Giant Template: How much +Str?

[Lej]

Link: Giant Template

Using Rebuild Rules on a medium creature (making it large).
How much strength does the creature gain?
+4, +8 or +4+8=+12?

[Black Fang]

Only the +4 as far as I know.

[Hama]

I would give 12...should hope that the devs chime in with the answer... faq-ing

[Are]

+4. When you use the template you're not actually advancing the monster by hit dice, which is what the table is used for.

In the Pathfinder PRD, you can see that the size increase table is listed under the "Adding Racial Hit Dice" header. So, it should only be used when going through that process of increasing size.

[Lej]

Are wrote:

+4. When you use the template you're not actually advancing the monster by hit dice, which is what the table is used for.

In the Pathfinder PRD, you can see that the size increase table is listed under the "Adding Racial Hit Dice" header. So, it should only be used when going through that process of increasing size.

By that logic I should neither use the "Table: Size Bonuses and Penalties" to modify AC/Attack, CMB/CMD, Fly Skill and Stealth Skill when using the template as that table is also listed under the "Adding Racial Hit Dice"?

If so that raises another question. Should I increase the damage dice for natural attacks one size category?

[reefwood]

Lej wrote:

Are wrote:

+4. When you use the template you're not actually advancing the monster by hit dice, which is what the table is used for.

In the Pathfinder PRD, you can see that the size increase table is listed under the "Adding Racial Hit Dice" header. So, it should only be used when going through that process of increasing size.

By that logic I should neither use the "Table: Size Bonuses and Penalties" to modify AC/Attack, CMB/CMD, Fly Skill and Stealth Skill when using the template as that table is also listed under the "Adding Racial Hit Dice"?

If so that raises another question. Should I increase the damage dice for natural attacks one size category?

This question had me confused too, but I think I figured it out.

The first table is titled Size Changes, but the Giant Template provides its own set of changes, so you don't have to worry about these things (size, ability scores, natural armor) because they are all covered by the template. The other table is Size Bonuses and Penalties which means these are the bonuses and penalties you receive for being a particular size.

The first table shows what changes if you go from Medium to Large. The second table shows what all Large creatures get. In the end, they both result in changes, so I can see how this might be hard to follow.

EDIT: And the Giant Template says, "Attacks increase dice rolled by 1 step"