Hi,
since Obox-ob is James Jacobs's baby, I was wondering if we would see him in the upcoming Book of the Damned? Is he open licensed, or did WOC managed to own that great beast? I was very sad not to see his entry on the demonomicon, so give me some hope people :)
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THIS THREAD contains a list of the demon lords of the setting and the next Book of the Damned most likely focuses on those demons. There's also a post in that thread where the Pathfinder equivalents of the old WotC demon lords are listed, including Obox-ob.
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Hi,
since Obox-ob is James Jacobs's baby, I was wondering if we would see him in the upcoming Book of the Damned? Is he open licensed, or did WOC managed to own that great beast? I was very sad not to see his entry on the demonomicon, so give me some hope people :)
Obox-ob was the primary bad guy deity in my homebrew campaign. I got the name from the 1st edition Monster Manual II, but as far as I can tell, that name was invented for the list in that book by Gygax; there's no real-world version of Obox-ob in myth.
When I included Obox-ob in "Fiendish Codex I" I essentially gave ("sold" is probably a better word) him to Wizards of the Coast. Seems only fair, since I got the name from an intellectual property they now own. In any event, WotC now owns Obox-ob, and we can't use him in Pathfinder.
So when it came to picking and detailing deities for Golarion, I couldn't include Obox-ob in that role. I used Lamashtu in his role as the leader of the demons, sort of, but his PRIMARY role as the big bad guy god of Golarion got taken over by another deity from my homebrew campaign: Rovagug. Originally, Rovagug was just the god of the underworld and fear and nightmares, but with Golarion, he more or less took over Obox-ob's role completely (with the exception of not having a significant tie to the Abyss that has been revealed... yet).
SO! If you're looking for a replacement in Golarion for Obox-ob, he's Rovagug. He's not in the list of demons and demon lords, because Rovagug isn't a demon. He comes from something far, far older... and if we do a book about things that are far, far older than demons, you can bet we'll be talking about Rovagug in it!
SO! If you're looking for a replacement in Golarion for Obox-ob, he's Rovagug. He's not in the list of demons and demon lords, because Rovagug isn't a demon. He comes from something far, far older... and if we do a book about things that are far, far older than demons, you can bet we'll be talking about Rovagug in it!
Gah! You tease! We want that qlippoth book and we want it yesterday! Unless you were inferring something else? A protean gone bad??
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Another one of my favorites I miss as well - Fraz urb luu - although there's no reason DMs can't house rule them back in. Or simply suggest that a given demon has several names it goes by, and takes on both old and new names.
Fraz-Urb'luu is in the Tome of Horrors. He's open content, as a result. If we'd WANTED to include him in Golarion, we could have. But in this case, we chose not to, because Fraz-urb'luu is a wholly created for D&D demon lord. And to be specific, he was created for the world of Greyhawk. He's got a HUGE role in that world, and is very tied to the setting's canon and history. As a result, since he has no real world myth to expound upon, we decided to not include him in Golarion—his "cool factor" is directly related to his history with Greyhawk, and that's not something I wanted to dilute by saying he's also in Golarion.
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Gah! You tease! We want that qlippoth book and we want it yesterday! Unless you were inferring something else? A protean gone bad??
SO! If you're looking for a replacement in Golarion for Obox-ob, he's Rovagug. He's not in the list of demons and demon lords, because Rovagug isn't a demon. He comes from something far, far older... and if we do a book about things that are far, far older than demons, you can bet we'll be talking about Rovagug in it!
Rovagug is chaotic evil.
Qlippoth are chaotic evil.Proteans are chaotic neutral.
Therefore, Rovagug is not a protean.
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Another one of my favorites I miss as well - Fraz urb luu - although there's no reason DMs can't house rule them back in. Or simply suggest that a given demon has several names it goes by, and takes on both old and new names.Fraz-Urb'luu is in the Tome of Horrors. He's open content, as a result. If we'd WANTED to include him in Golarion, we could have. But in this case, we chose not to, because Fraz-urb'luu is a wholly created for D&D demon lord. And to be specific, he was created for the world of Greyhawk. He's got a HUGE role in that world, and is very tied to the setting's canon and history. As a result, since he has no real world myth to expound upon, we decided to not include him in Golarion—his "cool factor" is directly related to his history with Greyhawk, and that's not something I wanted to dilute by saying he's also in Golarion.
Abraxas seems to me to be the natural fit for Fraz'urb luu... His final Incantation is a lot like Frazy's Disjunction touch.
--Vrocktoberfest
Gah! You tease! We want that qlippoth book and we want it yesterday! Unless you were inferring something else? A protean gone bad??
SO! If you're looking for a replacement in Golarion for Obox-ob, he's Rovagug. He's not in the list of demons and demon lords, because Rovagug isn't a demon. He comes from something far, far older... and if we do a book about things that are far, far older than demons, you can bet we'll be talking about Rovagug in it!
Rovagug is chaotic evil.
Qlippoth are chaotic evil.
Proteans are chaotic neutral.Therefore, Rovagug is not a protean.
Gosh... it's like you're trying to tell us something James.
Hmmm... Rovagug is chaotic evil... okay... [X] Check.And... Qlippoth are chaotic evil... got it... [X] Check... wait a second..
Knowledge (planes) check
I got it... I got it... sound of head exploding from sudden forbidden knowledge regarding Rovagug's origins
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As a result, since he has no real world myth to expound upon, we decided to not include him in Golarion—his "cool factor" is directly related to his history with Greyhawk, and that's not something I wanted to dilute by saying he's also in Golarion.
I'll give you that's a solid reason - I do like seeing names from old D&D lore surface up, gives the next generation of players some archaeology to do versus looking at you when you try to convince them a certain demon lord "was really cool back in the day".
Now I'm pining to play Tsojcanth again, but I can only imagine it would be painful by today's standards...
As a result, since he has no real world myth to expound upon, we decided to not include him in Golarion—his "cool factor" is directly related to his history with Greyhawk, and that's not something I wanted to dilute by saying he's also in Golarion.I'll give you that's a solid reason - I do like seeing names from old D&D lore surface up, gives the next generation of players some archaeology to do versus looking at you when you try to convince them a certain demon lord "was really cool back in the day".
Now I'm pining to play Tsojcanth again, but I can only imagine it would be painful by today's standards...
I think there was a 3.5 conversion on the wizards.com site. I think it is still there, but you might need google to find it.
Here is "Iggwilv's Legacy: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth". It is an update to 3.5 (and expansion) of the 1e module "S 4, The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth", and is meant for 4 PCs at L 11 (or 10 - 12).
Here is "Iggwilv's Legacy: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth". It is an update to 3.5 (and expansion) of the 1e module "S 4, The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth", and is meant for 4 PCs at L 11 (or 10 - 12).
Argh! I HATE how WotC keeps changing their website and making previously available stuff now unfindable. This, if nothing else, keeps on building up my dislike of the new team/management over there.
Agreed...