Bard Buff Question: Do Inspire Courage and Heroism stack?


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I did a search and found some references to the fact that a Bard's "Inspire Courage" ability doesn't stack with "Heroism" because they are both 'morale bonuses'.

YET

According to the handbook, "Inspire Courage" is a 'morale bonus' w/r/t saving throws but a 'competence bonus' w/r/t attack and dmg rolls.

Also, according to Treantmonk's guide, they do stack.

So which is right? Do they stack or not?


Corky Thatcher wrote:

I did a search and found some references to the fact that a Bard's "Inspire Courage" ability doesn't stack with "Heroism" because they are both 'morale bonuses'.

YET

According to the handbook, "Inspire Courage" is a 'morale bonus' w/r/t saving throws but a 'competence bonus' w/r/t attack and dmg rolls.

Also, according to Treantmonk's guide, they do stack.

So which is right? Do they stack or not?

In Pathfinder they stack.

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More specifically:

The bonus to attack rolls from Inspire Courage would stack with the bonus from heroism, since one is a 'competence' bonus and the other is a 'morale' bonus (different bonuses stack).

However, the bonus to saves from Inspire Courage would NOT stack with the bonus from heroism, since both are 'morale' bonuses (same-type bonuses don't stack). Only the highest bonus would apply in this case.

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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

More specifically:

The bonus to attack rolls from Inspire Courage would stack with the bonus from heroism, since one is a 'competence' bonus and the other is a 'morale' bonus (different bonuses stack).

However, the bonus to saves from Inspire Courage would NOT stack with the bonus from heroism, since both are 'morale' bonuses (same-type bonuses don't stack). Only the highest bonus would apply in this case.

precisely. Why is there confusion over this?

==Aelryinth


Aelryinth wrote:


precisely. Why is there confusion over this?

==Aelryinth

Because there are quite a few threads and information on the internet stating that they DO NOT stack because they are both morale bonuses.

Thanks for your help everyone.


Corky Thatcher wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:


precisely. Why is there confusion over this?

==Aelryinth

Because there are quite a few threads and information on the internet stating that they DO NOT stack because they are both morale bonuses.

Thanks for your help everyone.

In 3.5, Inspire Courage was a morale bonus. I know I made at least 1 post before I realized this change, and saw others. One of the problems with minor things like that in the conversion.


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Corky Thatcher wrote:
Because there are quite a few threads and information on the internet stating that they DO NOT stack because they are both morale bonuses.

This is probably due to the the fact that in 3.5, all bonuses from the inspire courage ability were morale bonuses, and the posters on those threads were unaware that in Pathfinder, the attack and damage bonuses were changed to competence bonuses.

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