Abuse of women has no relation to a democratic movement? What are we in 1800's?This sexual harassment is a despicable crime. It seems to be an everyday occurrence in Egypt, according to the reports (which in no way is an excuse). What does it prove? That european-looking women are a target for sexual harassment in Egypt? That hardly comes as a surprise, I guess, after reading the other reports that state that harassment is an all-too-common crime there even for native women.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with the democratic development of Egypt, I´d say. It speaks volumes about the mindset of the typical Egyptian male, however.Stefan
Does the abuse of japanese women in public cast a shadow on the status of Japans democracy (cf. chikan)? Or in India (cf. the euphemistic eve teasing)? Is the abuse of women in Egypt aimed at preventing them from participating in the democratic development? It casts a shadow on the egyptian society and its values, as they treat women as objects (which does not surprise me at all in near-eastern countries). It is one point where the Egyptian society needs to improve badly. Which all the other societies in which this is a problem need to do as well, improve.
But I fail to see how that correlates to democratic development, if this does not lead to women being excluded from that development. Of course, if islamic forces would come to power in Egypt, the freedom of women would be heavily curtailed if not non-existent. But I don´t see random sexual harassments as a sign of a political direction or movement, even if they are epidemic.
Much less I see how a sexual harassment incident against a reporter has any impact on this. While the incident itself is a despicable crime, it could call international attention to this problem, which might help fighting it. But at first, it needs to be accepted as a problem by the mostly male-dominated Egyptian society, which is no easy thing, I guess. Yes, I´m hopelessly optimistic and see the potential for improvement in almost every human being.
Stefan
I prefer that the United States handle this the way Ron Paul has suggested- cut off all aid and stop interfering in Egypt's domestic affairs.
As for Dingo's nasty remarks about Washington, I just laugh.
I've always been faintly amused by Canadians, Australians, etc who brag about their status as 'colonials.' :)
Their queen Lizzie is not even a legitmate monarch. The true royal line is the House of Stuart. If they are going to be Loyalists, at least they could be loyal to their rightful king.
Who said I'm loyal to Monarchy? I'm A Commonwealth Citizen, like the guy sitting in the White house with Duel Citizenship...
My Loyalty is to a world spanning Commonwealth where any act of Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign causing Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt is a Seditious act and thus an assault on the Comonwealth and therefor Treason - and the penalty for resisting arrest under charge of treason is death.
So what is your point?
Our President does not have dual citizenship, He was born in Hawaii, not Kenya. I shouldn't even have to explain this. Birthers.....sheesh.I hadn't realized that that madness had spread to other countries. ;()
As for the rest, you can't be a traitor for opposing Lizzie as she is not the rightful monarch. Join me on the Jacobite side of the Force, YD.
Well, I disagree with Citizen Dingo's politics, but he does have a legitimate point about the American Revolution. It wasn't a wonderful love-fest. A rough estimate is that one-third of the population was pro-Revolution, one-third was pro-Britain and the other third didn't particularly care one way or the other.People make a big deal about the French Revolution, how bloody it was and all that and then talk about the American Revolution like it was accomplished by an act of the Continental Congress and an afternoon tea party.
I have never denied that the AR or WoI was a rough event. If you are implying that I've ever called it a 'love-fest, you are using a strawman. I don't think that's your intention. Am I wrong?
Of course there was all manner of unpleasantness on all sides.Calling George Washington a 'rapist'? That's just goofy, not to mention factually incorrect.
Well, I disagree with Citizen Dingo's politics, but he does have a legitimate point about the American Revolution. It wasn't a wonderful love-fest. A rough estimate is that one-third of the population was pro-Revolution, one-third was pro-Britain and the other third didn't particularly care one way or the other.People make a big deal about the French Revolution, how bloody it was and all that and then talk about the American Revolution like it was accomplished by an act of the Continental Congress and an afternoon tea party.
I have never denied that the AR or WoI was a rough event. If you are implying that I've ever called it a 'love-fest, you are using a strawman. I don't think that's your intention. Am I wrong?
Of course there was all manner of unpleasantness on all sides.Calling George Washington a 'rapist'? That's just goofy, not to mention factually incorrect.
My comments weren't addressed to you. You know how you can tell? Your name doesn't appear once in the post.
Which doesn't mean that you can't comment on them, of course, just that I'm a little perplexed about why you thought they were directed at you. And, finally, I believe that CoDzilla has the copyright on the phrase "strawman".
My comments weren't addressed to you. You know how you can tell? Your name doesn't appear once in the post.Which doesn't mean that you can't comment on them, of course, just that I'm a little perplexed about why you thought they were directed at you. And, finally, I believe that CoDzilla has the copyright on the phrase "strawman".
You QUOTED my exchange with YD. My name appeared in the quotation section of your post. That's how I can tell, buddy.
Now do you understand?:)
I prefer that the United States handle this the way Ron Paul has suggested- cut off all aid and stop interfering in Egypt's domestic affairs.
As for Dingo's nasty remarks about Washington, I just laugh.
I've always been faintly amused by Canadians, Australians, etc who brag about their status as 'colonials.' :)
Their queen Lizzie is not even a legitmate monarch. The true royal line is the House of Stuart. If they are going to be Loyalists, at least they could be loyal to their rightful king.
Who said I'm loyal to Monarchy? I'm A Commonwealth Citizen, like the guy sitting in the White house with Duel Citizenship...
My Loyalty is to a world spanning Commonwealth where any act of Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign causing Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt is a Seditious act and thus an assault on the Comonwealth and therefor Treason - and the penalty for resisting arrest under charge of treason is death.
So what is your point?
Well, I disagree with Citizen Dingo's politics, but he does have a legitimate point about the American Revolution. It wasn't a wonderful love-fest. A rough estimate is that one-third of the population was pro-Revolution, one-third was pro-Britain and the other third didn't particularly care one way or the other.
People make a big deal about the French Revolution, how bloody it was and all that and then talk about the American Revolution like it was accomplished by an act of the Continental Congress and an afternoon tea party.
Says someone whose family farm wasnt burned to the ground by Washington...
Calling George Washington a 'rapist'? That's just goofy, not to mention factually incorrect.
Burning a farm is not rape.
I you wanted to write '"Troops under Washington's command burned my ancestors' farm' that would be acceptable- if it were true. It might well be true; such things did indeed happen to both Patriots and Loyalists. Do you have some documented evidence of the specific incident, or is this simply an oral tradition in the family?The charge of rape is BS, and you know it. If you are going to engage in libel, I don't think I'll bother reading your posts in the future.
My comments weren't addressed to you. You know how you can tell? Your name doesn't appear once in the post.Which doesn't mean that you can't comment on them, of course, just that I'm a little perplexed about why you thought they were directed at you. And, finally, I believe that CoDzilla has the copyright on the phrase "strawman".
You QUOTED my exchange with YD. My name appeared in the quotation section of your post. That's how I can tell, buddy.
Now do you understand?
:)
Excuse me while I prepare my breakfast. I'm going to reheat this egg on my face.
My comments weren't addressed to you. You know how you can tell? Your name doesn't appear once in the post.Which doesn't mean that you can't comment on them, of course, just that I'm a little perplexed about why you thought they were directed at you. And, finally, I believe that CoDzilla has the copyright on the phrase "strawman".
You QUOTED my exchange with YD. My name appeared in the quotation section of your post. That's how I can tell, buddy.
Now do you understand?
:)Excuse me while I prepare my breakfast. I'm going to reheat this egg on my face.
It's cool, man- just a typical online miscommunication.
I do agree with you that the popular memory of the AR tends to be a bit sanitized and one-sided.
Nice to read your input on this thread, ewan cummins (I think you low-balled some of the stats on your profile page, but that's me ... I'm not your GM/DM).
Thanks, Andrew, that's a nice thing to say.
:)
I'm not afraid to express my views, but I try to keep it civil and fun.
YD- are you the same guy from the WotC boards? If so, I'm a big fan of many of your creative ideas. You came up with some cool stuff in several of the homebrew/worldbuilding threads. I believe we may have both posted in some of the same threads, in fact. IIRC, you wrote up something with blink dogs and warlords for a guy's 'dark ages' homebrew. He was going to run it with D20 modern, but it was a low-magic medieval setting with elves and dwarves.
WOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EGYPT IS FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Veector: Come back, man. You're missed!
As for the rest, you can't be a traitor for opposing Lizzie as she is not the rightful monarch. Join me on the Jacobite side of the Force, YD.
Nice to know that I'm not alone
