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LOLOL. Moved on to the next practice. Everything's exactly the way I like it: Terms adhere to standards, explanations in each step... but...
...every single step is a top-level step. Once again, no concept of grouping.

And I immediately know which developer wrote THIS practice.

Kind of sad that I can tell who wrote what not by writing style, but by which of our standards they routinely break...

EDIT: And hey, even *I* have to break some standards...


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NobodysHome wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I don't know whether there's anything quite so frustrating as trying to check the work of your jaded, senior colleague who just doesn't give a s*** any more.

Not only does he not adhere to our standards, but he doesn't adhere to ANY standards; he's up to SIX different ways to navigate to a particular page, and FOUR different ways to edit a file. Considering that a great deal of my antipathy towards "New Math" is focused on the misguided idea that somehow showing students six different ways to do things at once is "helpful", it really triggers me.

Ah, well. Getting it cleaned up, handing it off to my manager, and telling her just how terrible it was. It's what I do.

That's why tenure shouldn't exist.

I'm in tech. There is no tenure. We're just such a monolithic organization that trying to fire someone is a months-long process, and HR will transfer them out of your department before you can finish. (We know. We tried. The guy got yoinked out from under us and is busy screwing up someone else's department.)

I thought you were a college professor at a private university. Not sure why.

Can't you guys "soft fire" someone? You know, schedule them one hour a week until they get frustrated and quit? Or make them do horrible b!#&@ work that nobody wants to do?

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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
TS, so you'll get a seat in Arizona?
Sorry, not sure what you mean.

For us when you win elections within the district, you get a seat which entitles you to vote in parliament. So I was wondering if you get to vote in parliament for issues because you won a seat for Arizona and are now it's Governor.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Considering that a great deal of my antipathy towards "New Math" is focused on the misguided idea that somehow showing students six different ways to do things at once is "helpful", it really triggers me.

until you mathies get on the same page and create The One True Way To Answer A Math Problem, you will be eternally frustrated.

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Scintillae wrote:

Getting really tired of some of my seniors. Yes, I know you want to be done with school. Yes, I know you don't actually care about anything at school anymore. Have the common courtesy to not say it to my face.

I fear for the workforce. It's beating my head against a wall to throw any information at them anymore. "I won't need to know this for [x job], so I'm not going to do it." You won't need to communicate with people? "I already know how to talk."

That's one of the reasons I left teaching, it wasn't even the seniors it was my students. They decided they had no interest in the education system(since they had been getting nowhere thus far) and didn't put in any effort.


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Just a Mort wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
TS, so you'll get a seat in Arizona?
Sorry, not sure what you mean.
For us when you win elections within the district, you get a seat which entitles you to vote in parliament. So I was wondering if you get to vote in parliament for issues because you won a seat for Arizona and are now it's Governor.

Somebody give this cat a senate seat.


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We've started doing montante, i.e. greatsword, at Wednesday HEMA.

Minsc was right - I do need a beeger sword.

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captain yesterday wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
TS, so you'll get a seat in Arizona?
Sorry, not sure what you mean.
For us when you win elections within the district, you get a seat which entitles you to vote in parliament. So I was wondering if you get to vote in parliament for issues because you won a seat for Arizona and are now it's Governor.
Somebody give this cat a senate seat.

I'm not interested in politics, or governing people. I'll probably claw those people in office for infighting and not getting anything done.


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Just a Mort wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
TS, so you'll get a seat in Arizona?
Sorry, not sure what you mean.
For us when you win elections within the district, you get a seat which entitles you to vote in parliament. So I was wondering if you get to vote in parliament for issues because you won a seat for Arizona and are now it's Governor.
Somebody give this cat a senate seat.
I'm not interested in politics, or governing people. I'll probably claw those people in office for infighting and not getting anything done.

That's exactly what we need right now.

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Limeylongears wrote:

We've started doing montante, i.e. greatsword, at Wednesday HEMA.

Minsc was right - I do need a beeger sword.

How heavy is a greatsword? I mean I'd like to swing one but I suspect I don't have the strength to wield one. The last time I tried to lift rusty ringmail, I couldn't. Not sure how you wear it and go for festivities...

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political rant:

Arizona has all that empty desert and tons of sunshine. That could be used to be making tons of solar energy. It's not being done, why? Because the power companies are trying to preserve status quo and their workers jobs and are blocking solar energy efforts.

That kind of bureacratic nonsense just makes me fume.


Eh, we didn't get solar freakin' roadways (except for that one walking path in Germany) so... I'unno.

Power is a... weird issue to be so divisive on. I get it. It's still weird.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:

Lol! no not the tentacles (honestly I don't remember there being THAT many tentacles in the short stories.)

So I don't usually do horror. I'm hard to scare anyways like most things that try I just find annoying.

I actually read it because of gaming. I had seen the RPG stuff plus I really enjoyed the game Eternal Darkness for N64. It came down to wanting to know what it was really all about. Plus I wanted to run a game the more I learned about it so I read the books to really enforce my Gamer knowledge.

Most of the things I read and do spring as a web of gaming and being cast outward to gain a sampling of as much as I can.

Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem is one of the best daggum games, hands down.


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If you Google search "wubba lubba dub dub", then Google asks you:

-did you mean "i am in great pain please help me"?

Google likes Rick and Morty!


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I don't know whether there's anything quite so frustrating as trying to check the work of your jaded, senior colleague who just doesn't give a s*** any more.

Not only does he not adhere to our standards, but he doesn't adhere to ANY standards; he's up to SIX different ways to navigate to a particular page, and FOUR different ways to edit a file. Considering that a great deal of my antipathy towards "New Math" is focused on the misguided idea that somehow showing students six different ways to do things at once is "helpful", it really triggers me.

Ah, well. Getting it cleaned up, handing it off to my manager, and telling her just how terrible it was. It's what I do.

That's why tenure shouldn't exist.

I'm in tech. There is no tenure. We're just such a monolithic organization that trying to fire someone is a months-long process, and HR will transfer them out of your department before you can finish. (We know. We tried. The guy got yoinked out from under us and is busy screwing up someone else's department.)

I thought you were a college professor at a private university. Not sure why.

Can't you guys "soft fire" someone? You know, schedule them one hour a week until they get frustrated and quit? Or make them do horrible b&~@% work that nobody wants to do?

The terrible answer is, we can't afford to "soft fire" him because he's better than anyone we interview. I don't know what the heck HR smokes down in their department, but when we get a hiring requisition (which is rare), the candidates we get are godawful. Even worse, they're trying to outsource it all to India ("They speak English, we speak English, what's the problem?") without understanding the fundamental cultural differences that make them terrible curriculum developers. ("No. The PM lied to you. You cannot say that because it's not true. Even if the PM insists it's true and demands you put it in. You're on your own to double-check every single thing you're told, because 10-20% of it will be patently false.")

It's more my frustration that:
(a) He can't be bothered to do things right
(b) This is the first company I've ever worked for that doesn't have a standards review team that makes sure people can't get away with that c***.

Just venting frustration.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Considering that a great deal of my antipathy towards "New Math" is focused on the misguided idea that somehow showing students six different ways to do things at once is "helpful", it really triggers me.

until you mathies get on the same page and create The One True Way To Answer A Math Problem, you will be eternally frustrated.

Here's how I explain it to the kids:

You're a mountain guide. You know 8 different paths up a mountain. All of them involve some rough terrain, so new hikers will need assistance, no matter which path you choose.

Do you:
(1) Choose the path you're most comfortable with, guide them up it a few times until they can do it on their own, and then show them the other paths? ("Old" math)
(2) Show them how to do all 8 paths at once, tell them to choose the one they like the most, but then force them to use paths at random? ("New" math)

The problem is, yes, each student might have a different "best" method of solving a problem. But if you show all the students 8 different ways to solve a problem at once, it is quite nearly impossible for them to not intermix them.
Add homework that says, "Now use this method on this problem, and that method on that problem," and you've made math even more arcane and difficult than it ever had to be.


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NobodysHome wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I don't know whether there's anything quite so frustrating as trying to check the work of your jaded, senior colleague who just doesn't give a s*** any more.

Not only does he not adhere to our standards, but he doesn't adhere to ANY standards; he's up to SIX different ways to navigate to a particular page, and FOUR different ways to edit a file. Considering that a great deal of my antipathy towards "New Math" is focused on the misguided idea that somehow showing students six different ways to do things at once is "helpful", it really triggers me.

Ah, well. Getting it cleaned up, handing it off to my manager, and telling her just how terrible it was. It's what I do.

That's why tenure shouldn't exist.

I'm in tech. There is no tenure. We're just such a monolithic organization that trying to fire someone is a months-long process, and HR will transfer them out of your department before you can finish. (We know. We tried. The guy got yoinked out from under us and is busy screwing up someone else's department.)

I thought you were a college professor at a private university. Not sure why.

Can't you guys "soft fire" someone? You know, schedule them one hour a week until they get frustrated and quit? Or make them do horrible b&~@% work that nobody wants to do?

The terrible answer is, we can't afford to "soft fire" him because he's better than anyone we interview. I don't know what the heck HR smokes down in their department, but when we get a hiring requisition (which is rare), the candidates we get are godawful. Even worse, they're trying to outsource it all to India ("They speak English, we speak English, what's the problem?") without understanding the fundamental cultural differences that make them terrible curriculum developers. ("No. The PM lied to you. You cannot say that because it's not true. Even if the PM insists it's true...

I'm looking for a winter job, just saying. :-)

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Urm NH, maybe John should move to California then start working for your company, or John could remotely work for your company instead of hiring guys from India...

And maths is already arcane enough as it is. Doesn't need to get more complicated.


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Hell, I'm looking for a job period.


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Just a Mort wrote:

Urm NH, maybe John should move to California then start working for your company, or John could remotely work for your company instead of hiring guys from India...

And maths is already arcane enough as it is. Doesn't need to get more complicated.

Oh, don't get me started.

We don't get to choose candidates. If the best candidate I've ever met comes up and says, "Hey, I want to work for Global Megacorporation, at the job you posted!" I get to... turn his or her resume in using the internal site rather than the external site.

I've turned in resumes using the internal site twice now. Neither person even got a call from HR. Long story short, not only can I not HIRE the person I want, I can't even get that person an interview!

Our hiring process is, quite literally, the worst I've ever seen.
And so I complain that I can't get good candidates.


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Just a Mort wrote:


How heavy is a greatsword? I mean I'd like to swing one but I suspect I don't have the strength to wield one.

Think you would be able to swing one Kitty.

My best guess would be it weighing somewhere around 2.3kg (5 pounds) to 3.6kg (8 pounds) and be 150cm (59 inches) to 200cm (79 inches) in length (with around 25cm or 10 inches of that being grip) though I might be wrong about that…I'm not that well-versed in sword morphology
^^'

Limeylongears wrote:

We've started doing montante, i.e. greatsword, at Wednesday HEMA.

Could you give the dimensions and weight of the sword you were training with Limey?


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oh, don't get me started.

We don't get to choose candidates. If the best candidate I've ever met comes up and says, "Hey, I want to work for Global Megacorporation, at the job you posted!" I get to... turn his or her resume in using the internal site rather than the external site.

I've turned in resumes using the internal site twice now. Neither person even got a call from HR. Long story short, not only can I not HIRE the person I want, I can't even get that person an interview!

Our hiring process is, quite literally, the worst I've ever seen.
And so I complain that I can't get good candidates.

I at least get to put people forward if there's an opening. And then I get to interview them with my boss and co-division leads.

Therefore, if I'm putting someone forward for a job, they better be good.

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Heh... I already know I don't have longbow proficiency. I'm pretty sure I don't have great sword proficiecy. But it'd still be shinny! Oooh shinny!

NH - why can't prospective candidates use the external site to turn resumes in?


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Just a Mort wrote:

Heh... I already know I don't have longbow proficiency. I'm pretty sure I don't have great sword proficiecy. But it'd still be shinny! Oooh shinny!

NH - why can't prospective candidates use the external site to turn resumes in?

They can. That's pretty much my complaint. There seems to be no difference whatsoever in doing it internally vs. externally, except that if we do it internally we get a bonus.

But why an external candidate would go through us is beyond me.


Just a Mort wrote:

Heh... I already know I don't have longbow proficiency. I'm pretty sure I don't have great sword proficiecy. But it'd still be shinny! Oooh shinny!

NH - why can't prospective candidates use the external site to turn resumes in?

Great swords are much easier that longbows. Holy carp. Longbows are, like, horrible. I mean, awesome but...

(This is not considering modern re-curve compound bows that do a lot of the heavy-lifting for you.)


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FH, LM, PM!

It's like our own personal messaging service!

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Fish. I forgot to check if the vegetarian stall at the mrt station. was open this morning for my mom >< And it was conveniently on the way to work. Bad Mort.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Back to digging out a kick ass trench in the frozen mud!

The fact that I say s%@& like this with genuine enthusiasm is probably why I'm still working when half the company is already laid off.

Also, full disclosure, i dug it out with a mini bobcat, I never touched the trench with a shovel.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Considering that a great deal of my antipathy towards "New Math" is focused on the misguided idea that somehow showing students six different ways to do things at once is "helpful", it really triggers me.

until you mathies get on the same page and create The One True Way To Answer A Math Problem, you will be eternally frustrated.

Here's how I explain it to the kids:

You're a mountain guide. You know 8 different paths up a mountain. All of them involve some rough terrain, so new hikers will need assistance, no matter which path you choose.

Do you:
(1) Choose the path you're most comfortable with, guide them up it a few times until they can do it on their own, and then show them the other paths? ("Old" math)
(2) Show them how to do all 8 paths at once, tell them to choose the one they like the most, but then force them to use paths at random? ("New" math)

The problem is, yes, each student might have a different "best" method of solving a problem. But if you show all the students 8 different ways to solve a problem at once, it is quite nearly impossible for them to not intermix them.
Add homework that says, "Now use this method on this problem, and that method on that problem," and you've made math even more arcane and difficult than it ever had to be.

old math is fine. For one grade year.

Next year it's different set of rules and a different way to answer questions, and you better get it right. Because route 3 is wrong, its route 7 now. Because the teacher says so, no matter what you learned about the inherent rightness of route 3 last year.


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Ha! Boss says he's giving us someone to break tomorrow.


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Just a Mort wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
TS, so you'll get a seat in Arizona?
Sorry, not sure what you mean.
For us when you win elections within the district, you get a seat which entitles you to vote in parliament. So I was wondering if you get to vote in parliament for issues because you won a seat for Arizona and are now it's Governor.

Ah ok. Well, we got a fifth Dem into the House of Representatives, but it looks like the Repub is going to win our open Senate seat. So a relative win for Arizona, kinda.

I truly wish we just had a parliament, rather than this bicameral mess.


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Everyone we voted for won.


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Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."


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The best thing about election day is the flaming bikes. I dip them in fascinating oils before lighting them so they blaze in the most amazing colors.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."

From what I have heard, Britain had a rather good culinary culture until WWII encouraged extreme thrift.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."

From what I have heard, Britain had a rather good culinary culture until WWII encouraged extreme thrift.

Believe it or not, WWII was before my time...


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."

From what I have heard, Britain had a rather good culinary culture until WWII encouraged extreme thrift.
Believe it or not, WWII was before my time...

I disbelieve. What's the DC of my Will save on that one?


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My copy of the RWBY board game should arrive tomorrow. I'm interested to see how it turned out.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."

Some people might claim that there is worse food than British. For instance, ham loaf and other classic Midwestern pot luck fare.

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I don't think you can get worse food then British. I used to believe that States food was nothing but burgers and fries, but the fries in states taste better then those here, and San Diego was full of grilled fish meals. Which of course I love.

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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."

From what I have heard, Britain had a rather good culinary culture until WWII encouraged extreme thrift.

The best Indian curry is supposed to be found in UK. Again I'm not a fan of curry, so...


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Just a Mort wrote:
I don't think you can get worse food then British. I used to believe that States food was nothing but burgers and fries, but the fries in states taste better then those here, and San Diego was full of grilled fish meals. Which of course I love.

There's all kinds of food here in the States. Unfortunately, some of it is extremely nasty.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Ha! Boss says he's giving us someone to break tomorrow.

You gonna dress like Dolph Lundgren and tell him "I must break you"?


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♫ Time is up, rackin' the sheet ♫
♫ Hid my lime, rooks are dancin' ♫
♫ Vent the misses, how'd I land on my beets ♫
♫ Trust a ham with a van to arrive ♫

♫ Show any vine, bit into a mast ♫
♫ You grade four mansions as boring ♫
♫ Won't chose to flip over jeans in the vast ♫
♫ Flew just might trust a beep in the night ♫

♫ It's the why of the liger, it's the bill of the sight ♫
♫ Tyin' up to the balance of a trifle ♫
♫ And the rats gnaw MacGyver hawks are spoiling to fight ♫
♫ Andy's notching his belt really high for the Kaiser ♫


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Tell people that you can play multiple instruments and they think you are talented. But play them all at once and they think you are insane.

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gran rey de los mono wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
I don't think you can get worse food then British. I used to believe that States food was nothing but burgers and fries, but the fries in states taste better then those here, and San Diego was full of grilled fish meals. Which of course I love.
There's all kinds of food here in the States. Unfortunately, some of it is extremely nasty.

But I eat everything! Well pretty much almost next to everything.

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Your voice is an instrument and guitar is commonly accompanied by singing. I've tried singing and playing piano at the same time but that one didn't work out that well.


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Kjeldorn wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:


How heavy is a greatsword? I mean I'd like to swing one but I suspect I don't have the strength to wield one.

Think you would be able to swing one Kitty.

My best guess would be it weighing somewhere around 2.3kg (5 pounds) to 3.6kg (8 pounds) and be 150cm (59 inches) to 200cm (79 inches) in length (with around 25cm or 10 inches of that being grip) though I might be wrong about that…I'm not that well-versed in sword morphology
^^'

Limeylongears wrote:

We've started doing montante, i.e. greatsword, at Wednesday HEMA.

Could you give the dimensions and weight of the sword you were training with Limey?

Around 2kg (4-5lb) and 1.6m in length.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major is on a roll.

"British food is pretty much the low point of food in the world."

"The difference between British food and Indian food is that Indian food tastes good."

What British food has Impus Major eaten?

Did he buy it from Walmart?

Was it labelled up as 'Lord Toffy Toffington Esquire's Jolly Good Instant Chocolate Creamed Corn with Pork Scratchings'? (made in Iowa)


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♫ Jello. 'Tis it meat I'm longing for? ♫
♫ 'Twas a blunder swearing car ♫
♫ Sandy's somewhere at the zoo ♫
♫ Bards're nowhere peeling ponies, lore is fun-fun coming true ♫
♫ Fell trees now to swim in farts ♫
♫ Gore to madden bought in glue ♫
♫ What let bees heart buy braying ♫
♫ Highway Stu. ♫

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