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So, I would love to have a little airborne brigade halfling, and initially I was thinking I'd have to put a level in druid, then the rest in something like crusader or dragoon or both etc, which kinda sucks cuz then my roc won't progress. My logic was, well, crusaders DO have the animal companion class feature, but rocs aren't on their list so the levels won't apply to my existing animal companion. But wait! The animal companion entry on level is phrased thusly:
"Class Level
The character’s druid level. The druid’s class levels stack with levels of any other classes that are entitled to an animal companion for the purpose of determining the companion’s statistics."
It says nothing about that animal companion having to be on the list of the class you're taking, only that animal companion needs to be a class feature it possesses. RAW, it sounds like my roc would treat my cavalier (or paladin or ranger) levels like druid levels (with the appropriate modifiers, like ranger level -3) for determining levels, especially since pretty much every class other than druid and beast master ranger has a very limited list to choose from! Is this correct?
Yes, I'm pretty sure that if you get AC from two classes you merge the lists of allowed animals and can choose from the combined list, while stacking the levels for the abilities. So yes what you plan should work. Not sure its the best idea, I don't really know the cavalier, so no clue if a flying mount is a good idea.
Don't forget the Boon Companion feat which should get rid of the -3 as well...
My interpretation is that they'd stack. But I don't think there's a consensus, even among Paizo employees. Some people think you'd just get two companions.
A cavalier's mount must be a creature he can ride. He usually gets a horse or camel, or some other choices if Small, from his cavalier class. These are two separate matters. If he has an animal companion from another class that is suitable as a mount, he can stack his cavalier levels and cavalier class benefits (combat training and bonus Light Armor Proficiency) with it.
I would say no, since one feature specifically has a list. It would have to be in common with both companion class features. There is always the last sentence in the cavalier entry that says GM approved, so it all ends up being up to who is running your game. It would be like a ranger/druid and having a large cat, it's not on both lists, so you would not add the ranger levels and get one big companion. You would get two smaller ones.
As of right now it states that you stack animal companion levels under the animal companion rules.
Starglim wrote: A cavalier's mount must be a creature he can ride. However, I don't think anyone is suggesting that if a Medium cavalier has Enlarge Person cast on him, then his horse runs away (even though it's now become unrideable).
Starglim: the roc entry does state that it can be used as a mount.
Shar: every other class, excepting one ranger archetype, has a limited animal companion list. This being the case, why would they blanketly state that animal companion levels stack between classes rather than putting the stipulation that their lists must match?
As I see it (or at least, would prefer it work) you gain a companion from your initial list, and anytime another class has an animal companion, it's treated as more levels in whatever class you originally got your companion. That's how this rule reads to me. The problem lies in ambiguous wording; no class has a class feature called "animal companion." It's hunter's bond and mount, and the latter says that it functions like an animal companion, not that it is one. Moreover, the beast rider entry says that when picking your mount, it has to have four legs and no fly speed. It doesn't say that in the main mount entry, of course.
So, RAW, since it functions like an animal companion, and the rule on animal companions says that they stack with other classes that give animal companions, it makes sense that they'd stack. Nowhere in any rule does it mention the companion needing to be in both lists, and nowhere does it ever say you would get more than one companion. Given that the lists are different between pretty much all the classes, that seems like a massive oversight if that was what they intended.
tenieldjo wrote: Starglim: the roc entry does state that it can be used as a mount. I was agreeing with you. I've seen this build more than once in PFS.
Found in the Pathfinder society FAQ:
"As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level. If you’re a Medium PC, your mount must be Large. If you’re a Small PC, your mount must be at least Medium. You may only select a mount from the listed mounts on page 63 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook unless another source grants access to additional creature choices. As a cavalier, you may select a mount from those listed on page 33 of the Advanced Player's Guide. No additional mounts are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play except when granted from another legal source."
A druid's animal companion certainly counts as another legal source. I would say this settles it then!
That's the campaign rule for PFS. A GM could certainly adopt it on the assumption that it's likely to be conservative and well-tested.
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