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Shimrath |
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The demonic form of Adimarchus has the following listed under the Attack entry:
Attack: +42 melee (2d6+23/17–20 plus special, Ashen Blade) and +34 melee (1d6+6 plus 1d4 negative levels, 4 tentacles)
A single strike with the blade in addition to all four tentacles? Seems like it should be a single attack with either the Blade or a tentacle. Am i missing something?
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Darkmeer |
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The demonic form of Adimarchus has the following listed under the Attack entry:
Attack: +42 melee (2d6+23/17–20 plus special, Ashen Blade) and +34 melee (1d6+6 plus 1d4 negative levels, 4 tentacles)
A single strike with the blade in addition to all four tentacles? Seems like it should be a single attack with either the Blade or a tentacle. Am i missing something?
Would you rather it be +42/+37/+32/+27 for a full attack with the Ashen Blade?
Really, it's just a primary attack and 4 secondary attacks (think of how a dragon attacks, Bite/Claw/Claw/Wing/Wing/Tail, and this makes a lot of sense). Also, a 20th (or higher) level party would chew him up and spit him out faster if he weren't so tough. This is a hard encounter, and this is just the tip of the iceberg with this great demon lord.
I hope this helps.
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Shimrath |
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Would you rather it be +42/+37/+32/+27 for a full attack with the Ashen Blade?
This is not a question of whether or not Adimarchus is challenging enough, it's a basic rules question. When he makes a Full Attack action, he would indeed attack at the rate you list above. . .in addition to his 4 tentacle attacks. I'm asking specifically about his Attack entry, not Full Attack. My impression of the 3.5 rules, after DMing up to 19th level, is that you only get a single attack under the Attack entry. Thus, Adimarchus' 4 tentacles would seem in violation of the basic rules governing Attacks / Full Attacks.
Correct?
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Are |
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Darkmeer wrote:Would you rather it be +42/+37/+32/+27 for a full attack with the Ashen Blade?This is not a question of whether or not Adimarchus is challenging enough, it's a basic rules question. When he makes a Full Attack action, he would indeed attack at the rate you list above. . .in addition to his 4 tentacle attacks. I'm asking specifically about his Attack entry, not Full Attack. My impression of the 3.5 rules, after DMing up to 19th level, is that you only get a single attack under the Attack entry. Thus, Adimarchus' 4 tentacles would seem in violation of the basic rules governing Attacks / Full Attacks.
Correct?
That is usually correct, yes.
Since both the Attack and Full Attack routines are printed separately, I'd wager that Adimarchus, being a unique Demon Prince and all, is able to always attack with all of his tentacles even if he's taking a standard action to attack. The statblock really should mention that somewhere, though, but that is how I'd play it.
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Darkmeer |
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Color me purple... doublechecking now... You're right, I had mis-recalled this. I thought the full attack was the ashen blade once and the 4 tentacles.
Yes, he's probably got some ability similar to Pounce with those tentacles (allowing all to strike regardless of a full or standard attack). Nothing in the stat block either...
Sorry for not doublechecking before I posted above.
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