Mkay, while the +2 hammer (or +1 furious hammer) is tempting, I seem to get more bang for my buck by spreading it around a little. I think Nuveril will take the 2000 gp bonus and spend her money on:
+1 madu (just the shield enhancement -- seems wasteful to spend 2000 gold to go from d3+1 to d3+2 damage) for 1330 gp +1 studded leather for 1175 gp cloak of resistance +2 for 4000 gp Oh, and Sajan will be taking 'All Gnolls Must Die'- his name is now whispered in fear and many Gnolls fear their teeth will be added to his grim collection...You already hit the twenty-kill threshold? Nuveril only got seven. Now she feels even more inadequate....
I ditched the 20 gnoll requirement some ways above.
Gravity bow and the rod are fine (assume the lesser is 1/day). You can basically assume APG is fine bar summoners.
Can't see why you wouldn't start over on the loot list but I'll defer to wiser heads on that.Okay. Thanks. Lesser rods are from 1st to 3rd level spells. All Metamagic rods are 3/day IIRC.
Will probably dump some more spells in my spellbook with any leftover cash. The more spell in the book, the more useful my Arcane Bond.
OK that makes more sense. Coldballs!
So noone is taking the 2nd ring of prot for 1k? Thats a fairly perfect example of a 1k difference in your collective wealth level I'm never giving you back.
Thanks for the offer AK.
However, I see part of my role as buffing you guys anyway, just like the poor cleric is expected to heal and buff too. Also, Mage Armour won't stack with any Bracers of Armour you find, so it gets less useful over time and is useless once you get those Bracers of Armour +4. :-)
I don't plan for Sajan to ever be wearing bracers of armour while theres a wizard in the group. When we find bracers of armour +4 we'll sell them for 8K and I can keep relying on a level 1 spell :)
I'd claim the ring of prot but wearing two don't stack :(
Gravity bow and the rod are fine (assume the lesser is 1/day). You can basically assume APG is fine bar summoners.
Can't see why you wouldn't start over on the loot list but I'll defer to wiser heads on that.Okay. Thanks. Lesser rods are from 1st to 3rd level spells. All Metamagic rods are 3/day IIRC.
Will probably dump some more spells in my spellbook with any leftover cash. The more spell in the book, the more useful my Arcane Bond.
Grall also bought you the spell blur and asked if you could scribe some scrolls (10 of them) to cast on him in combat?
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sorry, I've been busy as hell the last few days. Khalid will lay claim to the other ring of protection. I'll have to look at the other options later tonight, but I will likely spend cash on a +1 mithral chain shirt. (I think that's around 2100 gp).
For purposes of finishing level up, is Tempest still a +1 or has it become a +1 frost scimitar now?
I knew I had forgotten something. Tempest gains the frost quality as you ascend to 5th level.
More work to do tonight so chapter 2 thread won't be up til thur, maybe fri night my time. Would be super great but not crucial if people can finalise their admin by then.
I'm going to stick with the scribe scroll feat. Hopefully i'll find some use for it down the road. Linah's sheet is updated to lvl5.
I feel like an idiot for asking about doing this again but i have another question about the loot. Do each of us have any coins to spend out of the loot pile, or do i claim items from the pile to sell if i would want gold? If i for instance wanted to buy a ring of protection, would i claim items from the loot list up to a sell value of 1000 gp (that's the price for a ring of protection, right?) or do we have some coins in or individual share i could take?
I'm going to stick with the scribe scroll feat. Hopefully i'll find some use for it down the road. Linah's sheet is updated to lvl5.
I feel like an idiot for asking about doing this again but i have another question about the loot. Do each of us have any coins to spend out of the loot pile, or do i claim items from the pile to sell if i would want gold? If i for instance wanted to buy a ring of protection, would i claim items from the loot list up to a sell value of 1000 gp (that's the price for a ring of protection, right?) or do we have some coins in or individual share i could take?
Terok will correct me if I'm wrong but he's calculated the list by taking
the sale item of everything (.5/1 for item loot; 1/1 for treasure). So the idea is everything is converted to notional gold and you take your share out of that. You take what you want out of your total share (paying the sale price for looted items and full price for things you buy). Anything left over you can take in gp. Fine with you loaning provided you can justify in character.The loot share works in the same way except assumption will be that anything within parties capability to craft (taking into account you and Zeladiel's scribe scroll) will be crafted and everything else bought at full price. Seems like Terok could use some help with the allocation.
Re your last post I like it. I'm happy to leave the precise details of Grall and Haleen's relationship up to you at this point. Shes semi-cohort, semi-NPC at this point. I'm not planning at this point on having her accompany you during chapter 2 although she might well come along for a fair bit of chapter 3 assuming Grall lives.
Theres always the classic she likes him but he doesn't see it approach. Its up to you.
I'm going to stick with the scribe scroll feat. Hopefully i'll find some use for it down the road. Linah's sheet is updated to lvl5.
I feel like an idiot for asking about doing this again but i have another question about the loot. Do each of us have any coins to spend out of the loot pile, or do i claim items from the pile to sell if i would want gold? If i for instance wanted to buy a ring of protection, would i claim items from the loot list up to a sell value of 1000 gp (that's the price for a ring of protection, right?) or do we have some coins in or individual share i could take?
Terok will correct me if I'm wrong but he's calculated the list by taking
the sale item of everything (.5/1 for item loot; 1/1 for treasure). So the idea is everything is converted to notional gold and you take your share out of that. You take what you want out of your total share (paying the sale price for looted items and full price for things you buy). Anything left over you can take in gp. Fine with you loaning provided you can justify in character.The loot share works in the same way except assumption will be that anything within parties capability to craft (taking into account you and Zeladiel's scribe scroll) will be crafted and everything else bought at full price. Seems like Terok could use some help with the allocation.
Dan is correct on all fronts. Consider it in these terms, we sell everything. You get X gold. You can "buy" an item from the treassure list at 1/2 price that you want. What is left over you have in cash to spend on items outside of the hoard at the regular market price. Thx.
** spoiler omitted **
So for his sake she neither denies his advance nor encourages a more romantic involvement.
We can play it in the background and just see how it works out, but the guy doesn't always get the girl, even if he is a hero...
Do the items we're replacing go back into party loot to be sold, I presume? At this point, the value of Nuveril's old armor and madu is negligible, but at some point we might be replacing magical gear with better magical gear.
Btw, Dan, I keep forgetting to mention it, but I love how the hammer of the pugwampi king turns into the hammer of an Azlanti king by the time it's worked its way through the rumor mill. :)
Do the items we're replacing go back into party loot to be sold, I presume? At this point, the value of Nuveril's old armor and madu is negligible, but at some point we might be replacing magical gear with better magical gear.
Btw, Dan, I keep forgetting to mention it, but I love how the hammer of the pugwampi king turns into the hammer of an Azlanti king by the time it's worked its way through the rumor mill. :)
Will leave it up to you but would presume so. You've been allocated the item and will be allocated any replacement so your individually losing out by putting the proceeds back into the pool.
Who says the hammer isn't :)
The finest midget Azlant king ever to walk Golarion :)
Zeladiel will 'carry' the Bracers of Armor +2 if no one else wants them and they aren't sold. Someone should also 'carry' the Brooch of Shielding, but if no one wants it and it doesn't need to be sold Zeladiel can carry that too. The 'Party' may want to purchase the Necklace of Missiles and the Ring of Featherfall as well as the Wand of Bulls Strength. Recommend the Necklace of Fireballs to Khalid, so we can double Fireball that group of trolls in the first round. And that Ring of Featherfall to Grall, especially if I start throwing round Create Pit spells. :-) Terok, what else does the 'Party' own and who's carrying it?
As always, let me know if I've grabbed something you want. Thanks.
Zeladiel
Wealth
__70___ Starting Gold
_200___ Almah Reward
4978.2_ Treasure Ch 1
2000___ Fifteen Months Work
7248.2gp
Pre-campaign
2375___ Longbow +1
1000___ Pearl of Power
????
Full Price
__30.7_ Starting Gear
__25___ Scroll of Gravity Bow (APG 226)
__10___ Copy Gravity Bow to spellbook
__25___ Scroll of Memory Lapse (APG 232)
__10___ Copy Memory Lapse to spellbook
_150___ Scroll of Blur
__40___ Copy Blur to spellbook
_150___ Scroll of Create Pit (APG 213)
__40___ Copy Create Pit to spellbook
3000___ Lesser Elemental Metamagic Rod of Cold
3480.7gp
Half Price
1151___ Dagger +1
2400___ Sandals of Spider Climbing
__20.5_ Silver Arrows x 10
_157.5_ Masterwork Longsword
3729gp
7248.2gp-
3480.7gp-
3729gp =
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__38.5gp Total Left
Zeladiel will 'carry' the Bracers of Armor +2 if no one else wants them and they aren't sold. Someone should also 'carry' the Brooch of Shielding, but if no one wants it and it doesn't need to be sold Zeladiel can carry that too.
Our treasure shares assume this unclaimed gear is sold- so it either needs to be claimed with treasure share or sold really.
HP Roll
Sajan's ready to go now, equipment bought etc.
Do the items we're replacing go back into party loot to be sold, I presume? At this point, the value of Nuveril's old armor and madu is negligible, but at some point we might be replacing magical gear with better magical gear.
Btw, Dan, I keep forgetting to mention it, but I love how the hammer of the pugwampi king turns into the hammer of an Azlanti king by the time it's worked its way through the rumor mill. :)
Your gear is yours to sell on the open market...and if you buy new gear yo can hold onto your old stuff or sell it for gold for yourself. Unless stated otherwise we can assume anything we sell gets us 50% of the market value.
So far the only suggestions for party spends is what I sent out:
Buy the Wand of bulls STR 450gp
Linah craft 2 scrolls of inviso purge 150gp
Zel craft 4 scrolls of haste 300gp
Wand of CLW 750gp
Scroll of breat of life 1125gp
Linah craft 2 scrolls of resist fire 150gp
Total so far 2925gp in spends for the party out of 6603gp = 3678gp left in party treasury.
Wounldn't hurt to have a few more generic scrolls....
Hey Zel, how would you feel about Khalid buying you a scroll of Cat's Grace for your spellbook and then paying for you to make a few scrolls of it? For Khalid now Cat's grace means +2 to AC and Attack, and Damage with Tempest.
Grall was doing the same thing with Blur...he bought yo it for your spellbook so you actually have 150 more gp...and he was spending enough for you to make Grall 10 scrolls of blur...
I'm not really too sure what we're meant to be buying out of the party share- only items for healing, mass buff?
Once the essentials are covered (pretty much whats been suggested above) i'd rather have the party share diluted for more cash.
I would like to buy some kind of mithril armor to step from the only 20':er in the party to a 30':er like the rest (except for Grall and Sajan).
So please tell me if this is correct:
My share of the loot is 6603,1 gb of which i've claimed 2077,5 gp all ready. That leaves me with 4525,6 gp to spend. If i sell my +1 breast plate (675gp) and phylactery of faithfulness (500gp) i have 5700,6gp which would allow me to purchase a +1 mithril breast plate for 5200gp.
Nuveril
Starting gold 0 (gave her life savings to Undrella in the form of herbs)
+ loot share 6603.1 gp
- 1156 gp (claimed +1 hammer)
+ 2000 gp (between-books bonus)
- +1 madu 1330 gp
- +1 studded leather 1175 gp
- cloak of resistance +2 4000 gp
+ sell madu (50%) 15 gp
+ sell leather armor (50%) 5 gp
= 962.1 gp, which I'll assume someone is keeping track of for her in Kelmarane. It's a start on getting her hammer further enhanced.
Patrik,
Looks right to me.
How a about a few scrolls of enlarge crafted at 5th level for Grall/Sajan/Nuveril?
What about align weapon?
Neutrailze poison?
I can't think of anything else. If you guys want to divy up the remaining cash after that I am fine and can do the total left.
We can do away with the party treasury entriely if that's what people want going forward?
Don't forget the haversack unless you want me to get started on the encumbrance rules.
OK I've gone through the list and a few other things:
- It doesn't look like people other than Zeladiel have added Almah's gold reward (which doesn't seem to have been included in the list?).
- I stated the assumption miles and miles ago but I calculated Zeladiel's starting wealth on the assumption that Arjun wasn't getting a share so thats another 1625 gp to split between the five of you.
- Potions are on the list and need to be bought (either from your own or the group list). That includes the things you've sucked down. You might want to allocate consumables found straight to the group list, I don't know but you don't get to drink them then use their sell value to buy stuff.
Edit: Feel free to convert group funds to individual shares but note my warning about resting this chapter.*
*Starting to get sad that noone seems to listen to my warnings or hints or masterful foreshadowing ... damnit don't walk away I'm talking here.
How a about a few scrolls of enlarge crafted at 5th level for Grall/Sajan/Nuveril?
What about align weapon?
Neutrailze poison?
Aside from neutralise poison, I would say those other suggestions are really individual purchases rather than party loot (Sajan has bought himself a bunch of potions out of his share for instance).
An extra 325 each then for Arjun's share, added to my sheet. Completely up to date now.
Edit: I'll claim the cure mod wounds pot actually... Gold paid back into the share to cover.
Assuming you counted your 700gp reward.
My head is starting to hurt. When people get around to it can they post something similar to Zeladiel above (this made me realise something was off as he shouldn't have been substantially more than the rest of you). I'll double check.
Don't forget the haversack unless you want me to get started on the encumbrance rules.
OK I've gone through the list and a few other things:
- It doesn't look like people other than Zeladiel have added Almah's gold reward (which doesn't seem to have been included in the list?).
That was 700gp in total, right?
Edit: Feel free to convert group funds to individual shares but note my warning about resting this chapter.**Starting to get sad that noone seems to listen to my warnings or hints or masterful foreshadowing ... damnit don't walk away I'm talking here.
You can foreshadow the whole AP and my newbie gamer brain will probably still miss it :)
Well we've done some party buys, diluting the group share into individual shares so I can spend as much as possible to deal with the challenges ahead is pretty much responding to your warning of no rest.
Starting Gold: 6603(T)+325(T)+700(R)=7628gp
+2000gp for a years worth of work around town =9628gp
Spend:
Potion of Enlarge crafted 25gp- consumed
MW Silver Dagger 155gp
Belt of CON +2 from the hoard 2000gp
+1 cloak of resistance 1000gp
adding +1 to his Falchion 2000gp
+1 chain shirt from hoard 625gp
+2 str bow from hoard 150gp
spell blur for Zeladiel's spellboook 150gp
ask Zeladiel to scribe him 10 scrolls of blur for 750gp to cast on him.
Boots of elvenkind 2500gp
Tota Spend is 9355gp
9628-9355=273gp left over
Wealth
6603 gp from the loot share
700 gp from Almah for freeing Kelmare
325 gp from Arjun's share
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7628 gp
Spending
155,0 gp Masterwork Cold Iron Mace, light from treasure hoard
165,0 gp Masterwork Cold Iron Scimitar from treasure hoard
578,5 gp +1 heavy wooden shield from the treasure hoard
8,0 gp hot weather outfit from the treasure hoard
5200,0 gp +1 mithral breast plate
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6721,5 gp
(I didn't count the phylactery of faithfulness or +1 breast plate since i traded those in.)
Which leaves me with 1521,5 gp. Some of that will go to scribing scrolls.
Assuming you counted your 700gp reward.
My head is starting to hurt. When people get around to it can they post something similar to Zeladiel above (this made me realise something was off as he shouldn't have been substantially more than the rest of you). I'll double check.
Math. I'm telling you. :)
I just went off terok's list. So we get an extra 1025 gp each total from Almah and Arjun's share?
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Starting Gold: 6603(T)+325(T)+700(R)=7628gp
No Bonus Gold from downtime - Moldspeaker stuff (I assume this is right?)
Spend:
Tempest 1157.5 gp
Mithral Shirt +1 2100 gp
Ring of Prot +1 from hoard 1000 gp
Cat's Grace for Zel's book 150 gp
5 scrolls of Cat's Grace from Zel 375 gp
Potion of Blur 150 gp
Potion of Cat's Grace 150 gp
Total = 5082.5 gp
Total Remaining = 2545.5 gp
(even if I forgo the spell and scrolls and let both potions go I'm still 780 gp short of the Belt of Dexterity. Obviously, if I'm wrong about the downtime stuff, I will certainly be buying the Belt and not purchasing the Cat's Grace stuff.)
I thought that we had already taken the cost of the Haversack out of the party loot a while back?
Assuming you counted your 700gp reward.
My head is starting to hurt. When people get around to it can they post something similar to Zeladiel above (this made me realise something was off as he shouldn't have been substantially more than the rest of you). I'll double check.
Math. I'm telling you. :)
I just went off terok's list. So we get an extra 1025 gp each total from Almah and Arjun's share?
Yep.
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Starting Gold: 6603(T)+325(T)+700(R)=7628gp
No Bonus Gold from downtime - Moldspeaker stuff (I assume this is right?)
Spend:
Tempest 1157.5 gp
Mithral Shirt +1 2100 gp
Ring of Prot +1 from hoard 1000 gp
Cat's Grace for Zel's book 150 gp
5 scrolls of Cat's Grace from Zel 375 gp
Potion of Blur 150 gp
Potion of Cat's Grace 150 gpTotal = 5082.5 gp
Total Remaining = 2545.5 gp
(even if I forgo the spell and scrolls and let both potions go I'm still 780 gp short of the Belt of Dexterity. Obviously, if I'm wrong about the downtime stuff, I will certainly be buying the Belt and not purchasing the Cat's Grace stuff.)
I thought that we had already taken the cost of the Haversack out of the party loot a while back?
Thought about it somemore...I'm letting go of my claim to the Ring of Protection, Someone else please claim it.
Starting Gold: 6603(T)+325(T)+700(R)=7628gp
No Bonus Gold from downtime - Moldspeaker stuff (I assume this is right?)
Spend:
Tempest 1157.5 gp
Mithral Shirt +1 2100 gp
Belt of Dexterity 4000 gp
Potion of Blur 150 gp
Total = 7407.5 gp
Remaining = 220.5 gp
Okays, will add 150gp from Grall and Cat's Grace from Khalid. Thanks very much guys. Zeladiel will craft bunches o' scrolls. Hafta rush off to work now. Will modify my stuff later.
As for Coldball... puh-lease.
Cryoball or Zeladiel's Freezing Sphere
:-D
Thought about it somemore...I'm letting go of my claim to the Ring of Protection, Someone else please claim it.
Hm. With the extra windfall, Nuveril can afford it, and it would stack with her armor and shield bonuses. If no one else wants it, she'll take it.
Chapter 2 is up LINK .
Liking the narratives very much. Can those who've posted repeat them in the new thread.
Its totally not my fault. If you want to blame anyone, blame the random halfling name generator.
OK I might have tweaked things a little bit...
References to property ownership basically necessitate that they were free.
I've given up on the Magic Dagger +1. It's just too expensive for something that will only ever be used for roleplay. I will keep the Masterwork Longsword though. In theory it may get used one day.
I've used the extra cash to buy the Brooch of Shielding and extra spells of Invisibility and Suggestion. I won't bother with Cat's Grace since Khalid has the Belt of Dexterity.
Zeladiel Update
Wealth
__70___ Starting Gold
_200___ Almah Reward
4978.2_ Treasure Ch 1
2000___ Fifteen Months Work
7248.2gp
Pre-campaign
2375___ Longbow +1
1000___ Pearl of Power
2380gp (Pre-campaign value of other PCs. cf If Arcane Object Longbow not free and enchanted for 1/2 price by Master Rayhan, Zeladiel Pre-campaign value = 2375gp)
Full Price
__30.7_ Starting Gear
__25___ Spell of Gravity Bow (APG 226)
__10___ Copy Gravity Bow to spellbook
__25___ Spell of Memory Lapse (APG 232)
__10___ Copy Memory Lapse to spellbook
__40___ Copy Blur to spellbook (c/o Grall)
_150___ Spell of Create Pit (APG 213)
__40___ Copy Create Pit to spellbook
_150___ Spell of Inviibility
__40___ Copy Invisibility to spellbook
_375___ Spell of Suggestion (APG 213)
__90___ Copy Suggestion to spellbook
3000___ Lesser Elemental Metamagic Rod of Cold
3985.7gp
Half Price
__20.5_ Silver Arrows x 10
_157.5_ Masterwork Longsword
_450___ Brooch of Shielding (60)
2400___ Sandals of Spider Climbing
3028gp
7248.2gp-
3985.7gp-
3028gp =
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_234.5gp Total Left
Just saw the Tetori monk archetype... Looks like I made Sajan too late lol.
DM, opinions on the following feats as future Sajan options?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/chokehold-combat
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rapid-grappler-combat
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/stunning-pin-combat
^ (bearing in mind I plan to take stunning fist later)
Grall is all for you grabbing the creatures so I can carve them into little bits...
Just saw the Tetori monk archetype... Looks like I made Sajan too late lol.
DM, opinions on the following feats as future Sajan options?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/chokehold-combat
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rapid-grappler-combat
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/stunning-pin-combat
^ (bearing in mind I plan to take stunning fist later)
I will have a look. The new things from uc/um that gain or lose actions seem to me to be the most problematic to me. They seem hard to assess without playtesting.
We'll be moving over to a new OOC thread shortly but to sort remaining treasure issues:
1. Can't see what break bonus Linah took (2k gold or +1 to skill etc as above). Khalid took moldspeaker ability, everyone else took cash.
2. To confirm if it is needed that your paying full price for the weapon enchants.
3. Wouldn't retire the party share just yet, you might want to make some more purchases out of it shortly. Some lesser restoration stuff might be handy.
4. The starting 5 were allocated 2,425 gp more than Zeladiel on your figures. Mine were a little different but still a few 100gp south of his 3k starting. Close enough for me.
5. Can I have Sajan and Nuveril's final buy lists when they're ready please.
Had a look at the Tetori monk.
Not sure what to think of it. You give away your damage potential to be really really good at grappling. Crazy good.
To be honest sounds like an almost surefire way to get in a meta war with the DM as he develops more and more convuluted ways to avoid grapple/pin/tie up ending the encounter. That or have groups of monsters every single time. And then the Tetori monk doesn't get to do much else but stand there and take paltry 3/4 BAB attacks at things.
It seems rather unfun for someone.
Final buy list for Nuveril:
Nuveril
Starting gold 0 (gave her life savings to Undrella in the form of herbs)
+ loot share 6603.1 gp
+ 1025 (Almah's bonus & Arjun's share)
- 1156 gp (claimed +1 hammer)
+ 2000 gp (between-books bonus)
- +1 madu 1330 gp
- +1 studded leather 1175 gp
- cloak of resistance +2 4000 gp
- 1000 gp (claimed ring of protection +1)
+ sell madu (50%) 15 gp
+ sell leather armor (50%) 5 gp
- silk rope (10 gp)
+ sell hemp rope (5 sp)
= 977.6 gp, which I'll assume someone is keeping track of for her in Kelmarane. It's a start on getting her hammer further enhanced.
We'll be moving over to a new OOC thread shortly but to sort remaining treasure issues:
1. Can't see what break bonus Linah took (2k gold or +1 to skill etc as above). Khalid took moldspeaker ability, everyone else took cash.
Oh, i didn't know we could pick our own. Then i'm going to go with a +1 on Heal checks, since that's what Linah's been doing most of the time.
I've also finished my shopping scrolls (or scribing scrolls).
Benefit: You can create a scroll of any spell that you know. Scribing a scroll takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, otherwise scribing a scroll takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To scribe a scroll, you must use up raw materials costing half of this base price. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information.
That basically means that i pay half price for the scrolls i scribe myself, correct?
If so, then here's my selection (all scrolls are crafted at lowest possible level):
2 Remove disease (325 gp)
2 Remove curse (325 gp)
5 Bull's strenght (325 gp)
5 Enlarge person (62,5 gp)
5 procetion from evil (62,5 gp)
5 lesser restoration (62,5 gp)
total cost: 1162,5 gp leaving me with 359 gp.
I hope it's correct. Honestly i'm crap at selecting equipment and it's by far the aspect of the game i enjoy the least. If you have any suggestions (or that something is plain wrong) i would be happy to hear it.