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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
It's kind of hard to like an animal that won't even f&$* to save it's species. I mean, geeze. F%~$ing is a base instinct. Would our world really be worse if they were extinct? I mean, they're kind of doing it to themselves at this point.

Not all animals find such things engaging. Maybe they're more into books.


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Clearly, I am the type of animal that finds such things engaging.


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Really!?!

I am shocked! Shocked I say!!


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In that case, it's good to know that Freeholds are in no danger of becoming extinct.

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Yes I am a more into books animal.

*meow*

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Down here eating out is quite cheap and common practice. Many people have eschewed cooking for the convenience of eating out.

I've heard eating out in the States or in Europe can be a pricy affair though.


Just a Mort wrote:

Down here eating out is quite cheap and common practice. Many people have eschewed cooking for the convenience of eating out.

I've heard eating out in the States or in Europe can be a pricy affair though.

It's not too bad. Only one spleen or kidney per meal.

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Kidneys taste good!


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It's because restaurants often jack-up the prices of the food they serve. It's far cheaper to go to a grocer, buy the ingredients, and cook the food yourself. Eight dollars for a glass of wine? For twice that, I could buy my own bottle.


And, now I want a bottle of Sake.


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Just a Mort wrote:

Down here eating out is quite cheap and common practice. Many people have eschewed cooking for the convenience of eating out.

I've heard eating out in the States or in Europe can be a pricy affair though.

So as always, the answer is, "It depends on where you eat, and how healthy you want your meals to be."

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the priciest markets in the U.S., if not the world.

Yet if I wanted my 3 meals a day from fast food places, I could easily survive on $15/day. On the other hand, at $450/month that's already higher than NobodysWife and my $300/month grocery budget when I was a poor grad student living in Davis. And the problem with U.S. fast food is that, instead of most countries where you'd pack the food full of cheap leafy green vegetables and rice to add substance at low cost, U.S. fast food is almost entirely protein, refined carbohydrates, and fat. A horrifically bad-for-you meal, but in the U.S., protein is cheaper than leafy greens, and almost as cheap as rice.

If I actually wanted to eat healthy, I'd have to search around a bit. Betty's on 4th street does a nice steel cut oatmeal breakfast with a side of fruit that would set me back around $12, including tax and tip. The Chinese places around here (surprise surprise) include a lot of vegetables in their meals, so I could get a very healthy lunch for another $12. Similarly, the Rendez-Vous cafe does a nice salad with seared tuna that I could probably get away with for $16, putting a good healthy 3 meals a day at $40, but we're up to $1200/month. Some people (*cough* *cough* Shiro *cough* *cough*) live this way, but that's people who live alone (Shiro does) and who make a decent salary for the area (OK. Shiro's a "C"-level executive, so he more than hits that mark.)

Then you get to "decadent eating" levels. Most restaurants around here will cost you $20 per person for lunch, and $30-$40 per person for dinner. Even our go-to "cheap date" dinner at Sushi 29 runs us around $180 for the four of us.

And the sky's the limit. At Rivoli we order ridiculous amounts of food, most people at the table have 2-3 drinks, we do full 4-course dinners, and then we tip 25-30%. So we've had nights at Rivoli at $75 per person, and we've had nights at $125 per person.

This gets really silly, but I want to show Just a Mort the spectrum I know of:

Sons and Daughters of San Francisco wasn't as good as Rivoli, but it was a 9-course meal and NobodysWife had the wine pairing add-on, so we hit $250 per person.

My personal all-time record is The French Laundry, an internationally-famous restaurant in the Napa Valley. Yes, it was the best food I've ever had. But at $500 per person, it better have been! (It was our 25th anniversary, so we had an excuse. But Napa is ludicrously expensive -- you could spend one weekend there and easily be out $10,000.)

And yet I work in the software industry and have watched sales guys trying to schmooze their customers with $3000 bottles of wine, $500 caviar, and other stuff I'd never be able to justify buying.

So the spectrum is enormous, from $15/day for cheapo food, to $40/day for good food, to $300-$400/day for "luxury food", to who-knows-what for places I don't even know exist because they're out of my price range.


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As an addendum to the above: It can get relatively worse with food access if you live in one of the areas where there are not easy access to fresh vegetables. Driving to the nearest restaurant to get a good quality meal in my area can take up to two hours, depending on traffic. And since public transportation effectively doesn't exist in this area, every bit of that is gas I have to pay for.


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Just a Mort wrote:

Down here eating out is quite cheap and common practice. Many people have eschewed cooking for the convenience of eating out.

I've heard eating out in the States or in Europe can be a pricy affair though.

i just blew a stupifying amount of money on some truly divine vietnamese take out....yeah.


Nothing like frustration while trying to create a character for a campaign.

I keep drawing blanks other than "elf swashbuckler."


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Terrinam wrote:

Nothing like frustration while trying to create a character for a campaign.

I keep drawing blanks other than "elf swashbuckler."

its why i roll dice to create characters.


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
It's kind of hard to like an animal that won't even f&$* to save it's species. I mean, geeze. F%~$ing is a base instinct. Would our world really be worse if they were extinct? I mean, they're kind of doing it to themselves at this point.
Not all animals find such things engaging. Maybe they're more into books.

I really don't have time to get into potentially asexual animals and their perceived special needs. There's like 7 of you in the world. Just f+**.


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The out of state nephews went with optimization over jedi with Starfinder, making an operative and mechanic.


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
It's kind of hard to like an animal that won't even f&$* to save it's species. I mean, geeze. F%~$ing is a base instinct. Would our world really be worse if they were extinct? I mean, they're kind of doing it to themselves at this point.
Not all animals find such things engaging. Maybe they're more into books.
I really don't have time to get into potentially asexual aniamals and their perceived special needs There's like 7 of you in the world. Just f@#&.

Who told you what we were going to do tonight!

You guys better not be webcaming us, again!


captain yesterday wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
It's kind of hard to like an animal that won't even f&$* to save it's species. I mean, geeze. F%~$ing is a base instinct. Would our world really be worse if they were extinct? I mean, they're kind of doing it to themselves at this point.
Not all animals find such things engaging. Maybe they're more into books.
I really don't have time to get into potentially asexual aniamals and their perceived special needs There's like 7 of you in the world. Just f@#&.

Who told you what we were going to do tonight!

You guys better not be webcaming us, again!

Of course he's not webcaming you! That tiny little reflective button in the wall is just for decoration.[/blatant lies]


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
So gran you guys do a breakfast right? do you have someone come in and set that up for you or do you do it?

Third shift sets it up and runs it until we leave at 7, at which time the breakfast host comes in or first shift runs it if the host doesn't show up/isn't scheduled.

You?

Breakfast host comes in at 5 to get things ready (we do a large breakfast) She did not come in till 6:30 yesterday So I had to run back and forth from getting breakfast ready and handling checkouts at the front desk.

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My BF helped me finish my hearthstone dungeon run with a paladin deck. He's got a mean streak in him. He took the passive power that gave him all minions above 5 cost cost only 5 then happily packed his deck with lich kings and Ragnaroses.

I also crafted myself an arch mage Antonidas, thinking if I should go find space for 2 molten reflections in my deck to do endless fireball combo with sorcerers apprentices.


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I've beat it with the mage and shaman both with the spellpower +3 the mage with the one that makes your hero power cost 1 and improved that and a few pyroblasts stomped. for the shaman it was evolve that mostly did it. and a few spells to finish them off.


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Pretending to be doing some home cleaning...


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I could use a dust mask right now.


Also, lower back hurts a bit. One of the boards under the mattress displaced recently as I discovered this morning.


I should dress up and take away some trash.


I ended deleting Idle Heroes from my tablet. It was crashing more and more, and when I reinstalled it, it asked me about password instead of being attached to my tablet google account (as it seemed to be) with no external password (that I could recall). Ah, well, it's not like I played it for months and gathered a lot of experience and characters...


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Poor heroes now they will be eternally idle.


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I need to learn how to let go of things.

<.<

>.>

I am still missing addictive daily grind of Marvel: Avenger's Alliance...


OMG I was so upset when they closed that one. In the long run its probably good I'm not wasting time on it anymore but I miss it. I'll never play another Facebook game again.


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Drejk wrote:
I should dress up and take away some trash.

Is it a tradition in Poland to get all dressed up to take out the trash?

Hmmm...

"Tuxedo Trash Day"!

I like it!


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NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:
I should dress up and take away some trash.

Is it a tradition in Poland to get all dressed up to take out the trash?

Hmmm...

"Tuxedo Trash Day"!

I like it!

Only when the alternative is pajamas. And only when it's cold.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Going to buy my first new car tomorrow. If things go relatively smoothly.

I've spent the last week pitting all the dealerships in Arizona against each other in a bidding war, I'll see if it pays off. One of them has already reneged on a low bid.

It paid off! My very first new car is a 2018 model that I got for a smokin' hot price!!!


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We’re having our annual New Year’s game night tonight. It’s a day early because some of our family and guests have to drive home on New Year’s Day. We’ll get to break out Bears vs. Babies for the first time.


Just a Mort wrote:
I also crafted myself an arch mage Antonidas, thinking if I should go find space for 2 molten reflections in my deck to do endless fireball combo with sorcerers apprentices.

It certainly is a fun combo -- I experienced the burnt crispy end of it just last week! :/


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The sun is a liar today, a beautiful, beautiful liar.

We'll be lucky if we can reach 0 today.

Currently -5 with a brisk wind making it -25 with the windchill.


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We were finally able to play our Legacy of Fire campaign again for the first time since mid-November. When Whingey Wizzard asked, "Have we really not played since the 18th of last month?!?"
I said, "Yeah, because remember, Goth Bard had that thing, and then it was their anniversary, and..."
"No, I mean OUR game."
"Oh. Yeah. Probably."

Teensy Valeros has decided he wants to play Merisiel, the elf rogue, for a while and have me NPC Valeros. My daughter told me privately she is worried about him always leading the charge in combat and having bad dreams. This time I had him stay back and use a longbow.

Everything went pretty well, except for one irritating exchange with my wizard.

He had cast Proct. Evil for the combat, and insisted on holding his action and directing everyone else's maneuvers so that they could all move together to keep inside the circle.
My personal view was that combats don't work that way and that, with one character down and monsters engaged, it was more likely that people were going to do what needed to be done, and +2 AC be damned.
He said, "So you're not going to follow Pathfinder movement rules, then?"
Me: "No, I'm following the rules, I just think you're trying to impose unworkable strictures on the group."
He sulks off to the kitchen and starts doing dishes loudly until it's his turn.

Spoiler: We won anyway.


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Rawr! wrote:
We’re having our annual New Year’s game night tonight. It’s a day early because some of our family and guests have to drive home on New Year’s Day. We’ll get to break out Bears vs. Babies for the first time.

That sounds awesome. We got three new games for Christmas this year:

Moose in the House (for the kids to play with grandma)
Punderdome (for Whingey Wizzard)
Battle for Hogwards (because the kids are mad for all things Potter)

And we have already played them ALL.

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I was asked for a spectate. I threw out the sorcerer's apprentice too early, it got bashed up...then I ended up with 2 molten reflections in my hand(Argh sheesh), and beating that poor sap to death with faceless summoner, his 3 cost minion and an ethereal conjurer.

The best laid schemes o' micecats an' men / Gang aft a-gley

LM - Protection from evil doesn't have a radius - maybe you're talking about magic circle against evil?

Eh. If I went to the trouble of setting magic circle against evil up, I'd expect party members to keep in circle as well. Its +2 AC, +2 saves, and most of all cannot be target of charms and compulsions from evil enemies. Could be a potential lifesaver when dealing with vampires and the ilk.


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Just a Mort wrote:

I was asked for a spectate. I threw out the sorcerer's apprentice too early, it got bashed up...then I ended up with 2 molten reflections in my hand(Argh sheesh), and beating that poor sap to death with faceless summoner, his 3 cost minion and an ethereal conjurer.

The best laid schemes o' micecats an' men / Gang aft a-gley

LM - Protection from evil doesn't have a radius - maybe you're talking about magic circle against evil?

Eh. If I went to the trouble of setting magic circle against evil up, I'd expect party members to keep in circle as well. Its +2 AC, +2 saves, and most of all cannot be target of charms and compulsions from evil enemies. Could be a potential lifesaver when dealing with vampires and the ilk.

Depends on the level. It doesn't stack with a Ring of Protection nor Cloak of Resistance, so by the time you're 8th or 9th level the only thing it's protecting you from is mental domination. Which is still a Big Nice Thing.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

I was asked for a spectate. I threw out the sorcerer's apprentice too early, it got bashed up...then I ended up with 2 molten reflections in my hand(Argh sheesh), and beating that poor sap to death with faceless summoner, his 3 cost minion and an ethereal conjurer.

The best laid schemes o' micecats an' men / Gang aft a-gley

LM - Protection from evil doesn't have a radius - maybe you're talking about magic circle against evil?

Eh. If I went to the trouble of setting magic circle against evil up, I'd expect party members to keep in circle as well. Its +2 AC, +2 saves, and most of all cannot be target of charms and compulsions from evil enemies. Could be a potential lifesaver when dealing with vampires and the ilk.

Depends on the level. It doesn't stack with a Ring of Protection nor Cloak of Resistance, so by the time you're 8th or 9th level the only thing it's protecting you from is mental domination. Which is still a Big Nice Thing.

Yes, Magic Circle, but for some reason I cannot edit posts at the moment.

The party is 6th level right now. But they honestly DID NOT NEED to be that cautious. They were up against a CR3 flamebrother salamander and a CR6 average salamander. Who, admittedly, had a magic spear that does both shock and fire damage, with which she managed to crit the red shirt npc with one hit, but it's not like our cleric didn't have Rebuke Death.

IT'S A GAME, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, AND THE WIZZARD PLAYS LIKE AN OLD WOMAN.

Actually, I take that back. My great-grandmother is 95 and will still happily kick your ass at Rummikub and then gloat over the kill.


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lisamarlene wrote:

Everything went pretty well, except for one irritating exchange with my wizard.

He had cast Proct. Evil for the combat, and insisted on holding his action and directing everyone else's maneuvers so that they could all move together to keep inside the circle.
My personal view was that combats don't work that way and that, with one character down and monsters engaged, it was more likely that people were going to do what needed to be done, and +2 AC be damned.
He said, "So you're not going to follow Pathfinder movement rules, then?"
Me: "No, I'm following the rules, I just think you're trying to impose unworkable strictures on the group."
He sulks off to the kitchen and starts doing dishes loudly until it's his turn.

Spoiler: We won anyway.

You and Nobody have the patience of saints to keep dealing with this guy after all the stories I hear about him.

I'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy outside of game, but in game every story I hear makes him sound like a conglomeration of the worst players I've ever had to deal with.


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Orthos wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Everything went pretty well, except for one irritating exchange with my wizard.

He had cast Proct. Evil for the combat, and insisted on holding his action and directing everyone else's maneuvers so that they could all move together to keep inside the circle.
My personal view was that combats don't work that way and that, with one character down and monsters engaged, it was more likely that people were going to do what needed to be done, and +2 AC be damned.
He said, "So you're not going to follow Pathfinder movement rules, then?"
Me: "No, I'm following the rules, I just think you're trying to impose unworkable strictures on the group."
He sulks off to the kitchen and starts doing dishes loudly until it's his turn.

Spoiler: We won anyway.

You and Nobody have the patience of saints to keep dealing with this guy after all the stories I hear about him.

I'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy outside of game, but in game every story I hear makes him sound like a conglomeration of the worst players I've ever had to deal with.

I'm afraid that's pretty much the size of it: He's generally a good guy, but the moment gaming is involved he turns into one of the worst players imaginable. So we did the logical thing and stopped gaming with him. Unfortunately, that meant that lisamarlene couldn't play, either, which is a pretty messed-up thing to do. So I took the hit on her behalf and ran one last AP for her, and he got to come along, being married to her and all. But the wear-and-tear of having run at least 2 sessions a week (and usually 3) since 2011 has really taken its toll on me, so I need a couple of years off. Unfortunately, the other GMs in the group are less tolerant, so the future of Whingey and LM's gaming is bleak. And that is really, really, really unfair to her.

But after one more campaign of, "I want everything for free, and I want to be able to screw over everyone with no repercussions. Plus I want to argue the rules and slow every combat to a crawl," it's clear he's irredeemable as a gamer.

But kicking him to the curb means kicking LM as well, and I value friendships more than I value gaming. (Of course, considering I have to GM almost every game in which I participate, there may be some "work bias" in there as well.)


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I'm guessing "She can play, you can't" is not an option for some reason?

Nevermind, I somehow missed this sentence:

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Unfortunately, that meant that lisamarlene couldn't play, either, which is a pretty messed-up thing to do.

... am I reading this correctly? You told him you didn't want to game with him and he decided that meant she couldn't play either? Because if that's so, I may have to revise my opinion on him as a "decent person" out of game.


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NH knows better than to put me in that position by suggesting it, because he's my friend.


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To each their own, I guess. I've done it before, when a similar situation arose, though that was with a dating couple rather than a married one so that might be the line that people aren't willing to cross.

Grand Lodge

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I'm grateful that Cyz and I don't have that issue. If I want to game and she doesn't, we work our schedules to allow that. She has plenty of things to do while I'm out, so it works. And I am perfectly content to be a bump on a log at home while she's out doing what she wants.


I've been booted out of a game that my ex-wife (at the time fiance) wasn't. She reacted like you would imagine - a much less profane version of "are you s@#+ting me?"

Bros before hoes, but queens before the gaming scene.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I'm grateful that Cyz and I don't have that issue. If I want to game and she doesn't, we work our schedules to allow that. She has plenty of things to do while I'm out, so it works. And I am perfectly content to be a bump on a log at home while she's out doing what she wants.

We are the same way.


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
I've been booted out of a game that my ex-wife (at the time fiance) wasn't. She reacted like you would imagine - a much less profane version of "are you s$@#ting me?"

The one time I had to do it - telling a woman that had been in our group for a while that her boyfriend was by no means ever welcome at our table again - she took it very well and completely understood, and apologized profusely for his behavior. She continued playing with us for a couple more years before the group fell apart due to people moving away.

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