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A few days ago I played a session for the first time with a group of 3.5-Pathfinder players just to kinda introduce myself to some other gamers in the area -- time restraints keep me from joining.
The DM, a 3.5 guy grudgingly allowing his Players to use their Pathfinder stuff, runs a campaign in his own world.
Now, I've been pretty vocal on The Boards over the years about not being a rules-guy; I don't do Crunch.
But I found myself being a bit of a Rules Lawyer during the game.
Holy S#*!T, How the HELL did that happen?!
I realized what I was doing after about 3 corrections and immediately quit doing it. But my gosh, I can't believe I've become a Rules Lawyer.
That's like, almost as bad as a gamer who likes Gish.
Or one who playes a Chaotic alignment.
Seriously, only one step ahead of conservatives and drug pushers.
Is there any medicine I can take?
Can anyone help?
re: Medicine
Nope.
re: Can anyone help?
Maybe, but not me.
Gish aren't so bad...
Book 3, chapter 8, page 487, paragraph 3 states that you MUST follow all rules, no matter how contradictory they are.
Being knowledgeable is not a crime.
Being a dick is a crime.
Which one best describes what you were doing?
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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I hurt myself today
to see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
the only thing that's real
the needle tears a hole
the old familiar sting
try to kill it all away
but I remember everything
what have I become?
my sweetest friend
everyone I know
goes away in the end
you could have it all
my empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
I wear this crown of s$@@
upon my liar's chair
full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
beneath the stains of time
the feelings disappear
you are someone else
I am still right here
what have I become?
my sweetest friend
everyone I know
goes away in the end
and you could have it all
my empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
if I could start again
a million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way
next thing you'll be playing 4e...or Hero! ;)
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Being knowledgeable is not a crime.
Being a dick is a crime.
Which one best describes what you were doing?
Well, I stopped immediately upon realizing I was correcting the DM.
See, especially since I was joining another group's game, it was important for me to not seem like a dick.
The group, for what it's worth, liked me and wanted me to join permanently.
All was cool between me and the DM.
Is there any medicine I can take?
Can anyone help?
Actually, there is.
Page 76 of the Gamemastery Guide discusses the positive role of a Rules Lawyer.
Hurt
Awesome song! And W E Ray the trick is to be a helpful rules lawyer, instead of an annoyance.
I love you, Sebastion.
You're like, one of my 20 or 30 favorite lawyers in all of San Diego.
But, are you singing the Trent Rezner original or the Johnny Cash remake?
I thought it was the version sung by Gregorian Monks.
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Is there any medicine I can take?
Can anyone help?
Actually, there is.
Page 76 of the Gamemastery Guide discusses the positive role of a Rules Lawyer.
There is also the tone of communication:
"NO, you are wrong, it does not work that way, it works this way...."
vrs
"You know, I think that it might work X,Y,Z way instead. Since it could really affects this combat, do you mind if we double check?"
next thing you'll be playing 4e...or Hero!
Ayup. Face it…it's all over but the crying.
Creative Director
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I love you, Sebastion.
You're like, one of my 20 or 30 favorite lawyers in all of San Diego.
But, are you singing the Trent Rezner original or the Johnny Cash remake?
Either way, awesome.
It's my favorite post of yours since you compared WotC's killing the mags to someone peeing in your Cheerios.
If it had been the Johnny Cash remake, he would have had a crown of thorns instead of triggering our profanity filter.
You gentlemen should call it a "cover", not a remake. You remake a film, you cover a song. The latter is the more noble endeavor, in my opinion.
You gentlemen should call it a "cover", not a remake. You remake a film, you cover a song. The latter is the more noble endeavor, in my opinion.
Now you just blatantly steal the chorus or riff and call it "sampling."
If it had been the Johnny Cash remake, he would have had a crown of thorns instead of triggering our profanity filter.Doh! I was intending to reference the Jonny Cash remake, which is infinitely awesome, and didn't realize the lyrics were different.
I do agree it is infinitely awesome and the very first thing that popped into my head when I saw this thread title
You gentlemen should call it a "cover", not a remake. You remake a film, you cover a song. The latter is the more noble endeavor, in my opinion.Now you just blatantly steal the chorus or riff and call it "sampling."
+1
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What exactly were you correcting? "Um, you roll attacks with a d20 not a d12" or "Dude, monks aren't proficient with their own fists by RAW so you should have a -4 to attack rolls"?
Chances are, if you're this sensitive about being a BBERL (Big Bad Evil Rules Lawyer), you're not. You're probably just well informed.
You gentlemen should call it a "cover", not a remake. You remake a film, you cover a song. The latter is the more noble endeavor, in my opinion.
Using 'cover' to describe a song is an abomination unto the English language. 'Cover' either describes something you do to supress enemy fire when your buddy rushes across a battle zone to gain a tactical position, or something you put over an opening to prevent airflow in and out of a container.
The proper musical term is 'rendition.' As in, "Sheryl Crow's rendition of Sweet Child O' Mine is better than the original, but it still gets god-awful screechy halfway through."
/not serious
/mostly
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It's my bad for calling it a remake instead of a cover. I was thinking, in the back of my mind, that "remake" wasn't the right word but I was more into getting the Thread out and couldn't think of the more correct word. Again, my bad.
What was I correcting?
Ah, hell, I don't know. Probably how a Feat works or a spell- duration or something.
I just realized after a couple times that it seems like I was correcting the DM alot.
It was surreal.
I hate rules lawyers.
And I am by no means an expert on crunch.
Or, at least, I guess I've become a bit of an expert otherwise this would have never happened.
Sebastion wins the Thread, though -- by a landslide
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Chances are, if you're this sensitive about being a BBERL (Big Bad Evil Rules Lawyer), you're not. You're probably just well informed.
I get what you're saying but I have to respectfully disagree.
If I ask to sit in on another group's game for a session, whether I can join permanently or not, and the group rolls a d12 instead of a d20 for To Hit, and that's the way they play, well, that's the way they play and I'm joining them, not the other way around.
When in Rome...
Now, despite not remembering which little rules I was correcting, I do know they weren't House Rules.
A DM who doesn't know how, for example, Flanking or a 5' step works, is different from a DM who lets everyone strike unarmed without a -4 penalty.
. . . .
By the by, when did you change your Avatar?
It's odd seeing you differently.
Oh, I don't know, sometime last year maybe. I haven't been spending enough time at paizo to remember. :)
I've finally gotten a regular group together over the past couple of years, and we have a resident rules lawyer [and CharOper]. While he does have his annoying traits, he usually understands that we don't play everything by RAW. It's actually handy to have a human rules encyclopedia at the table.
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You gentlemen should call it a "cover", not a remake. You remake a film, you cover a song. The latter is the more noble endeavor, in my opinion.Now you just blatantly steal the chorus or riff and call it "sampling."
This probably should spur another thread in the OT section (or amend one), but I like reading your views and opinions on things and would like to expand a bit on the subject you touched on here.