Hi all, I can't find a right answer for my question.
Catfolk with:
- Cat’s Claws racial trait
- Claw Blades item
- Vicious Claws rogue talent
Rules state:
- Vicious Claws (Ex): A catfolk with this talent uses d8s to roll sneak attack damage instead of d6s, but only when she uses her claws to make the sneak attack. A catfolk rogue must have the cat’s claws racial trait before taking this talent.
- Claw Blades: The blades grant the wearer a +1 enhancement bonus on claw attack rolls with that hand and change the weapon type from a natural weapon to a light slashing weapon. Catfolk with the cat’s claws racial trait are proficient with this weapon. The claw blades can be enhanced like a masterwork weapon for the normal costs. The listed cost of the item is for one set of five claws for one hand.
I don't see anywhere that the Rogue talent needs the Catfolk to use "natural" attack but only "her claws".
And the Claw Blades are always a claw attack that change the type from natural to light slashing weapon (both weapon and talent need only the Cat's Claw racial trait to be used).
So the first question is: can I use attack (and multiple attacks with BAB+6 and so on) with Claw Blades and threat all sneak attacks done with them as d8?
Next question: natural attacks can be secondary attacks. So at level 20 Rogue I can do 3 Claw Blades attacks with one hand with BAB +15/+10/+5 and 2 claw secondary attacks with BAB +10/+10? I think I'm missing something here...
Claw Blades are explicitly no longer a natural weapon, so you should be able to use it with iterative attacks from high BAB.
"Secondary Attack" is a quality of natural weapons/attacks, which Claw Blades are not. The Claw Blades are no different than a dagger for dual wielding purposes.
The Claw Blades are only "claws" for abilities that specifically target or affect "claws".
So, first question is "technically/RAW yes" and the second one is "yes but only if you use 1 claw blades in one "hand" for the 3 attacks and the other "hand" with natural claw for 1 secondary attack with -5 BAB"?
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1. Yes. While the claw attacks are no longer natural attacks, they're still considered attacks that use claws and can benefit from Vicious Claws.
2. TL;DR: Figuring out attacks with one or more sets of claw blades isn't really any different than figuring out attacks with one or more short swords.
Once you're wearing claw blades, they are no longer natural attacks and no longer follow any of the natural attack rules--they work like any other manufactured weapon, and you can't use the natural claws of any hand that is being used to wield another weapon (in this case, the claw blades).
If you wear one set of claw blades for one hand, you can make your full iterative attacks with that hand and make one claw attack with your unbladed hand as a secondary attack (+15/+10/+5 with blades, +10 with natural claws).
If both hands are wearing claw blades, you'll just get the iterative attacks (+15/+10/+5), either all with one hand, all with the other hand, or any combination thereof. If you want more attacks with two sets of claw blades, see the Two-Weapon Fighting feat chain.
1. Yes. While the claw attacks are no longer natural attacks, they're still considered attacks that use claws and can benefit from Vicious Claws.
2. TL;DR: Figuring out attacks with one or more sets of claw blades isn't really any different than figuring out attacks with one or more short swords.
Once you're wearing claw blades, they are no longer natural attacks and no longer follow any of the natural attack rules--they work like any other manufactured weapon, and you can't use the natural claws of any hand that is being used to wield another weapon (in this case, the claw blades).
If you wear one set of claw blades for one hand, you can make your full iterative attacks with that hand and make one claw attack with your unbladed hand as a secondary attack (+15/+10/+5 with blades, +10 with natural claws).
If both hands are wearing claw blades, you'll just get the iterative attacks (+15/+10/+5), either all with one hand, all with the other hand, or any combination thereof. If you want more attacks with two sets of claw blades, see the Two-Weapon Fighting feat chain.
Perfect. Thank you for the plain and clear explanation.
Have a nice day sir :)
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