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I'm curious as to the nature of interaction between Arcane Bond and a gun in PFS.
Example:
Wizard takes Gunsmithing as his first level feat and chooses Arcane Bond (Pistol).
By doing this, does he acquire a masterwork pistol?
I've searched the archives and found this question briefly touched on but haven't found a definitive answer. If one exists, please link me to it. Otherwise, discuss
P.S. I'm aware of the inability to properly use said pistol without the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat (-4 attacks) but since spellslinger is not a viable option I was curious if this was.
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I'm curious as to the nature of interaction between Arcane Bond and a gun in PFS.
Example:
Wizard takes Gunsmithing as his first level feat and chooses Arcane Bond (Pistol).By doing this, does he acquire a masterwork pistol?
I've searched the archives and found this question briefly touched on but haven't found a definitive answer. If one exists, please link me to it. Otherwise, discuss
P.S. I'm aware of the inability to properly use said pistol without the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat (-4 attacks) but since spellslinger is not a viable option I was curious if this was.
Unless PFS comes out differently the the Pathfinder RPG rules, this is a rules question not a PFS Question.
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As gunslingers, guns, and everything related to them are quite touchy in PFS, and I'm asking the question in relation to how it interacts with PFS, one would posit that it does indeed belong in PFS
Before you know how it interacts with PFS you need to know if it works in the rules.
By RAW it seems it does, so there is nothing stoping you from doing it, but there is room for thought on that, so it is best first brought before the people in the rules forum, not here.
And since there is no prohibition against it in PFS, if it works in the rules it works in PFS.
Edit: after thinking about it there is some rules consideration for this in PFS, you most likely will have to get the Gunsmithing Feat at 1st level to do this.
No character may purchase a firearm unless he possesses the Gunsmithing feat
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Well, the PFS rules are already different on guns than the PRPG rules because of the modified version of Gunsmithing from the Additional Resources page:
The following two feats function differently in Pathfinder Society Organized Play than they do in regular games:
Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item. No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats.
There are a couple of other threads where the question of arcane bonding a firearm has been asked, but Mark Moreland has not given an answer yet. On a related topic, he did confirm that someone with the Gunslinging feat can upgrade their starting firearm from normal to masterwork for the standard 300 gold cost.
The handling of arcane bond items and upgrading them in PFS play has been discussed in the forums, though is nowhere in the Guide or FAQ (hint, hint Mark), that they are the exception to the No Magic Crafting rules and can be upgraded without having to have the appropriate feats. Otherwise, Arcane Bonds follow the rules as written in the Core Book. And since by Core Rules, a bonded item is automatically masterwork at no cost, it should work with a gun. One other difference that I think was part of the forum ruling on arcane bond items is that if a wizard decides to change their bonded item, the old item has a resale value of 0 gold if it was the original free bonded item. And if not, it should be the rule considering the high value of masterwork items.
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There are a couple of other threads where the question of arcane bonding a firearm has been asked, but Mark Moreland has not given an answer yet. On a related topic, he did confirm that someone with the Gunslinging feat can upgrade their starting firearm from normal to masterwork for the standard 300 gold cost.
A gunslinger can use the Gunsmithing feat to upgrade her starting gun for the standard 300 gp cost, but other classes taking this feat don't get a free gun along with it, and thus need to either buy a masterwork version or a mundane version.
I've flagged this thread for FAQ review, but likely won't get to it until a few other things with hard deadlines get taken care of.
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As gunslingers, guns, and everything related to them are quite touchy in PFS, and I'm asking the question in relation to how it interacts with PFS, one would posit that it does indeed belong in PFSBefore you know how it interacts with PFS you need to know if it works in the rules.
By RAW it seems it does, so there is nothing stoping you from doing it, but there is room for thought on that, so it is best first brought before the people in the rules forum, not here.
And since there is no prohibition against it in PFS, if it works in the rules it works in PFS.
Edit: after thinking about it there is some rules consideration for this in PFS, you most likely will have to get the Gunsmithing Feat at 1st level to do this.
No character may purchase a firearm unless he possesses the Gunsmithing feat
Ok, let me be more clear.
A) I Know that RAW this will work. That is why I did not post it in the rules forum. This isn't a question about how a rule works. It does work that way according to the Arcane Bond [item] description.
B) My example wizard did indeed take gunsmithing at first level, as I plainly stated in my original post.
C) Ultimate Combat -just- came out. Gunsmithing itself was changed in PATHFINDER SOCIETY, as well as all (or most) archetypes for other classes that would get a gun for free being banned. So it's a hot topic. While currently, under PFS rules, it may indeed be viable, I wanted to ask the question in the Pathfinder Society Forum to be certain that it had not been banned as well.
Seeing as this has been moved to rules questions, I don't see it getting the answer I needed. But thanks anyway.
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C) Ultimate Combat -just- came out. Gunsmithing itself was changed in PATHFINDER SOCIETY, as well as all (or most) archetypes for other classes that would get a gun for free being banned. So it's a hot topic. While currently, under PFS rules, it may indeed be viable, I wanted to ask the question in the Pathfinder Society Forum to be certain that it had not been banned as well.
You should have been more clear on that in your original OP. Your question as posted was asking about the Rule
Wizard takes Gunsmithing as his first level feat and chooses Arcane Bond (Pistol).
By doing this, does he acquire a masterwork pistol?
I've searched the archives and found this question briefly touched on but haven't found a definitive answer. If one exists, please link me to it. Otherwise, discuss
That is a Rule question.
But if you really want to know..
"By RAW a Wizard can select a "Gun" and have it masterwork, Will this change for PFS?"
If that was what you wanted to ask why did you not ask that?
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I'm curious as to the nature of interaction between Arcane Bond and a gun in PFS.
That is the first line in my first post. I'm sorry that is not clear enough for you.
Regardless, Mark was here and flagged it so hopefully it will be addressed soon.
I can only assume that as it stands now, this option is viable.
Well, per your original question:
Example:
Wizard takes Gunsmithing as his first level feat and chooses Arcane Bond (Pistol).By doing this, does he acquire a masterwork pistol?
Mark did give you your answer:
other classes taking this feat don't get a free gun along with it, and thus need to either buy a masterwork version or a mundane version.
And I know the only question remaining about this is whether a wizard can get the free gun if they choose it as an arcane bond item.
Personally, I am leaning towards Mark saying you cannot get a free gun this way. Rather, you will have to take the feat, buy the gun and upgrade it to masterwork, and then make the gun your arcane bond item, replacing your current item.
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Well, per your original question:
Example:
Wizard takes Gunsmithing as his first level feat and chooses Arcane Bond (Pistol).By doing this, does he acquire a masterwork pistol?
Mark did give you your answer:
other classes taking this feat don't get a free gun along with it, and thus need to either buy a masterwork version or a mundane version.And I know the only question remaining about this is whether a wizard can get the free gun if they choose it as an arcane bond item.
Personally, I am leaning towards Mark saying you cannot get a free gun this way. Rather, you will have to take the feat, buy the gun and upgrade it to masterwork, and then make the gun your arcane bond item, replacing your current item.
Let me rephrase the original question.
I'm aware that according to PFS you have to have Gunsmithing to even be able to purchase a gun at all. My example wizard would take Gunsmithing at first level to have the ability to have a gun at all.
By using the arcane bond ability, would he be able to acquire a masterwork pistol (or other pfs legal gun) for free at first level?
To be more clear, I don't actually ever plan to do this. It was simply a hypothetical question. I don't like guns, but I think it's a good discussion to talk about.
I, too, lean towards Mark saying you cannot get a gun in this way, even if you do take gunsmithing. I had scoured the Additional Resources as well as the forums (and archives) but was unable to produce conclusive evidence to the contrary that by the RAW and PFS Guide to Organized Play + Additional Resources this is indeed a viable option.
I'm curious as to the nature of interaction between Arcane Bond and a gun in PFS.
Example:
Wizard takes Gunsmithing as his first level feat and chooses Arcane Bond (Pistol).By doing this, does he acquire a masterwork pistol?
I've searched the archives and found this question briefly touched on but haven't found a definitive answer. If one exists, please link me to it. Otherwise, discuss
P.S. I'm aware of the inability to properly use said pistol without the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat (-4 attacks) but since spellslinger is not a viable option I was curious if this was.
Pretty sure the PFS rules specifically say that only a Gunslinger is even allowed to use a gun.
Thus, you'd have to be a Gunslinger 1/Wizard X to do this in PFS. You would then get a masterwork version of any type of gun for 0 cost. No advanced firearms because they don't exist in PFS.
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Side topic, but don't guns occasionally explode?Only if they misfire, gain the broken condition, you keep using the broken gun, and it misfires again. Then, yes.
I meant only to point out that you'd be combining the power-limit mechanic for guns to your bonded item as well. Broken gun means broken bonded item.
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I meant only to point out that you'd be combining the power-limit mechanic for guns to your bonded item as well. Broken gun means broken bonded item.Side topic, but don't guns occasionally explode?Only if they misfire, gain the broken condition, you keep using the broken gun, and it misfires again. Then, yes.
Mending will fix that, I believe.
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mark only answered the question for other classes. not for a wizard, which gets a masterwork weapon free in PFS at first level.
the question still remains if a 1st level wizard with gunslinger as their first level feat can choose a pistol as his arcane bonded object, gaining the masterwork firearm for free, in PFS.
he'll answer it later.
I've got a Gunslinger 1/Wizard 3. I bypassed this by being a gunslinger so i already had my firearm, and made it my bonded object once i added wizard levels while UC was in beta. The spellslinger class does little to wet my appetite, but a few of the spells available now to wizards with guns are nice.
I flagged this for FAQ consideration and I am bumping it because of the discussion about this in another thread.
Mark and Mike, has any decision been made yet on whether a caster with the bonded item ability can get a free masterwork firearm as their bonded item or do they have to either buy one or get it free from being a gunslinger first?