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I lived in Texas for 11 years, and I'll never live there again. I have a lot of friends there that are really cool people; but I've never lived in a more backwards place IMHO. Having said that, Oklahoma and Arkansas aren't much better. And if it's your favorite place to live, more power to you. Everyone is different, thank the gods.
Maybe you shouldn't insult entire states. It makes you sound a bit mean-spirited.
I lived in Texas for 11 years, and I'll never live there again. I have a lot of friends there that are really cool people; but I've never lived in a more backwards place IMHO. Having said that, Oklahoma and Arkansas aren't much better. And if it's your favorite place to live, more power to you. Everyone is different, thank the gods.Maybe you shouldn't insult entire states. It makes you sound a bit mean-spirited.
+1.
I lived in Texas for three years. I found it much like any other place you go: It had good folks, it had bad folks. I actually liked the culture, very refreshing change from the Uber PC surface/undercurrent of massive predjudice that defines my home state of Massachusetts. I found the average Texan was much more amenable to differing cultures that the average New Englander would be, perhaps living next to Mexico had something to do with it, IDK.
I didn't like the big sky. Or the dry heat. Or the lack of trees (I know, that's just West Texas, but that's where I was). I like Massachustetts because of its climate, not because culturally it is superior to Texas, because it isn't. It's the hypocrite state: Holier-than-thou until you get off camera, then its bigotry puts most Texans to shame.
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I agree that we should get rid of the extreme right. And the extreme left, especially those brain dead Obambies that think the guy is a messiah. This b##@%&%+ with talking crap about conservatives is getting old. I love the whole "Those stupid inbred uneducated republicans are bigots and I hate them because they aren't like me". Stop and think about that, it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Ok I'm just going to cut paste and reprint what I've said before.
Ok maybe people missed it, but I said I have a problem with the people specifically the ones who wrote it, and support it. So do I have a problem with texas as a whole no, disagreements in social ideology yes. But I do not hate texans. So stop trying to color me as someone who hates Texas because that isn't the case even in the the title to the thread I specifically said texas GOP, because that is who the article referred too. Thank you very much.
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Maybe this sounds stupid but why don't the parties decide to disassociate with these extreme elements? It would seem the smart thing to do.
Yes, yes it would. Even better would be for voters to actually research a candidates voting record rather than resorting to "he's against blah blah blah". I can't tell you how many times in the last Presidential Election I heard "I'm voting for Obama because we don't need 4 more years of Bush!"... uhm Bush wasn't running. The political mindset in this country is insane, to damn many people can only quote either MSNBC or Fox news. Damn sheeple is what they are.
The Republican Party of Texas is the state branch of the Republican Party. It is one of the two major political parties in Texas, the other being the Texas Democratic Party. At the state level, it is not in any way a "fringe group."
Gary was quoting Wikipedia, which states "The Republican Party of Texas is the affiliate of the Republican Party in Texas, headquartered in Downtown Austin." The thing is, that's not "Republican Party in Texas" (as there is no entity named that), but rather "Republican Party" (national organization), in Texas. The distinction is important, because it means the people defending Texas Republicans on the basis of these views being "fringe" are missing that this is what the party, at the state level, lists as its platform.
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Maybe this sounds stupid but why don't the parties decide to disassociate with these extreme elements? It would seem the smart thing to do.Yes, yes it would. Even better would be for voters to actually research a candidates voting record rather than resorting to "he's against blah blah blah". I can't tell you how many times in the last Presidential Election I heard "I'm voting for Obama because we don't need 4 more years of Bush!"... uhm Bush wasn't running. The political mindset in this country is insane, to damn many people can only quote either MSNBC or Fox news. Damn sheeple is what they are.
While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.
Ok I'm just going to cut paste and reprint what I've said before.
Ok maybe people missed it, but I said I have a problem with the people specifically the ones who wrote it, and support it. So do I have a problem with texas as a whole no, disagreements in social ideology yes. But I do not hate texans. So stop trying to color me as someone who hates Texas because that isn't the case even in the the title to the thread I specifically said texas GOP, because that is who the article referred too. Thank you very much.
Jeremy, I don't think it's you that people are reacting to, rather the horde of Texas-bashers that stampeded into the thread directly after you. Why not tell them to knock it off?
The Republican Party of Texas is the state branch of the Republican Party. It is one of the two major political parties in Texas, the other being the Texas Democratic Party. At the state level, it is not in any way a "fringe group."
Gary was quoting Wikipedia, which states "The Republican Party of Texas is the affiliate of the Republican Party in Texas, headquartered in Downtown Austin." The thing is, that's not "Republican Party in Texas" (as there is no entity named that), but rather "Republican Party" (national organization), in Texas. The distinction is important, because it means the people defending Texas Republicans on the basis of these views being "fringe" are missing that this is what the party, at the state level, lists as its platform.
Going back and rereading I think you're right. My apologies to misleading anyone.
While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.
Yeah her, and Keith Olbermann while we are at it. That man scares me.
I'm scarier than Ann Coulter! I told that hoochy off! Why won't anybody watch my network!!!
This thread started in a bad place from post one. Everything after that was just icing on the cake, frankly. It was never a good idea to start with.
I disagree; it might be a useful service to people in Texas, so they'll see what the Republican Party here actually stands for. Ideally, someone can then found a Fiscal Conservative Party of Texas or something, for people who prefer more focus on economic issues and fewer pages ranting about the evils of gays.
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While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.Yeah her, and Keith Olbermann while we are at it. That man scares me.
Yeah both of them seem to have that fanatical look in their eye. It just seems so unnatural and scary.
Yeah both of them seem to have that fanatical look in their eye. It just seems so unnatural and scary.While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.Yeah her, and Keith Olbermann while we are at it. That man scares me.
Zealots and fanatics are scary no matter what political stripe they come from...
This thread started in a bad place from post one. Everything after that was just icing on the cake, frankly. It was never a good idea to start with.I disagree; it might be a useful service to people in Texas, so they'll see what the Republican Party here actually stands for. Ideally, someone can then found a Fiscal Conservative Party of Texas or something, for people who prefer more focus on economic issues and fewer pages ranting about the evils of gays.
Maybe here? Libertarian Party of Texas
Just a thought ..
Maybe here? Libertarian Party of Texas Just a thought ..
I very strongly support about 90% of their platform. In fact, it sounds like I wrote it. Unfortunately, the other 10% seems to be what they're all about: eliminate all taxes, disband the government, and make everyone slaves of the new corporate overlords.
Maybe here? Libertarian Party of Texas Just a thought ..I very strongly support about 90% of their platform. In fact, it sounds like I wrote it. Unfortunately, the other 10% seems to be what they're all about: eliminate all taxes, disband the government, and make everyone slaves of the new corporate overlords.
Once again, it is the 'fringe' (typically the 'Anarcho-capitalists') that espouses total disbanding of the government. Most more moderate Libertarians realize that government has a role to play. And corporations running everything is just as bad as the government running everything. But there should be a balance, and currently the government is WAY out of whack.
But there should be a balance, and currently the government is WAY out of whack.
No argument from me. But I live in Texas, and they tend to get a bit wacky about politics here (and a lot of the "libertarians" I know are nothing of the sort -- they're the people who though the Texas Republicans were "too leftist"). For what it's worth, I suspect that almost anywhere else, I'd be registered Libertarian.
But there should be a balance, and currently the government is WAY out of whack.No argument from me. But I live in Texas, and they tend to get a bit wacky about politics here (and a lot of the "libertarians" I know are nothing of the sort -- they're the people who though the Texas Republicans were "too leftist"). For what it's worth, I suspect that almost anywhere else, I'd be registered Libertarian.
And the argument comes full circle. Never assume that a political party is in total agreement with their fringe.
The 'Pubs have the Anti-gay Dominionists.
The 'Crats have the Communists.
The Libertarians have their Anarcho-Capitalists.
None of these fringes represent the majority of any of the parties. And politics get whacky everywhere. You should see the level of governmental corruption a one-party state can get up to (well, maybe TX is a one-party state too, IDK) We have had three successive Mass House Speakers indicted on corruption charges. Thanks Mass Democratic party!
When I moved away from the Northeast, I was happy as hell to get away from the pseudo-Communist, head-in-the-clouds, corrupt, brain-dead Democrat royalty. Here in Texas, I'd like to see a lot less of the Dominionist, pro-big-business, anti-science, death-to-gays people.
This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.
*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
Is there an up or down vote by the delegates at the state convention for new platform planks or is the platform determined entirely by committee?
Here in Colorado the state platform/resolution committee consolidates the county resolutions for the delegate vote at the state convention.
*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
Is there an up or down vote by the delegates at the state convention for new platform planks or is the platform determined entirely by committee?
Here in Colorado the state platform/resolution committee consolidates the county resolutions for the delegate vote at the state convention.
That, I don't know.
The reality these days with both parties seems to be which parts of the bill of rights they wanna ignore, the left (extremists) hates free speech and gun rights and the right (extremists) seem to hate our rights to privacy and to some extent freedom of religion... The far fringe of both groups have lost touch with the constitution... You know its bad when Congressman say thing like I don't care what the constitution says, this is the right thing to do... Now correct mer if I'm wrong but that statement is a violation of their oath of office, ANYONE, on either side with that attitude must be impeached. As long as we ignore the blatant and criminal misbehavior of some of our government officials things will never work the way the founding fathers planned it. Of course the original concept of our government and its checks and balances we're supposed to curtail this it seems to have hiccuped of late.
The idealogues and politicians have forgotten the key thing in all this, They are supposed to represent the people, not their philosophies, parties or special interests. The first and primary responsibility of our government is to uphold the constitution and for the last 30 years both sides have peeled away some of our basic liberties. We need a better way to vet the people who serve us and harsher and more drastic punishments for those that ignore the oath they took to the constitution and their fiduciary responsibility as elected officials. Also perhaps we need more stringent restrictions on who can vote in this country, perhaps requiring a HS diploma or GED, perhaps an IQ test, perhaps some form of Civil/Military or Community service... I don't have all the answers but I can clearly see some of the problems. I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed for this but its time we realize that its the Constitution that most perfect of imperfect documants that is the canvas with which our country has been drawn.
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*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
Yeah, what the heck happened?
Yeah, what the heck happened?*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
As the Democrat Party starting going further and further to the left, the Christian right jumped ship to the Republicans. It had a lot to due with the Dems approval of abortion, something the Christian right couldn't abide.
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As the Democrat Party starting going further and further to the left, the Christian right jumped ship to the Republicans. It had a lot to due with the Dems approval of abortion, something the Christian right couldn't abide.Yeah, what the heck happened?*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
It seems they've managed to infiltrate every layer of the Republicans now in the media. They speak for everyone there, even if they're not really representative of all the values of the Republican party. I see why so many are jumping ship to the Libertarians now. I'm a liberal atheist, but I miss the old Republicans who talked about fiscal responsibility and practicality. It's a view in the party that is becoming increasingly marginalized as the squeaky wheel gets the grease (in this case air-time, newspaper articles, and so forth). The extremes of both main parties offer a better story, higher ratings as a result.
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While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.Maybe this sounds stupid but why don't the parties decide to disassociate with these extreme elements? It would seem the smart thing to do.Yes, yes it would. Even better would be for voters to actually research a candidates voting record rather than resorting to "he's against blah blah blah". I can't tell you how many times in the last Presidential Election I heard "I'm voting for Obama because we don't need 4 more years of Bush!"... uhm Bush wasn't running. The political mindset in this country is insane, to damn many people can only quote either MSNBC or Fox news. Damn sheeple is what they are.
Well lets face it, the only reason she is still on is that she is prettier then Rush Limbaugh.
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Well lets face it, the only reason she is still on is that she is prettier then Rush Limbaugh.While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.Maybe this sounds stupid but why don't the parties decide to disassociate with these extreme elements? It would seem the smart thing to do.Yes, yes it would. Even better would be for voters to actually research a candidates voting record rather than resorting to "he's against blah blah blah". I can't tell you how many times in the last Presidential Election I heard "I'm voting for Obama because we don't need 4 more years of Bush!"... uhm Bush wasn't running. The political mindset in this country is insane, to damn many people can only quote either MSNBC or Fox news. Damn sheeple is what they are.
That's debatable.
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As the Democrat Party starting going further and further to the left, the Christian right jumped ship to the Republicans. It had a lot to due with the Dems approval of abortion, something the Christian right couldn't abide.Yeah, what the heck happened?*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
It seems they've managed to infiltrate every layer of the Republicans now in the media. They speak for everyone there, even if they're not really representative of all the values of the Republican party. I see why so many are jumping ship to the Libertarians now. I'm a liberal atheist, but I miss the old Republicans who talked about fiscal responsibility and practicality. It's a view in the party that is becoming increasingly marginalized as the squeaky wheel gets the grease (in this case air-time, newspaper articles, and so forth). The extremes of both main parties offer a better story, higher ratings as a result.
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As do I stuffy. I am politically an Old School fiscally conservative Republican. Small properly managed government. Equality and parity along most lines between Federal and State rights. I wouldn't mind a religion class, preferably a comparative religious class, in school as long as it stays out of the science classroom.
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That's debatable.Well lets face it, the only reason she is still on is that she is prettier then Rush Limbaugh.While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.Maybe this sounds stupid but why don't the parties decide to disassociate with these extreme elements? It would seem the smart thing to do.Yes, yes it would. Even better would be for voters to actually research a candidates voting record rather than resorting to "he's against blah blah blah". I can't tell you how many times in the last Presidential Election I heard "I'm voting for Obama because we don't need 4 more years of Bush!"... uhm Bush wasn't running. The political mindset in this country is insane, to damn many people can only quote either MSNBC or Fox news. Damn sheeple is what they are.
You think Rush is more attractive?!?!?!?
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As the Democrat Party starting going further and further to the left, the Christian right jumped ship to the Republicans. It had a lot to due with the Dems approval of abortion, something the Christian right couldn't abide.Yeah, what the heck happened?*sigh* I liked it better when the religious kooks were with the Democrat party.This seems to be the Texas GOP platform.
TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony
PDF (see page 7)
It seems they've managed to infiltrate every layer of the Republicans now in the media. They speak for everyone there, even if they're not really representative of all the values of the Republican party. I see why so many are jumping ship to the Libertarians now. I'm a liberal atheist, but I miss the old Republicans who talked about fiscal responsibility and practicality. It's a view in the party that is becoming increasingly marginalized as the squeaky wheel gets the grease (in this case air-time, newspaper articles, and so forth). The extremes of both main parties offer a better story, higher ratings as a result.
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As do I stuffy. I am politically an Old School fiscally conservative Republican. Small properly managed government. Equality and parity along most lines between Federal and State rights. I wouldn't mind a religion class, preferably a comparative religious class, in school as long as it stays out of the science classroom.
i would be in favor of a religiously neutral comparative religions class, as part of a social studies curriculum. Basically teach kids how to understand others beliefs.
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You think Rush is more attractive?!?!?!?That's debatable.Well lets face it, the only reason she is still on is that she is prettier then Rush Limbaugh.While we're at it can we get rid of Ann Coulter that woman frightens me, as in I get the supernatural evil chills whenever she appears on tv.Maybe this sounds stupid but why don't the parties decide to disassociate with these extreme elements? It would seem the smart thing to do.Yes, yes it would. Even better would be for voters to actually research a candidates voting record rather than resorting to "he's against blah blah blah". I can't tell you how many times in the last Presidential Election I heard "I'm voting for Obama because we don't need 4 more years of Bush!"... uhm Bush wasn't running. The political mindset in this country is insane, to damn many people can only quote either MSNBC or Fox news. Damn sheeple is what they are.
I think Ann looks like a man. I don't dig men, hence, well, comparing two men, it's debatable whom is more attractive. Some people are chubby chasers, some people dig up skeletons. coin flip, really.
The reality these days with both parties seems to be which parts of the bill of rights they wanna ignore, the left (extremists) hates free speech and gun rights and the right (extremists) seem to hate our rights to privacy and to some extent freedom of religion... The far fringe of both groups have lost touch with the constitution... You know its bad when Congressman say thing like I don't care what the constitution says, this is the right thing to do... Now correct mer if I'm wrong but that statement is a violation of their oath of office, ANYONE, on either side with that attitude must be impeached. As long as we ignore the blatant and criminal misbehavior of some of our government officials things will never work the way the founding fathers planned it. Of course the original concept of our government and its checks and balances we're supposed to curtail this it seems to have hiccuped of late.
The idealogues and politicians have forgotten the key thing in all this, They are supposed to represent the people, not their philosophies, parties or special interests. The first and primary responsibility of our government is to uphold the constitution and for the last 30 years both sides have peeled away some of our basic liberties. We need a better way to vet the people who serve us and harsher and more drastic punishments for those that ignore the oath they took to the constitution and their fiduciary responsibility as elected officials. Also perhaps we need more stringent restrictions on who can vote in this country, perhaps requiring a HS diploma or GED, perhaps an IQ test, perhaps some form of Civil/Military or Community service... I don't have all the answers but I can clearly see some of the problems. I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed for this but its time we realize that its the Constitution that most perfect of imperfect documants that is the canvas with which our country has been drawn.
I find it funny, the whole discussion of how these various groups ignore bits and pieces of the constitution and then a suggestion to disenfranchise entire sections of the population of their constitutional rights to vote.
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i would be in favor of a religiously neutral comparative religions class, as part of a social studies curriculum. Basically teach kids how to understand others beliefs.As do I stuffy. I am politically an Old School fiscally conservative Republican. Small properly managed government. Equality and parity along most lines between Federal and State rights. I wouldn't mind a religion class, preferably a comparative religious class, in school as long as it stays out of the science classroom.
I have no issue with this. I think that all high school students should have to take a logic and rhetoric class, a comparative religion class, and philosophy. I miss the trivium.
HOLY CRAP WE AGREED ON SOMETHING! IT CAN BE ACHIEVED!
If you all join hands and sing "Kumbaya," I'm leaving.
You should see me other thread then.Thanks for that vote of confidence Treppa and TOZ.
*Hugs all around*
Compromising positions?
I removed a fistful of posts. Be polite. No personal attacks. And certainly no talking down to someone just because they disagree with you.