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Can a creature or character conduct more than one grapple at a time?
Two hands and a pair of legs would suggest to those interested in heroic/MMA encounters that up to three creatures could be grappled by one martial arts type character (namely, a Tetori monk*)
It says that if you can't get two hands free to grapple, you take a -4 so theoretically should you be able to grapple two targets at a -4 to each, and then, a circumstantial -8 for the grapple with the legs?
The trouble to this is that it is a standard action to maintain a grapple, therefore a grappler could only maintain of these grapples, initiating these grabs is accomplished with attacks of opportunity (the Tetori can make AoO while in a grapple). The trouble to this logic is that than creatures like the Grell or quintessential Kraken could only keep one target grappled while they are clearly designed to grapple a whole mess of targets, especially with their "-10 penalty to a grapple check to not also be grappled, unlike the normal -20 penalty to do this".
So either a Tetori monk can grapple upward to 3 targets at once, probably with some gruesome penalties, likely using the sort of make one CMB check against all of the targets' CMDs, ala "Black Tentacles" sort of ruling. Or creatures like the Kraken, clearly designed to multi-grapple, cannot maintain multiple grapples. The Tetori is clearly designed to be the grappling monster type character, but without a clear ruling on these sorts of messes, it's left to contentious house rulings.
*house ruled to avoid the whole missing feats issue
Any input or perspective on this issue would be awesome.
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Just so you know the Tetori has been errated.
Monk: The tetori monk archetype (page 61) has three bonus feats that do not exist: 2nd level—Crushing Embrace; 10th level—Twin Lock; and 18th Level—Backbreaker. What feats should replace those missing feats?
Update: Page 16, change "2nd level—Crushing Embrace" to "2nd level—Stunning Pin"; change "10th level—Twin Lock" to "10th-level—Pinning Knockout"; and change "18th level—Backbreaker" to "18th level—Neckbreaker."
—Stephen Radney-MacFarland, 10/13/11
Can a creature or character conduct more than one grapple at a time?
Two hands and a pair of legs would suggest to those interested in heroic/MMA encounters that up to three creatures could be grappled by one martial arts type character (namely, a Tetori monk*)
It says that if you can't get two hands free to grapple, you take a -4 so theoretically should you be able to grapple two targets at a -4 to each, and then, a circumstantial -8 for the grapple with the legs?
The trouble to this is that it is a standard action to maintain a grapple, therefore a grappler could only maintain of these grapples, initiating these grabs is accomplished with attacks of opportunity (the Tetori can make AoO while in a grapple). The trouble to this logic is that than creatures like the Grell or quintessential Kraken could only keep one target grappled while they are clearly designed to grapple a whole mess of targets, especially with their "-10 penalty to a grapple check to not also be grappled, unlike the normal -20 penalty to do this".
So either a Tetori monk can grapple upward to 3 targets at once, probably with some gruesome penalties, likely using the sort of make one CMB check against all of the targets' CMDs, ala "Black Tentacles" sort of ruling. Or creatures like the Kraken, clearly designed to multi-grapple, cannot maintain multiple grapples. The Tetori is clearly designed to be the grappling monster type character, but without a clear ruling on these sorts of messes, it's left to contentious house rulings.
*house ruled to avoid the whole missing feats issue
Any input or perspective on this issue would be awesome.
It says that if you can't get two hands free to grapple, you take a -4 so theoretically should you be able to grapple two targets at a -4 to each, and then, a circumstantial -8 for the grapple with the legs?
These values seem reasonable. I would look at it similarly as if anyone of us is wrestling a couple of kids. If I am "attacked" by a couple of "kids", I can often grapple them (1 is easy, but maintaining 2 or more is difficult if they put any effort up).
I think this sizes up well from a talented "monk" to two normal creatures.