According to RAW people do not get a Will save just because the spell belongs to a specific school and invisibility does not allow a save to "see through it"- however if your entire party of players wishes to house rule that invisibility can be dis-believed then go right ahead... but be warned this is a very slippery slope.
Many creatures use invisibility such as fey, high level casters (not just illusionists) and some magical beasts if your players can see through this just by Will saving, then the dynamic of these encounters is changed.
Remember the most important rule is having fun with your friends. If you want to change invisibility then go right ahead if it makes your game more enjoyable. Just remember it changes the way the game functions as well :-)
A friend of mine has discovered that invisibility is of the glamor subtype. He has decided that this means if you cast invisibility (and/or greater) this means that anybody who sees it gets a will save as "somethings not right".
By this line of reasoning, Magic Missile is an evocation spell, so I have decided that this means if you cast Magic Missile at me I get a save to avoid the damage.
Not all spells are created equal, even if they are of the same school or subtype.
Look at it this way:
A typical illusion creates something you see or hear. It's there, in front of you. You perceive it. The question is, are you sharp enough (high enough Will save) to see it for what it really is?
But Invisibility does the opposite. It takes away something from your perception. There is nothing there for you to see or perceive. There is nothing there for you to see it for what it really is because there is nothing to see.
In the first case, you see the illusion but it doesn't look quite right, but in the second case you can't see anything at all so it cannot fail to look right.
This is the reason that Invisibility doesn't allow a saving throw to see the invisible subject.
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First, nowhere in the rules does it say that (glamer) spells automatically get a will save to disbelieve.
Second, the Will save that Invisibility does have, is to negate someone casting it on you in the first place.
Third, though spellcrafting the spell as it's being cast is a good idea, that doesn't mean you automatically get to see the creature.
It sounds like this "other friend" knows what he's talking about.
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Yes i think my friend is confusing page 211. It says to get a saving throw you have to study it. Which is impossible, you are invisible.First, nowhere in the rules does it say that (glamer) spells automatically get a will save to disbelieve.
Second, the Will save that Invisibility does have, is to negate someone casting it on you in the first place.
Third, though spellcrafting the spell as it's being cast is a good idea, that doesn't mean you automatically get to see the creature.
It sounds like this "other friend" knows what he's talking about.
Ja, it looks like he is. That entry is for Will Save (Disbelief) illusions. Which, invisibility is not.