Wands with Metamagic


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Can a caster create a wand of a metamagiced spell? I'm building a BBEG caster who would have crafted a wand of Extended Mage Armor that he uses each morning.


Sure. 2nd Level x 12 caster level (presumably) x 750 = 18000.

It should be noted that this is more expensive than Bracers of Armor +4.

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Talynonyx wrote:
Can a caster create a wand of a metamagiced spell? I'm building a BBEG caster who would have crafted a wand of Extended Mage Armor that he uses each morning.

Yes

Magic Items and Metamagic Spells:
With the right item creation feat, you can store a metamagic version of a spell in a scroll, potion, or wand. Level limits for potions and wands apply to the spell's higher spell level (after the application of the metamagic feat). A character doesn't need the metamagic feat to activate an item storing a metamagic version of a spell.

That's at the very bottom of the section describing feats.


Yes you can.

Magic Items and Metamagic Spells: With the right
item creation feat, you can store a metamagic version of a
spell in a scroll, potion, or wand. Level limits for potions
and wands apply to the spell’s higher spell level (after the
application of the metamagic feat). A character doesn’t
need the metamagic feat to activate an item storing a
metamagic version of a spell.

The cost of the wand would be higher to allow for the modified spell level

as noted Mage Armor + Extend = 2nd level

Cost = (2xCaster Levelx750)

Note: cost of a wand that lasts 24 hr = 360gp/charge


Thanks for the quick replies. And you're right... the Bracers of Armor +4 would be cheaper. Oh well, the things we sacrifice for concept.

Wait a second... do I really want my party getting their grubby hands on something like that? I think they all wear armor already.


Majuba wrote:

Sure. 2nd Level x 12 caster level (presumably) x 750 = 18000.

It should be noted that this is more expensive than Bracers of Armor +4.

But now he has the arms magic item slot open for something else ;)

There's always a trade-off.


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Majuba wrote:

Sure. 2nd Level x 12 caster level (presumably) x 750 = 18000.

It should be noted that this is more expensive than Bracers of Armor +4.

A wand of Extended mage armor (CL 6) would last 12 hours per charge and cost only 2 (spell level) x 6 (caster level) x 750 = 9,000 gp. Sure, the BBEG caster would need to use it twice a day instead of just once (or be prepared to use a spell slot or scroll if needed during the other half of the day), but gives a +4 armor bonus for the cost of bracers of armor +3.

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Talynonyx wrote:
Wait a second... do I really want my party getting their grubby hands on something like that? I think they all wear armor already.

Then it wouldn't really help them out if they were all already in armor. :)


Talynonyx wrote:
Wait a second... do I really want my party getting their grubby hands on something like that? I think they all wear armor already.

Well, if that's the case, then really you're asking if you want them to get ahold of 9,000 gp (half price for selling a wand they will never use and therefore would not want to keep). Or you could just give it something like 8 charges left becaue the BBEG used it a lot, so the sell-for-quick-cash price would be around 1,500 gp.

There's also no reason it must be created at CL 12. Maybe the creator was a bit short on funds, or maybe he figured he could sleep safely at home most nights, or maybe he just figured on using two charges each day. Whatever the reason, you could create it at a lower CL like 6.

2 x 6 x 750 = 9,000 gp or 180 gp/charge, and if you give it just 8 charges, this item would be worth 1,440 gp and the PCs could probably sell it for a mere 720 gp.

Not much harm in that falling into their hands...

But, I must ask, who would even be able to use this wand if everyone's wearing armor? You have to have this spell on your list (Sorceror or Wizard) to use the wand in the first place, unless they're relying on Use Magical Device for stuff like this.


The only thing I guess they would use it with would be the Ranger's animal companion. So it's not so bad, especially since I don't think any of them have it on their spell list since the only arcane caster is a Bard... no biggie then.

Of course, it might be useful for the Paladin to keep around if he had UMD for those night ambushes. Nearly got him once with that.

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Mithril Chain Shirt +1 is 2100 gp and gives you +5 to your AC, much better for sleeping paladins. :)


Morgen wrote:
Mithril Chain Shirt +1 is 2100 gp and gives you +5 to your AC, much better for sleeping paladins. :)

We used to have studded leather PJ's but mithril shirts might be more fashionable anyway.

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Remco Sommeling wrote:
We used to have studded leather PJ's but mithril shirts might be more fashionable anyway.

Absolutely nothing wrong with being thrifty!


Morgen wrote:
Remco Sommeling wrote:
We used to have studded leather PJ's but mithril shirts might be more fashionable anyway.
Absolutely nothing wrong with being thrifty!

Potion of mage armor-- 50gp

Using it at the start of a night fight--1 action
A night's sleep without the pinching and prodding or armor--priceless

While there is no mechanical issues with sleeping in light armor, it can't be very comfortable. I can see it while on the trail, or holed up in a barricaded room in a dungeon. But if you are staying at an inn, or not sleeping alone, you might want other options. While a second suit of armor doesn't weight that much, it does cut into your encumbrance. Potions of mage armor are cheep, small, and give you an hour to deal with the immediate threat and suit up into your normal combat gear. As an added bonus, you can use them when fighting ghosts and the like where 4 points of force based AC is better then that platemail you are using.

A potion of mage armor on the nightstand and a dagger under your pillow. Just because you are relaxing doesn't mean you aren't ready for a fight.

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Khuldar wrote:

Potion of mage armor-- 50gp

Using it at the start of a night fight--1 action
A night's sleep without the pinching and prodding or armor--priceless

As a spell with range of "personal", Mage Armor is not able to be made into a potion. The possible exception of that being an Alchemist (the base class from APG).


Laughing Goblin wrote:
Khuldar wrote:

Potion of mage armor-- 50gp

Using it at the start of a night fight--1 action
A night's sleep without the pinching and prodding or armor--priceless
As a spell with range of "personal", Mage Armor is not able to be made into a potion. The possible exception of that being an Alchemist (the base class from APG).

Mage Armor has a range of touch.

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Talynonyx wrote:
Mage Armor has a range of touch.

Holy crap, sorry about that. I could have sworn they were range personal. Looks like it wasn't even personal in 3.5 I have no idea what I was thinking.


Laughing Goblin wrote:
Talynonyx wrote:
Mage Armor has a range of touch.
Holy crap, sorry about that. I could have sworn they were range personal. Looks like it wasn't even personal in 3.5 I have no idea what I was thinking.

That does remind me I should point out that the party has an Alchemist back at their castle...


This is reminding me of something I am thinking of giving a sorceress. A wand of magic missile with either or both Empower Spell and Maximize Spell.


Laughing Goblin wrote:
Holy crap, sorry about that. I could have sworn they were range personal. Looks like it wasn't even personal in 3.5 I have no idea what I was thinking.

You probably thought of shield.


The cost for the materials is subsumed in the cost for creating the wand: 375 gp × the level of the spell × the level of the caster.

so wouldn't a wand of extended mage armor look something like

2(spell level) x 6(Caster level) = 12 x 375 = 4500

9000 would be the base price (or market price if you bought it) for the purposes of determining how long it would take to create. not the price that the PC or NPC creator has to pay. After all it would make no sense to sell an object for its exact cost.

the discount is part of the benefit taking the feat

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Morgen wrote:
Mithril Chain Shirt +1 is 2100 gp and gives you +5 to your AC, much better for sleeping paladins. :)

We refer to such things as "pajamas" and most of my characters, PFS and otherwise, have a pair.


Sleepy fighters in my game tend to have an armored coat emblazoned with sheep and crescent moons, and sleep under it like a blanket, leaving it in easy reach for armoring up with a single action if roughly awoken.


Drejk wrote:
Laughing Goblin wrote:
Holy crap, sorry about that. I could have sworn they were range personal. Looks like it wasn't even personal in 3.5 I have no idea what I was thinking.
You probably thought of shield.

I never understood this restriction. Yes, it's a way to get spells onto characters who'do normally be invalid. That's good - it allows players to be clever and I has a cost to it (actions and money).

It bypasses the need to be a caster - how you'd need to use a relevant wand or scroll (UMD nonwithstanding), but that's the whole point of potions.

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