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First the part that confuses me:
If the creature does not break free of the trap, you can keep it bound for as long as you dare. You can attempt to compel the creature to perform a service by describing the service and perhaps offering some sort of reward. You make a Charisma check opposed by the creature's Charisma check. The check is assigned a bonus of +0 to +6 based on the nature of the service and the reward. If the creature wins the opposed check, it refuses service. New offers, bribes, and the like can be made or the old ones re-offered every 24 hours. This process can be repeated until the creature promises to serve, until it breaks free, or until you decide to get rid of it by means of some other spell. Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to. If you ever roll a natural 1 on the Charisma check, the creature breaks free of the spell's effect and can escape or attack you.
Do you need to bribe or pay the creature you are bargaining with? Or can you get it to do as you wish based purely on the luck of the roll?
Say for an angel, please help destroy the army of the dead. When the evil lich evillichimous is destroyed you may return. Since you are offering no reward you would get no bonus ( or maybe +1 due to the nature of the request )
Or on the other side of the coin could you just bully a demon/devil with a display of magic power and make the opposed roll.
Simple synopsis is the bribe/reward optional or required. How do you handle this?
PS how do you handle bound creatures for XP...I'd be inclined to say they get no share of treasure and count as part of the summoners abilites so get a 0 share ( unless that share was bargained, or perhaps promised to a church or orphanage )
First the part that confuses me:
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Do you need to bribe or pay the creature you are bargaining with? Or can you get it to do as you wish based purely on the luck of the roll?
Say for an angel, please help destroy the army of the dead. When the evil lich evillichimous is destroyed you may return. Since you are offering no reward you would get no bonus ( or maybe +1 due to the nature of the request )
Or on the other side of the coin could you just bully a demon/devil with a display of magic power and make the opposed roll.
Simple synopsis is the bribe/reward optional or required. How do you handle this?
PS how do you handle bound creatures for XP...I'd be inclined to say they get no share of treasure and count as part of the summoners abilites so get a 0 share ( unless that share was bargained, or perhaps promised to a church or orphanage )
All you have to do is win the opposed charisma check. Bribes and favorable conditions will help your case if great enough though.
I had forgotten to answer the XP question. The monster gets no XP.
PS:Some services may be refused if they are too unreasonable.
Firstly as it has been stated by wraithstrike, the payment is optional.
Other than that, I believe the charisma roll can be roleplayed in very different ways. It might be an attempt to persuade (perhaps combined with a bribe) the being to do something, in which case some beings would definately refuse so actions (such as an angel killing innocent children for the sake of your personal pleasure).
But on the otherhand, since charisma is also sheer force of personality, it could easily see the roll simulating you breaking the being spirit and forcing it to your will. It wouldn't be unreasonable to demand that this process would require multiple roles in some cases, just as, in the case of tainting an angel to slay innocents, might bring some repercussions afterwards.
I think getting an angel to kill innocents falls under impossible unless you can do a "for the greater good" arguement.
I think getting an angel to kill innocents falls under impossible unless you can do a "for the greater good" arguement.
Well, I admit you are right on that one given the "Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to"-part.
Personally, though, I might allow it, if the player went for corrupting the angel, thus tainting it (and himself), and took the risk of heavenly retribution.
I think getting an angel to kill innocents falls under impossible unless you can do a "for the greater good" arguement.Well, I admit you are right on that one given the "Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to"-part.
Personally, though, I might allow it, if the player went for corrupting the angel, thus tainting it (and himself), and took the risk of heavenly retribution.
IMHO you can't even corrupt a person in the time limit the spell gives unless they were already on the way to falling, much less an angel. Having an evil angel as a buddy would be cool though.
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IMHO you can't even corrupt a person in the time limit the spell gives unless they were already on the way to falling, much less an angel. Having an evil angel as a buddy would be cool though.I think getting an angel to kill innocents falls under impossible unless you can do a "for the greater good" arguement.Well, I admit you are right on that one given the "Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to"-part.
Personally, though, I might allow it, if the player went for corrupting the angel, thus tainting it (and himself), and took the risk of heavenly retribution.
What if your request had an open ended time limit? Like defend this door until a female mage bearing the mark of the crescent moon enters?