I guess I would be more impressed if the men were less often bulging masses of meat and I dunno more sexy. I mean, I guess those guys should get their share of attention, but where's all my sexy eye candy hiding?
What exactly are you looking for?
A man who's suave and strong. You know without the overbearing muscles but more than the lanky bards or wizards often depicted. Seltyiel would be awesome if he weren't so emo. There aren't enough clean but masculine men depicted in the sword and sorcery artwork, especially some that show off a tight but athletic body. If you ever get someone that would fit the build they're covered in armor an usually a Paladin and usually chaste as a monk, and if not chaste they usually end up being full of themself. It's like there is no middle ground for men, they're almost all the extreme all the time. =/
A man who's suave and strong. You know without the overbearing muscles but more than the lanky bards or wizards often depicted. Seltyiel would be awesome if he weren't so emo. There aren't enough clean but masculine men depicted in the sword and sorcery artwork, especially some that show off a tight but athletic body. If you ever get someone that would fit the build they're covered in armor an usually a Paladin and usually chaste as a monk, and if not chaste they usually end up being full of themself. It's like there is no middle ground for men, they're almost all the extreme all the time. =/
Not the same genre, but you should totally watch Children of Men; he's SUAVE.
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A chainmail bikini doesn't offer protection. I would imagine it's also very uncomfortable (and that might affect mobility just like wearing lots of armour might). It doesn't cover vital organs. If a character wants to wear a bikini (or a loin cloth, or just a few strips of leather to be decent and stop the boobs from bouncing around while you beat stuff up), then fine, but don't pretend that it offers any real AC benefit. Because of the amount of cleavage that generally shows when wearing a chainmail bikini, it's arguable that even the breasts are adequately protected!
Now, if you got your chainmail bikini enchanted, the magic would add to AC the same way a ring of protection or an amulet of natural armour or bracers of armour or armour-adding spells might. There would be no AC benefit from the actual chainmail itself, however, because it just isn't covering enough of the body to matter.
Anyone seen Women Fighters in Reasonable Armour? There's some boobplate, which is a bit rage-inducing because it's not realistic, but at least boobplate protects.
There is a place for an armoured kilt in my fantasy (even if it's, as some are saying, not a Real Thing), because I can see an actual benefit to it. It protects the legs and groin, and offers really good mobility. It's practical.
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A chainmail bikini doesn't offer protection. I would imagine it's also very uncomfortable (and that might affect mobility just like wearing lots of armour might).
Regarding comfort issues when wearing chainmail bikinis: I've been told by women who have worn them, that it depends on how well (and how well-fitted) it was made. They can be every bit as comfortable as most cloth bikinis are, say my informants, or if poorly made and/or not fitting well, they can be quite torturous.
However, the point that it offers no (significant) protection-- yeah, there is no reasonable argument that can refute that.
My point about about Children of Men was, Clive Owen has totally crappy shoes thought out the whole movie, and it becomes a plot point. As for the chainmail bikini? Nonfunctional armor is nonfunctional, whether a dude or chick should wear it.
Seriously I can't see how a MAN in armor looks different from a WOMAN in armor.
(We're having this whole conversation already on the kotaku-male-entitlement thread.)
(We're having this whole conversation already on the kotaku-male-entitlement thread.)
Yes, this is a sub-set of that subject.
The chainmail bikini theory of armor states that for armor that emphasizes sex appeal over actual protection, distraction/envy is as much of a factor in the increased protection as the normal deflection of regular armor. The typical horny barbarian, when confronted with a good looking woman wearing a chainmail bikini, is distracted by his own lusty thoughts to the point where his attacks are less effective than usual. For those who prefer the opposite sex from the person wearing the chainmail bikini, feelings of envy and jealousy elicit much the same result.
Mechanics: Chainmail bikinis (and similar "armors") provide the same AC as the regular armor upon which they are based, minus 2 for the reduced coverage. However, they also gain a few benefits: the maximum dexterity bonus increases by 1, the armor check penalty is reduced by 1, and the arcane spell failure chance is decreased by 10%. In addition, the wearer can add a distraction bonus to their AC equal to their Charisma bonus. In the case of a Charisma penalty, this becomes a revulsion penalty (making them easier to hit).
This is incorrect, actually. The distracting part, I mean. A chainmail bikini isn't going to distract an opponent, no matter how much that opponent might be sexually attracted to (or jealous of) the woman wearing it. Wanna make a chainmail bikini distracting in a battle? Paint a face on it.
Eye tracking studies show that a person's gaze is drawn to faces- the eyes and mouth in particular, but especially the eyes. Boobs? Not so much. This phenomenon may be why some cultures often used faces to decorate shields.
Take a look at this image. Be honest: are you staring more at her boobs and hips, or is your gaze constantly being drawn back to the face on her armour?
Finn K: I didn't know that chainmail bikinis could be comfortable. Learn something new every day, I guess.
Well!
Maybe I'm the first to post it, but I can't even fit into chain mail shorts, and all the bikinis are in women's size's, so what, who cares?!
My point about about Children of Men was, Clive Owen has totally crappy shoes thought out the whole movie, and it becomes a plot point. As for the chainmail bikini? Nonfunctional armor is nonfunctional, whether a dude or chick should wear it.
Seriously I can't see how a MAN in armor looks different from a WOMAN in armor.
(We're having this whole conversation already on the kotaku-male-entitlement thread.)
Twas an EXCELLENT movie, and I'm glad that was a major plot point.
Well!
Maybe I'm the first to post it, but I can't even fit into chain mail shorts, and all the bikinis are in women's size's, so what, who cares?!
I've still got a coinmail codpiece debate/bet with a friend. I'm still willing to wear mine and run around a city block in it and nothing else to show my love for chainmail bikinis(although in this case, it was a love of coinmail bikinis that lead to the bet).
"The End. Now go back and actually read the article."
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Take a look at this image. Be honest: are you staring more at her boobs and hips, or is your gaze constantly being drawn back to the face on her armour?
Not going to lie. I went straight to the She-Hulk on the left, and took me a minute to even realize I was suppossed to be looking for a woman in armor on the page somewhere. . .
Hate to derail, but the earlier mention of comfort and such regarding the chainmail bikini reminded me of a good story.
I went to a technical college to become an industrial electrician and one of the instructors was a retired electrician from one of the local steel plants. He shared with us a story of one of the major cutbacks at the plant when it nearly shut down. It seems that a lot of people were not happy about being laid off and decided to leave with as many valuables as possible. One man decided to steal a long steel chain but couldn't fit it in his lunchbox or anywhere else that the gate guards would not see. Finally he decided to wear it under his shirt, wrapping it countless times around his body. Apparently he had no idea just how much kinking of his skin would occur once he began walking out the plant. The results were quite gruesome. :P
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Take a look at this image. Be honest: are you staring more at her boobs and hips, or is your gaze constantly being drawn back to the face on her armour?
The eyes of the face on her armor. Which kind of negates the point, since that's exactly where her boobs are.
Umm, no, the eyes are below her breasts. Doesn't negate my point at all.
If anything, the Chainmail Bikini wouldn't increase the wearer defence, it could decrease her opponent defence (they aren't paying attention to her weapons anymore).
Need Feat version of the GURPS advantage Bullet-Proof Nudity.
I don't see why?
The "chainmail bikini" exists for two, well maybe three, reasons.
So, we just need to accept that there is no logical reason for "bikini armors." That doesn't mean that they shouldn't exist .
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I guess I would be more impressed if the men were less often bulging masses of meat and I dunno more sexy. I mean, I guess those guys should get their share of attention, but where's all my sexy eye candy hiding?
This kind of makes me want to see a thread that's just about what female and gay gamers would like to see in terms of character representation and fanservice, outside the scoope of the current Kotaku-article discussions and their spin-offs.
Particularly before I start placing art orders.... I think I'm on the right track, but then crippling doubts.
Need Feat version of the GURPS advantage Bullet-Proof Nudity.
Wait, That's an advantage now? I thought it was an optional rule.
I guess I would be more impressed if the men were less often bulging masses of meat and I dunno more sexy. I mean, I guess those guys should get their share of attention, but where's all my sexy eye candy hiding?This kind of makes me want to see a thread that's just about what female and gay gamers would like to see in terms of character representation and fanservice, outside the scoope of the current Kotaku-article discussions and their spin-offs.
Particularly before I start placing art orders.... I think I'm on the right track, but then crippling doubts.
Then start such a thread. ;D
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Then start such a thread. ;DI guess I would be more impressed if the men were less often bulging masses of meat and I dunno more sexy. I mean, I guess those guys should get their share of attention, but where's all my sexy eye candy hiding?This kind of makes me want to see a thread that's just about what female and gay gamers would like to see in terms of character representation and fanservice, outside the scoope of the current Kotaku-article discussions and their spin-offs.
Particularly before I start placing art orders.... I think I'm on the right track, but then crippling doubts.
>:(
Fiiiine.... ;)
If you are playing a Callistrian Priestess I doubt you shoud use another type of armor.
The spanish conquerors would have find the magickal enanhed loincloth useful when they were diying from hot inside their full armor in the Amazon. In fact, local amazon warriors used no enchanted loincloths and won several battles. Horse native american and woodland cultures resisted in their territories till the introduction of advanced repeating firearms.
The full plate armor was useful only in cavalry massed battles versus similar armored knights. Lightly or no armored infantry defeated the armo-red knights in Azincourt. Light mongol and turkish cavalry expulsed the templars from Holy Land and conquered all the Balkans. The heavy armor is only decisive in terms of game mathematics, it's better wear a full plate plus five than a no bonus plus five. It keeps you sure, but a swashbuckler with an heavy armor is totally a stinking concept, ever if your armor bonus is 20 or plus.
Take a look at this image. Be honest: are you staring more at her boobs and hips, or is your gaze constantly being drawn back to the face on her armour?Not going to lie. I went straight to the She-Hulk on the left, and took me a minute to even realize I was suppossed to be looking for a woman in armor on the page somewhere. . .
Stomach on the armor. I thought she was one of those japanese monsters with a face on their belly, the name of which I forget now.
Umm, no, the eyes are below her breasts. Doesn't negate my point at all.
Too close to call for me. It DOES seem intentional.
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Chainmail bikinis rule so men don't ever apologize for liking them. If your hetero you should like the sight of female flesh. It's both normal and healthy to enjoy the female form so don't let anybody shame you into saying otherwise. Also nobody really cares how much protection it actually provides. It is there simply for your enjoyment good Sirs. Remember, you can never lose the argument you never have. NEVER APOLOGIZE it only shows weakness. Your apology will never be accepted and you've done nothing wrong. That said bring on the bikinis.
I disagree with some of what you said, but I find the apologies never being accepted part to be quite interesting, and true to an extent. Some people will never be happy with something that works for others. It's a funky spectrum.
I'd like to point out that the rules I posted previously are just as good for males wearing chainmail banana hammocks as they are for females wearing chainmail bikinis, thus the parenthetical "and similar 'armors'".
I am perfectly willing to wear one of those.
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This kind of makes me want to see a thread that's just about what female and gay gamers would like to see in terms of character representation and fanservice, outside the scoope of the current Kotaku-article discussions and their spin-offs.
Well, I'm certainly looking forward to finding out what turns Mikaze on...<wink>
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So am I. I picked this avatar because I like naked women with swords.
Eyeballs = nipples.
O_o Where'd you learn female anatomy? The nipples are on the fullest part of the breast. You can see some sideboob, and if you follow that curve, you'll notice that it's above the eyeballs. Furthermore, the eyes on the armour are pressed in, which will push her breasts up a bit. The fact that her breasts are pressed together also indicates that the armour is forcing them into places they wouldn't fall naturally. The nipples are behind the eyebrow ridges, and the eyeballs are clearly below the breasts.
Like I said before, if someone wants to wear a bikini or a banana hammock or do battle while stark effing naked, all the power to ya. The problem is when someone wears a bikini or hammock and pretends it offers actual protection.
As for the "distraction" argument... no. Nobody's gonna be thinking about sex in a life-or-death battle. All that exposed skin just makes it easier to find (and strike) vital organs. Even the infamous Spartans might sometimes soil themselves in battle because it's scary. In fact, I think adrenaline (or a similar hormone released in battle situations) actually shuts a person's sex drive right off. Boobs are not going to distract someone in a battle.
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Take a look at this image. Be honest: are you staring more at her boobs and hips, or is your gaze constantly being drawn back to the face on her armour?
now that I'm finally somewhere where I can see the image
Honest answer: Her face first, particularly her eyes, and then the mouth on the armor.
Something about mouths on torsos.... yikes....
Dude, we're guys... when are we NOT thinking about sex? :P
When we are thinking about food?
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As for the "distraction" argument... no. Nobody's gonna be thinking about sex in a life-or-death battle. All that exposed skin just makes it easier to find (and strike) vital organs. Even the infamous Spartans might sometimes soil themselves in battle because it's scary. In fact, I think adrenaline (or a similar hormone released in battle situations) actually shuts a person's sex drive right off. Boobs are not going to distract someone in a battle.
Hmmm...
I wouldn't say "nobody"-- in fact, since it only takes one case to disprove a "nobody" claim, I think you're better off claiming that very very few people might actually think about sex in a life-or-death battle.
For this, even some anecdotes can dispel the "100%" nature of the claim, so lemme put it this way... I knew a few people in the military, who actually were in some really serious battles in the current stretch of wars, who claim to have thought about sex during the fighting... there's one (not exactly sane) who I'm pretty sure was actually telling the truth (or was just incredibly convincing in the tale-telling; the fact that he'd been in the firefight was backed up by a medal citation).
(not a claim I would or could make myself-- but I really have heard these claims, from persons whose account I'm not going to question)
Dude, we're guys... when are we NOT thinking about sex? :PWhen we are thinking about food?
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.Nah, in this case instead of being a fore-thought it is a back-thought.
Any setting that contains chainmail bikinis but lacks chainmail shorts would severely stretch my limits of verisimilitude.Does it have to be chainmail shorts? Or will chainmail speedos, loincloths, and jockstraps be a good enough substitute? :P
Oooh, chainmail jockstraps!
Yummy -- I mean, doesn't that PINCH?!
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Any setting that contains chainmail bikinis but lacks chainmail shorts would severely stretch my limits of verisimilitude.Does it have to be chainmail shorts? Or will chainmail speedos, loincloths, and jockstraps be a good enough substitute? :POooh, chainmail jockstraps!
Yummy -- I mean, doesn't that PINCH?!
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Fixed it for you. ;D
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This is incorrect, actually. The distracting part, I mean. A chainmail bikini isn't going to distract an opponent, no matter how much that opponent might be sexually attracted to (or jealous of) the woman wearing it. Wanna make a chainmail bikini distracting in a battle? Paint a face on it.
You seem to be under the ludicrous impression that those rules were meant to be an accurate simulation of real life. They're meant to be fun and funny.
Why are you trying to inject accurate simulations of real life into a game where the skinny dude can cower in the rear, chant nonsense, make shadow puppets, and play with owlbear dung; and this results in fire raining down from the sky?