Summon Monster and Converting Monsters


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Many of the 3.0/3.5 monsters specify that they can be summoned via the various summon monster spells. However, it has been said that Pathfinder intentionally limits the creatures that can be called via summon monster. So when I convert a monster to Pathfinder, how do you handle the statement that is can be summoned via summon monster? Do you ignore that text? Make a specialized spell for that creature?


Frumple wrote:
Many of the 3.0/3.5 monsters specify that they can be summoned via the various summon monster spells. However, it has been said that Pathfinder intentionally limits the creatures that can be called via summon monster. So when I convert a monster to Pathfinder, how do you handle the statement that is can be summoned via summon monster? Do you ignore that text? Make a specialized spell for that creature?

Copy pasting from an older post of mine:

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Each tier and the highest CR available from the rulebook...

Summon Monster I - 1/2

Summon Monster II - 1

Summon Monster III - 2

Summon Monster IV - 4

Summon Monster V - 6

Summon Monster VI - 8

Summon Monster VII - 10

Summon Monster VIII - 11 (I'm rounding this to 12 for consistency)

Summon Monster IX - 14

See the pattern? That's how I add creatures; let's say an outsider has a CR of 5, use Summon Monster V which summons creatures up to CR 6.
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Unofficial, and whatnot, but that's how I handle it. Concerning the limitations, I ignore it and expand the list.


Frumple wrote:
So when I convert a monster to Pathfinder, how do you handle the statement that is can be summoned via summon monster? Do you ignore that text? Make a specialized spell for that creature?

Since you've already ventured into house rules and conversions that is entirely up to you.

First make sure that it's power fits with the appropriate level of the spell. CR is a good place to start but consider how any special abilities might be used or abused.

Here's what I would do. When a wizard graduates from Pigzit's College of Sorcery they can summon the standard list. As a special reward (from an NPC, or mission) they get to add one of these non-standard monsters. This makes it seem special and doesn't suddenly expand the possible types of monsters.


Some call me Tim wrote:
Here's what I would do. When a wizard graduates from Pigzit's College of Sorcery they can summon the standard list. As a special reward (from an NPC, or mission) they get to add one of these non-standard monsters. This makes it seem special and doesn't suddenly expand the possible types of monsters.

+1

Why don't I think of these things?

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