When making a Craft check to build something, you generally make checks by the week. You can also make checks by the day (dividing the result by the number of days in the week).
Why not use a static time frame for crafting rather than a variable? As written, it takes longer to make something in Forgotten Realms (10 day weeks) than it does in, say, Eberron (7 day weeks).
Shouldn't crafting times be based on, you know, actual time rather than calendar type?
It doesn't.
In a generic rulebook, with no other calendar-type references, 1 week = 7 days.
Stop metagaming.
Those guys in Eberron only know about their own calendars with 7 day weeks, and those guys in Faerun only know about their calendars with 10 day weeks.
Both of those universes are filled with craftsmen who are quite content with their crafting times because, to them, their own universe is the only one they know of or care about. It's the only universe that exists - to them.
So, for this to be a problem, you have to metagame. Apply out-of-character knowledge to generate in-character concerns.
For shame.
Bad RPer, very bad!
If you want to fix it, choose a standard. Earth has a standard, and we all live there, so we could use it for the standard: 7 day weeks. Divide the formulas in the RAW by 7 to get daily formulas. Now apply those across every campaign.
Voila! Universal conformity.
Unless some campaigns have days of different lengths. Could a craftsman even get 8 hours of crafting in a world that has 6-hour days?
I guess we better fall back on Earth standards again and divide your formulas by 8 to get the hourly progress rates, then apply those across every campaign?
Voila!?
Nope, maybe not. Some game worlds might have hours that are not 60 minutes long. We certainly don't want crafters in a world where hours are 80 minutes long to take 33% longer to craft items using our universal-hourly-progress rules. Back to Earth Standards and divide your formulas by 60 to get the per-minute rate and apply that across every campaign.
Voila?
Boy, I sure hope so.
I mean, trying to divide our d20 craft check by 3,360 to get our progress-per-minute rate is tedious.
You know what's even more tedious? The fact that it takes nearly 2,000 rolls of the d20 to perform those minute-long crafting checks just to make a +1 longsword.
I don't happen to have 2,000 actual d20 so I can't roll them all at once. It's gonna take me a couple hours to roll all these dice and track the results, I hope nobody has anything better to do...
Wow. Just. Wow. :|
Could you be any less trusting or positive?
Nobody should have to deal with that just for having asked such a simple question.
Like Arnwyn said, the main D&D/PRPG books have always been setting-neutral, so the time passage is based on the real world. The mistake that was made was not adjusting the crafting times in the Forgotten Realms books when they were published. The same can be said about any other setting that has a week that is not 7 days long. If you are running a FR campaign just rule that a crafting check is done once every seven days instead of once a week in order to match the core rules.
Heck in Ars Magica.. crafting times are expressed in SEASONS.
And required the investment of vis - far more rare and valuable than simple gp, or possibly even xp.
Wow. Just. Wow. :|
Could you be any less trusting or positive?
Nobody should have to deal with that just for having asked such a simple question.
I was, uh, going for comedy. After all, I don't think you took your own post very seriously so I didn't expect you to take mine too seriously. I thought it was sufficiently over-the-top to express that; sorry if it didn't come across that way.
This is a very important topic! It's outrageous, and I'm sure there's a Labor Union conspiracy at the heart of it! I'm also outraged that my rings of elemental command are weaker in the Forgotten realms with their weekly powers!!!
All I know is, if I was in a game, and had influence on a local ruler, I'd have him or her pass an edict to shorten the week to 3 days, just so all the craft mages would flock there and flood the region with magical items.
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One of my players just finished his 10th-level character, a summoner meant to replace his fighter who just perished.
When I asked to see his character and eidolon stats, he showed me this:
** spoiler omitted **...
A) I hope this is a joke.
B) How is this related?C) I'd tell them what I told my summoner: Four arm limit. Max attacks applies to all, not just natural.
As to the original thing, I would just make a one-time adjustment to the craft time (maybe throw a multiplier on there to compensate) and call it good. So a week of crafting in a 10-day week world would be 10/7 * the normal result. This amounts to roughly 1.43x, so I'd round it to 1.4 and call it good.
If it was really weird and 47 minute hours, 17 hour days and 9-day weeks, it'd be 47/60 * 17/24 * 9/7 for roughly 0.7x. Still doing checks by the week, just a multiplier. Annoying? Sure, but so is the craft system in general, so oh well. I imagine there would be a lot more annoying fall-out to this calendar than the craft time multiplier though.
One of my players just finished his 10th-level character, a summoner meant to replace his fighter who just perished.
When I asked to see his character and eidolon stats, he showed me this:
** spoiler omitted **...
Did you just hijack your own thread?
:)
One of my players just finished his 10th-level character, a summoner meant to replace his fighter who just perished.
When I asked to see his character and eidolon stats, he showed me this:
** spoiler omitted **...
Did you just hijack your own thread?
:)
Forum monster got a hold of it. Twice it would seem. I thought I deleted it once I realized it went to the wrong thread.
EDIT: There. All gone now.
Strange that it would let me delete it hours later. I thought there was a restriction against that.
Well, unless crafters work every day of the week, shouldn't the time frame be for 5 days work per 7 day week?
*innocent look on his face*
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Well, unless crafters work every day of the week, shouldn't the time frame be for 5 days work per 7 day week?
*innocent look on his face*
Not in Cheliax. In Cheliax, you work eight days a week. A mage will be by to cast Time Stop for you by quitting time on, oh let's say, tomorrow. If it ever comes. Now back to work, slave!
