather than colossal
Yep—that's something we need to retrain WizKids on for this line. The Rune Giant is actually Gargantuan, with a 4-inch diameter base. I've edited my initial post.
I think they refer to all their oversized minis as collosal, regardless of actual size. take a look at the heroclix colossals, they really vary greatly in size. The rune giant looked gargantuan rather than colossalYep—that's something we need to retrain WizKids on for this line. The Rune Giant is actually Gargantuan, with a 4-inch diameter base. I've edited my initial post.
Cool, not that I wouldn't buy a Colossal Rune Giant, but it wouldn't have been an accurate representation. ;)
Sounds terrific. I think the two types of case is a good solution.
Just to ensure I understand things - you said the rune giant incentive will be "tied to the booster pack case" but I presume that's more relevant to retailers than to those of us who buy through you, correct? That you're utilizing that as a subscriber bonus for those who get both cases?
If I get three cases booster packs and two cases of huge packs (via two subscriptions and a preordered booster pack case) I'll only be entitled to buy two rune giants (at 75% off), correct?
If I get three cases booster packs and two cases of huge packs (via two subscriptions and a preordered booster pack case) I'll only be entitled to buy two rune giants (at 75% off), correct?
Yes. You'll still be able to order a third rune giant to go with the separately preordered booster case, but at full price.
I see. Thanks, that gives me some pondering to do.
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Just to ensure I understand things - you said the rune giant incentive will be "tied to the booster pack case" but I presume that's more relevant to retailers than to those of us who buy through you, correct?
It's relevant to paizo.com buyers because, like the Huge Black Dragon for Heroes & Monsters, customers without Pathfinder Battles subscriptions will need to preorder a case of RotR Booster Packs, probably prior to some specific date, in order to be able to preorder a Rune Giant. Preordering a case of RotR Huge Packs does not offer the same privilege.
Any word on the cost of the huge boosters, someone posted a price of $24.99 on another thread?
Wait so when I subscribe for a case and a premium I will only get regular boosters and not a mixture? Cause I have it set at 3 cases and 3 premiums and I'd get 0 huges?
Edit: Nevermind I just realized my reading comprehension has slipped since high school 10 years ago (God I'm old)
Just to ensure I understand things - you said the rune giant incentive will be "tied to the booster pack case" but I presume that's more relevant to retailers than to those of us who buy through you, correct?It's relevant to paizo.com buyers because, like the Huge Black Dragon for Heroes & Monsters, customers without Pathfinder Battles subscriptions will need to preorder a case of RotR Booster Packs, probably prior to some specific date, in order to be able to preorder a Rune Giant. Preordering a case of RotR Huge Packs does not offer the same privilege.
Cheers. I didn't fully understand - I didn't realize a full price rune giant with a case of boosters was an option.
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Any word on the cost of the huge boosters, someone posted a price of $24.99 on another thread?
I do not have confidence in that figure at this time. (I'm aware that one of the slides WizKids showed had that price on it, but remember that this was a presentation for retailers, and so not all of the prices discussed there are necessarily retail prices. If you've seen those slides, you'll note that the Booster Packs are labeled "MSRP," while that price is not.)
Ahh, seemed a little high, with the Huge black dragon being only 15, here's hoping it comes down some.
Yeah, I'm waiting on all of that, plus we also need estimated shipping dimensions and weights. Because folks are traveling from GAMA, I don't expect to have all of the information I need until the middle of next week at the earliest.
Thank you very much for sharing what information you have, when you have it. It basically helps keep the excitement and enthusiasm going.
That said, this post has been percolating in the back of my mind for days and I can't contain the response that's been boiling over. There are these things... some of which are called Blackberry. Some have other names starting with narcissistic vowels and ending in Phone. Some aren't as full-featured and are tethered to walls by wire. Then there are these other things called Internet Kiosks. There's this stuff called WIFI and I hear hotels now have more of that than cockroaches. Tablets and laptops and WebTV oh my.
It's just... unfathomable that some business folks are incommunicado for the better part of a week because they're traveling. Where? Deep behind enemy lines? Out-of-body astral projection? To fix one of the Voyager probes?
Anyway, I'm not looking for a reply. A capacitor in my head burst and discharged, so I had to post this to let the thought out because the core premise just doesn't jive with my experience of business types in the year 2012.
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Yeah, I'm waiting on all of that, plus we also need estimated shipping dimensions and weights. Because folks are traveling from GAMA, I don't expect to have all of the information I need until the middle of next week at the earliest.Thank you very much for sharing what information you have, when you have it. It basically helps keep the excitement and enthusiasm going.
That said, this post has been percolating in the back of my mind for days and I can't contain the response that's been boiling over. There are these things... some of which are called Blackberry. Some have other names starting with narcissistic vowels and ending in Phone. Some aren't as full-featured and are tethered to walls by wire. Then there are these other things called Internet Kiosks. There's this stuff called WIFI and I hear hotels now have more of that than cockroaches. Tablets and laptops and WebTV oh my.
It's just... unfathomable that some business folks are incommunicado for the better part of a week because they're traveling. Where? Deep behind enemy lines? Out-of-body astral projection? To fix one of the Voyager probes?
Anyway, I'm not looking for a reply. A capacitor in my head burst and discharged, so I had to post this to let the thought out because the core premise just doesn't jive with my experience of business types in the year 2012.
I'm not Vic, but I have travelled for work before. It's not an issue of lack of communication abilities (as evidenced by the reporting of the details announced at GAMA), but it has more to do with being busy WORKING while travelling, 100% on the purpose of the trip. Once they're back from their trip, then they'll have time to devote to nailing down the last details and annoucning them.
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That said, this post has been percolating in the back of my mind for days and I can't contain the response that's been boiling over. There are these things... some of which are called Blackberry. Some have other names starting with narcissistic vowels and ending in Phone. Some aren't as full-featured and are tethered to walls by wire. Then there are these other things called Internet Kiosks. There's this stuff called WIFI and I hear hotels now have more of that than cockroaches. Tablets and laptops and WebTV oh my.
It's just... unfathomable that some business folks are incommunicado for the better part of a week because they're traveling. Where? Deep behind enemy lines? Out-of-body astral projection? To fix one of the Voyager probes?
Actually, it was this crazy idea called a vacation that Erik took. Yeah, I know. Weird. He actually had his girlfriend fly down to Vegas and spend a long weekend with him having fun. Can't understand that. And to not check in constantly on his work email while on this thing called a vacation? Insanity.
I know when I do his review in a few weeks, we will have to talk about priorities. Priorities, priorities, priorities. Sigh.
I just hope that we have a chance to do his review before I go on...
-Lisa
Actually, it was this crazy idea called a vacation that Erik took. Yeah, I know. Weird. He actually had his girlfriend fly down to Vegas and spend a long weekend with him having fun. Can't understand that. And to not check in constantly on his work email while on this thing called a vacation? Insanity.
I know when I do his review in a few weeks, we will have to talk about priorities. Priorities, priorities, priorities. Sigh.
I just hope that we have a chance to do his review before I go on...
Va-whattion? Seventeen years I've worked here and I've had in the realm of 30 days off that weren't statutory holidays. Including a week off for my honeymoon. And a week off for my 5-year anniversary. Just saying... I'm mentally ill.
Anyway, thanks for taking my post in the light it was meant. (Not critical.) I thought Vic was talking about WizKids folk traveling being the hold-up on information like "how much will this weigh", not Eric.
So hey. Kudos for Mr. Mona figuring out how to be an unproductive slacker. <Grin> Not a talent I've been able to grasp.
Pathfinder Battles case subscribers will get a case of Booster Packs *and* a case of Huge Packs, with the guaranteed opportunity to buy the Gargantuan Rune Giant at a 75% discount. (If you subscribe with a quantity of two, you'll get two cases of Booster Packs, two cases of Huge Packs, and the guaranteed opportunity to buy two Gargantuan Rune Giants at a 75% discount.)
woot!
Though I am slightly disappointed that the rune giant isn't colossal (though why it would be - darned if I know). I need more colossal minis ... I'm tired of shopping at Toys 'R Us for my epic game :)
WizKids also showed photos of two minis that haven't yet been announced on our blog: the Rune Giant and Karzoug. I'm sure Erik will blog them soon!
Are these pictures available online anywhere?
Wishfull thinking
Kor: there are some bad scans on plasticrypt.
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I do have some more info (still not quite everything we need to create full product listings, though):
Standard Booster Packs will contain 4 figures: 1 will be Large and 3 will be either Medium or Small.
Standard Booster Bricks will contain 8 Standard Booster Packs, for a total of 32 minis (8 Large and 24 Medium or Small). There should be no duplication within a brick.
Standard Booster Cases will contain 4 bricks, for a total of 128 minis (32 Large and 96 Medium or Small). *Most* cases will contain a complete set of all 60 Large, Medium, and Small figures.
Note that, counting the Gargantuan Rune Giant, there are really 65 figures in the set: 60 are Large, Medium, or Small; 4 are Huge.
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Standard Booster Bricks will contain 8 Standard Booster Packs, for a total of 32 minis (8 Large and 24 Medium or Small). There should be no duplication within a brick.
Standard Booster Cases will contain 4 bricks, for a total of 128 minis (32 Large and 96 Medium or Small). *Most* cases will contain a complete set of all 60 Large, Medium, and Small figure
Ouch...so $480 for the standard case, before adding in the huges and the chaser.
There'll probably be some kind of discount for buying in bulk (I'd assume, anyhow). I'd be surprised if a brick's cost was as much as that of 8 boosters and if a case cost the same as 4 bricks.
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There'll probably be some kind of discount for buying in bulk (I'd assume, anyhow). I'd be surprised if a brick's cost was as much as that of 8 boosters and if a case cost the same as 4 bricks.
Nope. No discount in bulk. Only discount is the 75% off the chaser and the regular 15% Pathfinder Advantage discount if you are a Adventure Path subscriber (and I believe free shipping for orders over $100). So very likely looking at right around $600 for a standard case, huge case, and the rune giant chaser ($510 with Pathfinder Advantage).
There'll probably be some kind of discount for buying in bulk (I'd assume, anyhow). I'd be surprised if a brick's cost was as much as that of 8 boosters and if a case cost the same as 4 bricks.Nope. No discount in bulk. Only discount is the 75% off the chaser and the regular 15% Pathfinder Advantage discount if you are a Adventure Path subscriber (and I believe free shipping for orders over $100). So very likely looking at right around $600 for a standard case, huge case, and the rune giant chaser ($510 with Pathfinder Advantage).
Really? Where did you see that? I had presumed it would be like Heroes and Monsters. :(
Still decent value, but I better increase my monthly gift voucher purchase...
Vic's original post mentions that the MSRP of a standard booster pack is $14.99. I havent seen anything else. If it's anything like Heroes and Monsters, I think a case was roughly 85% the cost of buying the boosters individually (prior to any paizo discounting).
EDIT: There was also mention that the huge booster might be $24.99 but that hasnt been confirmed as anything official yet.
Kor: there are some bad scans on plasticrypt.
Thanks. And thanks for plasticrypt for posting the source. I grabbed some images and tried to clean them up a little.
Kor: there are some bad scans on plasticrypt.
Thanks. And thanks for plasticrypt for posting the source. I grabbed some images and tried to clean them up a little.
Nice work.
Can I ask how you decide on the order in which you list the minis? It's no big deal, but could I suggest you list them in order of sizes? I know you write it above the mini anyhow, but if there isnt any determining factor it might provide a useful overview if the smalls and huges were all grouped together.
(In this set in particular, since one may be considering specifically buying a set of the four huge minis).
EDIT: Oh, I see - it's date order. Still, grouping them by size might be something to consider.
Nice work.
Can I ask how you decide on the order in which you list the minis? It's no big deal, but could I suggest you list them in order of sizes? I know you write it above the mini anyhow, but if there isnt any determining factor it might provide a useful overview if the smalls and huges were all grouped together.
(In this set in particular, since one may be considering specifically buying a set of the four huge minis).
EDIT: Oh, I see - it's date order. Still, grouping them by size might be something to consider.
What I did with H&M release, is similar to this, I just posted them as they were announced. This way, people can generally tell which are the new ones by just scrolling down to the bottom images. Once all the minis have been announced, I then sort them in the same order that Paizo orders them, which is a numerical order which is sorted by rarity.
I just use a bunch of nested tables and HTML code to pull off the gallery, so moving images around really isn't that easy. I would like to group them by rarity as they are announced, but then I would constantly be copying and pasting code around. Because of this I just wait until the final release.
Yeah, no worries. Like I said, it's no big deal (and I'm relatively clueless about how such things work).
Your site is terrific as is - it was just a passing thought. :)
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Vic's original post mentions that the MSRP of a standard booster pack is $14.99. I havent seen anything else. If it's anything like Heroes and Monsters, I think a case was roughly 85% the cost of buying the boosters individually (prior to any paizo discounting).
EDIT: There was also mention that the huge booster might be $24.99 but that hasnt been confirmed as anything official yet.
Hrm...looking back at the prices for H&m it does look like they were discounted, but not sure by how much.
Shrug. A H&M case worked out to a little less than $3 per mini. At that point, we're looking at less than $400 for a case. Then the Huges, then the promo. I suspect the better part of $500 in the end. Still within my purchasing reach, but marginally. Still, nobody's holding a gun to my head.
Thanks for the info Vic.
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I went back and played with the prices that H&M were offered, and here's my guesses at what Paizo's prices will be for the Standard Bricks and Cases:
Standard Booster Brick (8 boosters @ $14.99) - MSRP $119.92, Paizo $109.99
Standard Booster Case (4 bricks) - MSRP $479.68, Paizo $404.99
I calculated the rough discounts applied to the H&M sets and applied them to the prices for RotRL boxes, rounding to the nearest 4.99 or 9.99. Of course there is plenty of other things to affect this and the discounts Paizo offered on the previous set may not be doable for this one.
Shrug. A H&M case worked out to a little less than $3 per mini. At that point, we're looking at less than $400 for a case. Then the Huges, then the promo. I suspect the better part of $500 in the end. Still within my purchasing reach, but marginally. Still, nobody's holding a gun to my head.
Thanks for the info Vic.
Presumably, the number of larges and presence of huge minis will increase the per mini price somewhat.
I still think its good value, but it's certainly going to be a hit (especially for those with multiple subscriptions).
Will smalls still be two for 1 medium or is that gone, I really liked that with the last set
Sounds like it's just four figures per standard booster with no adjustment based on size.
