Grappling actions

[Riggler]

Grappling: You can start a grapple as a standard action.

So, if you are adjacent to a foe, as a standard action you start the grapple. I was confused about whether you could then do one of the actions listed for after you start a grapple on the same turn.

The flowcharts as d20srd indicate that you cannot do a grapple action on the same round as starting a grapple.

Can someone please clarify this rule and the RAW reasoning? Thanks.

[Tom Baumbach]

If you're having trouble understanding grapple, may I suggest this article detailing some things about how it works.

In answer to your question: Those grapple actions (graptions!) only occur when you maintain a grapple, and they are a free part of the check to maintain a grapple. (There is also strong indication that you can only do those actions once per round, even if you are able to "maintain" your grapple more than once per round.)

[Riggler]

Tom Baumbach wrote:

If you're having trouble understanding grapple, may I suggest this article detailing some things about how it works.

In answer to your question: Those grapple actions (graptions!) only occur when you maintain a grapple, and they are a free part of the check to maintain a grapple. (There is also strong indication that you can only do those actions once per round, even if you are able to "maintain" your grapple more than once per round.)

Thank you sir. Maybe I glanced over that too quickly. But am I to understand that the primary grappler still keeps their ability to use an attack of opportunity on anyone within their thretened area? Or does being grappled reduce their threatened area to only those within the grapple? If the latter, where is that in the rules exactly.?

Thanks again.

[Traken]

Riggler wrote:

Thank you sir. Maybe I glanced over that too quickly. But am I to understand that the primary grappler still keeps their ability to use an attack of opportunity on anyone within their thretened area? Or does being grappled reduce their threatened area to only those within the grapple? If the latter, where is that in the rules exactly.?

Thanks again.

Yes, you retain your ability to make AoOs. However, you will have to be considered armed, a difficult feat when using two hands to grapple or only one hand to grapple (-4 to grapple checks). You will also take a -2 to attacks and have a -4 to your Dex.

[Riggler]

Traken wrote:

Riggler wrote:

Thank you sir. Maybe I glanced over that too quickly. But am I to understand that the primary grappler still keeps their ability to use an attack of opportunity on anyone within their thretened area? Or does being grappled reduce their threatened area to only those within the grapple? If the latter, where is that in the rules exactly.?

Thanks again.

Yes, you retain your ability to make AoOs. However, you will have to be considered armed, a difficult feat when using two hands to grapple or only one hand to grapple (-4 to grapple checks). You will also take a -2 to attacks and have a -4 to your Dex.

Thanks, for the response, Traken.

So a monk in that situation as the primary grappler, still threatens but with a -2 to attack and -4 to Dex (in the case of high enough Dex and Weapons Finesse (unarmed)). And the reason for the -2 to attack is because even as primary grappler, he has the grappled condition...correct?

[Tom Baumbach]

Riggler wrote:

... because even as primary grappler, he has the grappled condition...correct?

Correct!

[Bobson]

Traken wrote:

Riggler wrote:

Thank you sir. Maybe I glanced over that too quickly. But am I to understand that the primary grappler still keeps their ability to use an attack of opportunity on anyone within their thretened area? Or does being grappled reduce their threatened area to only those within the grapple? If the latter, where is that in the rules exactly.?

Thanks again.

Yes, you retain your ability to make AoOs. However, you will have to be considered armed, a difficult feat when using two hands to grapple or only one hand to grapple (-4 to grapple checks). You will also take a -2 to attacks and have a -4 to your Dex.

Do you have a source for this? As far as I can tell, you can't make AoOs while grappled, regardless of whether you started it or not. It'd certainly make my monsters stronger if I've been doing it wrong...