Dawnflower Dervish - Best Fighter Archetype thus far?


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- Move and full attack like the mobile fighter
- Option for an additional attack
- No loss of weapon training (and bravery)
- Usable with any kind of weapon (although it's meant to be used with scimitars, you are free to use two-handed weapons or bows)

Unless Aldori Dueling Mastery is changed in the new campaign setting, at high levels Aldori dueling swords would be great in combination with this archetype, otherwise falchions would be nice. And longbows, who doesn't like extra attacks.

Thus far, a Savage Warrior Dawnflower Dervish seems to be the only legal archetype combination for fighters (and a somewhat interesting one considering Savage Charge and Burst of Speed).


I'm not familiar with this archetype. Where it comes from?

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freduncio wrote:
I'm not familiar with this archetype. Where it comes from?

Pathfinder Player Companion: Inner Sea Primer

http://archivesofnethys.com/classesAlternate.htm


So Dervish Dance is finally going to be printed in a post-3.5 Paizo product? I will wait till I see it before screaming "Power Creep!".

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IkeDoe wrote:
So Dervish Dance is finally going to be printed in a post-3.5 Paizo product? I will wait till I see it before screaming "Power Creep!".

Quadira - Gateway to the East is a PRPG book, so Dervish Dance has been post-3.5 for a while now. It's also not that great, it just makes dexterity based duelists a bit more useful.

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Dervish Dance is not power creep at all. All it does is widen the playing field. One-handed attacks are still one-handed attacks. There's no multiplying the Dex modifier and you may not use it with a shield in the other hand either. Only works for really specific and strange sort of build. Like a melee druid with a flameblade spell on, a duelist or certain magi or perhaps this Dawnflower Dervish.


Muser wrote:
Dervish Dance is not power creep at all. All it does is widen the playing field. One-handed attacks are still one-handed attacks. There's no multiplying the Dex modifier and you may not use it with a shield in the other hand either. Only works for really specific and strange sort of build. Like a melee druid with a flameblade spell on, a duelist or certain magi or perhaps this Dawnflower Dervish.

and it is still limited to just scimitar. So no elven curveblades :)


I've changed Weapon Finesse so it lets you use dex for damage with finesse weapons. Dex for attack is automatic in my houserules.


Jadeite wrote:
IkeDoe wrote:
So Dervish Dance is finally going to be printed in a post-3.5 Paizo product? I will wait till I see it before screaming "Power Creep!".
Quadira - Gateway to the East is a PRPG book, so Dervish Dance has been post-3.5 for a while now. It's also not that great, it just makes dexterity based duelists a bit more useful.

He's not talking about the Paizo feat Dervish Dance. Rather, he's referring to the class ability from the Dervish PrC from Complete Warrior that allows you to move and full attack.


KaeYoss wrote:

I've changed Weapon Finesse so it lets you use dex for damage with finesse weapons. Dex for attack is automatic in my houserules.

I agree with Kae Yoss I think weapon finesse should add to both attack and damage.

Other than loosing armor training hurting your max Dex in armor for a Dex fighter, seems like a solid option. Just mandates mithril armors so its a cash tax, which at the levels that it matters you should be OK.


KaeYoss wrote:

I've changed Weapon Finesse so it lets you use dex for damage with finesse weapons. Dex for attack is automatic in my houserules.

My twf High-Dex Rogue would be happy with it, now that's rule changing.

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Quadira - Gateway to the East is a PRPG book, so Dervish Dance has been post-3.5 for a while now. It's also not that great, it just makes dexterity based duelists a bit more useful.

It was published before the Core Rulebook was out, they use Pathfinder for everything related to Golarion, even if it's for 3.5

Tbh I expected the feat to be reprinted in the APG, given that the book came with an archetype for one handed warriors.

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IkeDoe wrote:


It was published before the Core Rulebook was out, they use Pathfinder for everything related to Golarion, even if it's for 3.5

It might have been published before the Core Rulebook, but it's a PRPG supplement nonetheless.

Check the back as well as the entries on the Suli and the Zhyen. While the Taldor companion had a Pathfinder Chronicles logo on its back, the Quadira companion had a Pathfinder RPG one.

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