society rules clarification


GM Discussion

The Exchange 4/5

Already posted on a thread in the rules section. But I want to know how it is being handled in society.

The monk weapons listed in the a PG state in their description that monks are proficient with them adding them to the monk weapon proficiencies. However the monk weapons in the UC do not state whether they are covered under the monks weapon proficiency or if they require the spending of feats to add the proficiency.

In Boise I have a new player using the three sectioned staff on his level one monk out of the UC weapons list. It is a double monk weapon with specials and 1d10 damage. Is this legal without a martial and exotic weapon proficiency?

Shadow Lodge

raylyynsedai wrote:

Already posted on a thread in the rules section. But I want to know how it is being handled in society.

The monk weapons listed in the a PG state in their description that monks are proficient with them adding them to the monk weapon proficiencies. However the monk weapons in the UC do not state whether they are covered under the monks weapon proficiency or if they require the spending of feats to add the proficiency.

In Boise I have a new player using the three sectioned staff on his level one monk out of the UC weapons list. It is a double monk weapon with specials and 1d10 damage. Is this legal without a martial and exotic weapon proficiency?

The "monk" qualifier on a weapon merely permits it to be used as part of a flurry of blows; it does not actually grant proficiency with the weapon... And similarly, while APG specifically grants proficiency in the temple sword and the cestus, there's no such wording in any of the weapon entries in Ultimate Combat

The Exchange 4/5

ArVagor wrote:
The "monk" qualifier on a weapon merely permits it to be used as part of a flurry of blows; it does not actually grant proficiency with the weapon... And similarly, while APG specifically grants proficiency in the temple sword and the cestus, there's no such wording in any of the weapon entries in Ultimate Combat

understood but is this an over site or editing error by piazo or was it done on purpose? I mean, if I make a tien monk why wouldn't I have access to tien monk weapons? I can understand a few being left out but all of them?

RAW you are correct. and i will enforce it that way in the short term. but i would like to see a statement on whether RAW is correct or an errata to fix it.

Liberty's Edge 3/5

Looking for clarification on the Faction missions for seasons 1 and 2. I feel stupid for even asking this as I am sure it is plain and simple, but....

It states in the PFS Guide - Seasons 1 & 2 (Scenarios #29–#56 and #2–01–#2–26): These scenarios all include two faction missions. For characters using the standard advancement track, one of these should be considered the faction mission and the other the success condition for the scenario, maintaining the 2 Prestige Point maximum.

Does this mean that so long as they complete 1 of the faction missions, and they complete the adventure, they get both prestige?

5/5

Baraccus wrote:

Looking for clarification on the Faction missions for seasons 1 and 2. I feel stupid for even asking this as I am sure it is plain and simple, but....

It states in the PFS Guide - Seasons 1 & 2 (Scenarios #29–#56 and #2–01–#2–26): These scenarios all include two faction missions. For characters using the standard advancement track, one of these should be considered the faction mission and the other the success condition for the scenario, maintaining the 2 Prestige Point maximum.

Does this mean that so long as they complete 1 of the faction missions, and they complete the adventure, they get both prestige?

It means that they still need to complete both of the called out faction missions to get both PP. However, one is considered the faction mission PP and one is the successful mission PP. So, in such a case, each of the 5 factions will have a different successful mission requirement.

1/5

clarence garrett wrote:

Already posted on a thread in the rules section. But I want to know how it is being handled in society.

The monk weapons listed in the a PG state in their description that monks are proficient with them adding them to the monk weapon proficiencies. However the monk weapons in the UC do not state whether they are covered under the monks weapon proficiency or if they require the spending of feats to add the proficiency.

In Boise I have a new player using the three sectioned staff on his level one monk out of the UC weapons list. It is a double monk weapon with specials and 1d10 damage. Is this legal without a martial and exotic weapon proficiency?

Oh yes. Finally allowed to make non-shaolin monks with all of the amazing archetypes only to have all monks with the same 15 weapons. And many new weapons in UC have great specials that I can not take advantage of. One of my gripes too.

After reviewing the feats Martial Weapon Proficiency and Exotic Weapon Proficiency from the Core. Exotic Weapon Proficiency is required to use a weapons special abilities. Martial is not. And both remove the penalty for non-proficiency on attack rolls. Since monks do more damage with Unarmed Strikes it makes sense to grab a martial weapon with the special quality you want to make use of... Mechanically. Flavour/story wise it makes very little sense.

It seems like so many other problems the solution is taking one level of fighter. Unarmed Fighter archetype to be more specific.
"An unarmed fighter is proficient with all monk weapons, including exotic monk weapons."
- Ultimate Combat
This is one of the most broken things I have found in Pathfinder. A fighter is proficient with more monk weapons than a monk!?!

That's the work around solution that I have. You also get a free Style Feat. So you have to ask yourself is the weapon of choice worth taking a level dip in your monk?

Personally what I would like to see is Exotic Weapon Proficiency and Martial Weapon Proficiency added to the list of Monk Bonus Feats at level 1. Or allow a monk to select one Exotic and one Martial weapon to add to their list of weapon proficiencies during creation to represent that different orders of monks would focus on different weapons. Putting the final nail in the coffin of the concept that all Monk Adventurers should be of the shaolin variety.

Community / Forums / Organized Play / GM Discussion / society rules clarification All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.
Recent threads in GM Discussion