Ivory Tower. *sigh*
My last look at this haterade. Carry on the useless war of words. Won't be any POVs changed/softened here. No surprise there.
beats head against the wall
WWII certainly was not in its entirety a just or justified war. Parts of it were pretty much so, but exactly which parts is not something I feel is useful to discuss. Other parts were unbelievably destructive and utterly inhumane. The typical example is the bombing of Dresden.
War is always a relation between doing enough and not doing too much. If you are too timid, you can prolong the war. If you break too many eggs, the war becomes utterly pointless and a honking nightmare for everyone even tangentially involved when it escalates.
The problem with modern wars is that there is never a clear objective. WWII pretty much had a target in Berlin. Iraq... well, Saddam? Even if it was Saddam, why? Weapons of mass distraction? Note that while nobody believes in those WMDs anymore (google Curveball if you need more information), and Saddam has been hanged, the US is still there, slogging along without definable goals. I am ready to believe anything reasonable regarding those goals, if anyone cares to enlighten me.
Afghanistan. Does anyone know why the US is there? Protect the Afghan women? (That's what the Soviets said back in the 80s too, btw) Kill the talibans? If so, when is the breakthrough going to happen? Everyone is still waiting. Now, America is leaving. Fine, why? What is different in Afghanistan from a year ago? Again, I am willing to be enlightened.
I will quote the Princess Bride again: "Don't get involved in a land war in Asia." If only Bush had listened...
WWII certainly was not in its entirety a just or justified war. Parts of it were pretty much so, but exactly which parts is not something I feel is useful to discuss.
Why do I suspect this is because in that discussion you're going to argue the Americans and British were the oppressors & the Nazis weren't as bad as history depicts them...
Does the US have a perfect track record? Of course not. Does any country in the course of human history? I haven't seen one.
Mistakes made by governments do not provide moral cover or equivocation of horrific actions by other governments or persons.
Bin Laden isn't spared judgement for the deaths of 3000 men, women, and children because of an action the US did decades ago. He's still a mass murderer, plain & simple. If you can't understand that, then you have my pity.
BPorter: Maybe you would suspect that because you don't know me? Or because I don't trust the american government as far as I can throw it, you think I must be a child-eating terrorist nazi terrorist (tm)? No. I can assure you that America did good things during WWII, and so did England. We would all be worse off if they hadn't taken that fight. However, that does not excuse all that was done. Bombing Dresden had no real strategic value, a lot of people died and suffered for what was likely only a desire for revenge.
An eye for an eye tends to leave a lot of blind people. UbL wasn't anything but a despicable example of humanity, but resorting to assassinating people is still a bad practice. If the West stoops to his level to fight him, he has already won.
Stooping to his level would have involved a much more populated area with alot more explosive ordinance...
Stooping to his level would have involved a much more populated area with alot more explosive ordinance...
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Where we at?
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Who did what to whom and why?
Why was whom wrong/right when what was done and when?
Huh?
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Side Note:
I love this -
..the man that motivated much of our younger generation of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines to join the service.
Well, that was kinda handy then.
I guess it'd be trickier explaining the funniez of discussing the jollies o' when paradigms collide.
Not to be an arse n' all but can you see how some folk might seize on such a factor and suggest that maybe, simplify events in our lives in such a manner might be a cause for concern?
Least alone such simplification being used to motivate fellow folk from killing other fellow folk.
Personally, I find it hilarious but those of a more serious mind set might find cause for concern.
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Roll on 300 years - we're all footnotes people. Which font are you?
Roll on 300 years - we're all footnotes people. Which font are you?
Hmmmm {consults 1st ed chart} Why did I have to roll Comic Sans!!! Even Papyrus would've been better. :(
{shakes fist}
I am not an anti-fontite.
I think it is funny that the real reason Osama Dead Laden was finally caught and killed was because he finally ran out of money. One of his wives reports that he was "cash-strapped" in his final days. It must have cost him millions to bride the Pakistan government to hide him, out in the open, and he must have finally went broke. He had 3 wives, and 9 kids at his compound. Well, now it's 8 since the SEALs killed one of his adult sons there on May 1st. They just shot one of his wives in her leg. That was nice of them.
I think it is funny that the real reason Osama Dead Laden was finally caught and killed was because he finally ran out of money. One of his wives reports that he was "cash-strapped" in his final days. It must have cost him millions to bride the Pakistan government to hide him, out in the open, and he must have finally went broke. He had 3 wives, and 9 kids at his compound. Well, now it's 8 since the SEALs killed one of his adult sons there on May 1st. They just shot one of his wives in her leg. That was nice of them.
He married the government of Pakistan?? He should have lots of money then, think of the dowry.
I think it is funny that the real reason Osama Dead Laden was finally caught and killed was because he finally ran out of money. One of his wives reports that he was "cash-strapped" in his final days. It must have cost him millions to bride the Pakistan government to hide him, out in the open, and he must have finally went broke. He had 3 wives, and 9 kids at his compound. Well, now it's 8 since the SEALs killed one of his adult sons there on May 1st. They just shot one of his wives in her leg. That was nice of them.He married the government of Pakistan?? He should have lots of money then, think of the dowry.
Well it could be the that Pakistan had a bride price...which makes more sense since there are so few eligable coutries out there for marriage...
...which makes more sense since there are so few eligable coutries out there for marriage...
Most are either taken or gay.
Wow my coworkers think I am insane now.Only right now, eh?
You should get James Jacobs to certify your sanity as well. That'll show em.
I am not sure JJ would. :)
I am not sure JJ would. :)Wow my coworkers think I am insane now.Only right now, eh?
You should get James Jacobs to certify your sanity as well. That'll show em.
Then fall back on the Sheldon Cooper argument: "I am not insane. My mother had me tested."
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Then fall back on the Sheldon Cooper argument: "I am not insane. My mother had me tested."I am not sure JJ would. :)Wow my coworkers think I am insane now.Only right now, eh?
You should get James Jacobs to certify your sanity as well. That'll show em.
My mother in fact did have me tested. The doctor found she should be on medications.
Taliban and al-Qaida confirm death of bin Laden.
Next UP: Poster on game site claims these groups are in collusion with US government, and are lying about the death of bin Laden.
Yeah, let's try dialing back the crazy a bit please.
Hello? Oh I thought you said "dial the crazy".
ALLEY ALLEY OXEN FREE!!!
NOtice I'm not touching the actual topic of this thread. I wired myself to the electric range socket with jumper cables and the second i start thinking about a conspiracy theory I jack 50 amps through my man bits.
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ALLEY ALLEY OXEN FREE!!!NOtice I'm not touching the actual topic of this thread. I wired myself to the electric range socket with jumper cables and the second i start thinking about a conspiracy theory I jack 50 amps through my man bits.
This explains so much.
This explains so much.ALLEY ALLEY OXEN FREE!!!NOtice I'm not touching the actual topic of this thread. I wired myself to the electric range socket with jumper cables and the second i start thinking about a conspiracy theory I jack 50 amps through my man bits.
I find that it is giving me a fresh new perspective on Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
Also, when I go to prisonplanet.com, for some reason my bowels spontaneously evacuate themselves.
Really?
Just once I'd like to see corporations told to go piss off.
Really?Just once I'd like to see corporations told to go piss off.Yeah, darned evil corporations! Evil Paizo...errrr.....
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When Paizo decides to trademark something like that, or the letter A or the word 'the', they can be included too. The contrasts of both scale and activities between Paizo and Disney are so extreme as to not merit analogy.
It would be like if someone were to reply to a report of a serial killer with "I wish people would get what's coming to them" and you responded with "Yeah, damn people! That evil [insert name of random nice person here]."
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Really?Just once I'd like to see corporations told to go piss off.Yeah, darned evil corporations! Evil Paizo...errrr.....
;)
When Paizo decides to trademark something like that, or the letter A or the word 'the', they can be included too. The contrasts of both scale and activities between Paizo and Disney are so extreme as to not merit analogy.
It would be like if someone were to reply to a report of a serial killer with "I wish people would get what's coming to them" and you responded with "Yeah, damn people! That evil [insert name of random nice person here]."
Dude. That was a joke. Calmate, mi amigo.
Can we consider this 'beating a dead Osama'?
Better him than me.
Dude. That was a joke. Calmate, mi amigo.Really?Just once I'd like to see corporations told to go piss off.Yeah, darned evil corporations! Evil Paizo...errrr.....
;)
When Paizo decides to trademark something like that, or the letter A or the word 'the', they can be included too. The contrasts of both scale and activities between Paizo and Disney are so extreme as to not merit analogy.
It would be like if someone were to reply to a report of a serial killer with "I wish people would get what's coming to them" and you responded with "Yeah, damn people! That evil [insert name of random nice person here]."
You forget to bracket it with irony tags.
You forget to bracket it with irony tags.Dude. That was a joke. Calmate, mi amigo.Really?Just once I'd like to see corporations told to go piss off.Yeah, darned evil corporations! Evil Paizo...errrr.....
;)
When Paizo decides to trademark something like that, or the letter A or the word 'the', they can be included too. The contrasts of both scale and activities between Paizo and Disney are so extreme as to not merit analogy.
It would be like if someone were to reply to a report of a serial killer with "I wish people would get what's coming to them" and you responded with "Yeah, damn people! That evil [insert name of random nice person here]."
Did I sound unduly angry? I'm not. However, I've heard the 'Paizo is a business, they make money' bit tossed around a lot in threads round here. I don't want my ire at Disney to be construed as some anti-logical anti-business rant.
Paizo=people. Disney=serial killer. See? Perfectly logical analogy.
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This explains so much.ALLEY ALLEY OXEN FREE!!!NOtice I'm not touching the actual topic of this thread. I wired myself to the electric range socket with jumper cables and the second i start thinking about a conspiracy theory I jack 50 amps through my man bits.I find that it is giving me a fresh new perspective on Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
Also, when I go to prisonplanet.com, for some reason my bowels spontaneously evacuate themselves.
Who would want to have any perspective on either Rush or Beck? As for Prison planet WTF is that?
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You forget to bracket it with irony tags.Dude. That was a joke. Calmate, mi amigo.Really?Just once I'd like to see corporations told to go piss off.Yeah, darned evil corporations! Evil Paizo...errrr.....
;)
When Paizo decides to trademark something like that, or the letter A or the word 'the', they can be included too. The contrasts of both scale and activities between Paizo and Disney are so extreme as to not merit analogy.
It would be like if someone were to reply to a report of a serial killer with "I wish people would get what's coming to them" and you responded with "Yeah, damn people! That evil [insert name of random nice person here]."
Did I sound unduly angry? I'm not. However, I've heard the 'Paizo is a business, they make money' bit tossed around a lot in threads round here. I don't want my ire at Disney to be construed as some anti-logical anti-business rant.
Paizo=people. Disney=serial killer. See? Perfectly logical analogy.
First, Japan was willing to surrender, just not unconditionally.Second, there was no time for Japan to process what had happened to Hiroshima before the Nagasaki bomb was dropped. Anyone with the power and influence to argue for unconditional surrender had only begun to realize what had happened to Hiroshima by the time Nagasaki was hit.
There sure as hell was not anyone in Japan saying, "Come and get us, white boys!" or anything even remotely like it, after what happened to Tokyo, much less Hiroshima.
From what I've read, which comes from sources which lean heavily to the left (as in communist, not Democrat) so you can easily dismiss if you like, the story goes something like (from memory, not material) this:
The Japanese went to the Soviets, whom they weren't yet at war with, and said that they were willing to surrender on Allied terms except with the Emperor in place. The Americans refused to accept the terms, a-bombed H&N, then accepted their surrender with the reign of the Showa Emperor intact.
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The surrender of Japan brought hostilities in World War II to a close. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy was incapable of conducting operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders at the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War (the "Big Six") were privately making entreaties to the neutral Soviet Union, to mediate peace on terms favorable to the Japanese. The Soviets, meanwhile, were preparing to attack the Japanese, in fulfillment of their promises to the Americans and the British made at the Tehran and Yalta Conferences.
On August 6, the Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Late in the evening of August 8, in accordance with Yalta agreements but in violation of the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan, and soon after midnight on August 9, it invaded the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo. Later that day the Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki. The combined shock of these events caused Emperor Hirohito to intervene and order the Big Six to accept the terms for ending the war that the Allies had set down in the Potsdam Declaration. After several more days of behind-the-scenes negotiations and a failed coup d'état, Hirohito gave a recorded radio address to the nation on August 15. In the radio address, called the Gyokuon-hōsō ("Jewel Voice Broadcast"), he announced the surrender of Japan.
Director of Narrative
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Really?Is that even legal??
What does that matter? It's Disney. If they can't do something, they'll get the laws changed. :)
