Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ...
I qualify as a Tertiary offense. Just ask my mom.
I'm a lawbreaker.
You monster!
Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ...I qualify as a Tertiary offense. Just ask my mom.
Only in Arizona.
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and here's where your argument goes off the rails, as the law does not allow for that. The person who is being asked for papers has to be doing something to warrant police attention in the first place. It's like some states seat belt laws, you can't be pulled over just for being un-buckled you have to be breaking some other driving law and get pulled over while not wearing your seatbelt. Same here, they have to be breaking the law in some other way, then if the police suspect they are illegal they can ask for their papers.Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ... in exchange to get funded grants from the Federales. I think that happened last July, but I'd have to double check to confirm.
Heh they just changed it in FL too, now you can be pulled over for not having a seatbelt on.
Only in Arizona.Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ...I qualify as a Tertiary offense. Just ask my mom.
Nuh uh! I'm offensive everywhere. Just ask around!
and here's where your argument goes off the rails, as the law does not allow for that. The person who is being asked for papers has to be doing something to warrant police attention in the first place. It's like some states seat belt laws, you can't be pulled over just for being un-buckled you have to be breaking some other driving law and get pulled over while not wearing your seatbelt. Same here, they have to be breaking the law in some other way, then if the police suspect they are illegal they can ask for their papers.Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ... in exchange to get funded grants from the Federales. I think that happened last July, but I'd have to double check to confirm.
Same here in Colorado. I love being extorted with my own money.
Or companiesHere in the British Isles, we tend to blame single mothers for everything. Have you ruled them out?Around here, we blame politicians, or the government. And the politicians blame each other.
Weasels, the lot of them.
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If that were true, why would the UK (with some of the worlds tightest gun laws in the world) have a violent crime rate a fraction of the US, to the point where one person getting shot is national news?
Ironically, if Mexico had laxer laws on gun ownership, it might not be so dangerous there. When only the criminals have guns, they can act with impunity.
Different populations.
Still, when the gun laws were made even stricter than they had been (hard to believe I know), the crime rate actually increased in the UK. Still it is much less than the US, but there are very different populations involved in these two nations and very different cultures, a simple 1-1 comparison is not going to be too enlightening.
APPEARYou suddenly seem like an awful lot of xps ... and you look Hmmmm TASTY ! too ... What was that about a will save ?
RAWR !
I HUNGER!!
Yes.............. and on and on and on andThis thread is still going?
it'll keep on going for forever just because
this is the thread that never endsit just goes on and on my friends
some people started it not knowing what it was
and it'll keep on going for forever just because
this is the thread that never ends....
Same here in Colorado. I love being extorted with my own money.and here's where your argument goes off the rails, as the law does not allow for that. The person who is being asked for papers has to be doing something to warrant police attention in the first place. It's like some states seat belt laws, you can't be pulled over just for being un-buckled you have to be breaking some other driving law and get pulled over while not wearing your seatbelt. Same here, they have to be breaking the law in some other way, then if the police suspect they are illegal they can ask for their papers.Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ... in exchange to get funded grants from the Federales. I think that happened last July, but I'd have to double check to confirm.
I wonder what the Cynics in Ancient Greece would say about our Democracy?
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I always find it humorous when people complain about a thread continuing, and yet do so in the very thread they are complaining about. LOL, good popping it right back up to the top of the pile folks, you really are helping it to disappear. LOL
I removed a post and the replies to it. Try to remain polite.
They're not letting you play at PaizoCon? ATTICA for ROSS! ATTICA for ROSS!
{checks to see if he was hit ... nope. Garydee and I remain intact ... and were joking of course}
Arrested for Driving while Blind ?Other than the middle letter, what's the difference between DUI and DWI?Driving Under the Influence
Driving While Intoxicted
I think that's when your blood-alcohol level leaves you squinting pretty badly.
I wonder what the Cynics in Ancient Greece would say about our Democracy?Same here in Colorado. I love being extorted with my own money.and here's where your argument goes off the rails, as the law does not allow for that. The person who is being asked for papers has to be doing something to warrant police attention in the first place. It's like some states seat belt laws, you can't be pulled over just for being un-buckled you have to be breaking some other driving law and get pulled over while not wearing your seatbelt. Same here, they have to be breaking the law in some other way, then if the police suspect they are illegal they can ask for their papers.Out here in Ohio, it got bumped from a Secondary to a Primary offense ... in exchange to get funded grants from the Federales. I think that happened last July, but I'd have to double check to confirm.
They're cynics. Everything sucks.
:P
(I keed, I keed)
I always find it humorous when people complain about a thread continuing, and yet do so in the very thread they are complaining about. LOL, good popping it right back up to the top of the pile folks, you really are helping it to disappear. LOL
*slaps knee* *bellows santa claus sized laughter* *golf claps*
;-)
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I removed a post and the replies to it. Try to remain polite.They're not letting you play at PaizoCon? ATTICA for ROSS! ATTICA for ROSS!
gets out his meal cup and bangs it across the bars
Different populations.Still, when the gun laws were made even stricter than they had been (hard to believe I know), the crime rate actually increased in the UK. Still it is much less than the US, but there are very different populations involved in these two nations and very different cultures, a simple 1-1 comparison is not going to be too enlightening.
...which could also be said of Mexico.
It's like you're not really trying any more.
Different populations.Still, when the gun laws were made even stricter than they had been (hard to believe I know), the crime rate actually increased in the UK. Still it is much less than the US, but there are very different populations involved in these two nations and very different cultures, a simple 1-1 comparison is not going to be too enlightening.
...which could also be said of Mexico.
It's like you're not really trying any more.
Can't speak for him, but I stopped trying 20 years ago. ;-P
I tried once, but I didn't inhale! I promise!
No, I do not recall saying that at all. I am not even sure how relevant it is. There is plenty of fence and guards on the US side of the border. I imagine the Mexican government is incapable of stopping or simply does not care if its citizens cross over.
I would not chalk that up as an official 'ok'.
Wow, really? Was this said in sarcasm that I missed? It's hard to tell sometimes.
ghost HOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRPH!
Yes.............. and on and on and on andThis thread is still going?
it'll keep on going for forever just because
this is the thread that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started it not knowing what it was
and it'll keep on going for forever just because
this is the thread that never ends....
DOHP! worse than explosive runes!
Different populations.Still, when the gun laws were made even stricter than they had been (hard to believe I know), the crime rate actually increased in the UK. Still it is much less than the US, but there are very different populations involved in these two nations and very different cultures, a simple 1-1 comparison is not going to be too enlightening.
...which could also be said of Mexico.
It's like you're not really trying any more.
Actually what I said previously was, "...it might not be so dangerous there." Notice the qualifier there my friend "might".
Different populations.Still, when the gun laws were made even stricter than they had been (hard to believe I know), the crime rate actually increased in the UK. Still it is much less than the US, but there are very different populations involved in these two nations and very different cultures, a simple 1-1 comparison is not going to be too enlightening.
...which could also be said of Mexico.
It's like you're not really trying any more.
I'm lost. I think I missed something.
I'm lost. I think I missed something.
Trust me, you're better off.
Trust me, you're better off.
I'm lost. I think I missed something.
BT is a minarchist. He's been off the reservation since .... {does some crazy calculations} > . < That long.
;P
Actually what I said previously was, "...it might not be so dangerous there." Notice the qualifier there my friend "might".
Different populations.Still, when the gun laws were made even stricter than they had been (hard to believe I know), the crime rate actually increased in the UK. Still it is much less than the US, but there are very different populations involved in these two nations and very different cultures, a simple 1-1 comparison is not going to be too enlightening.
...which could also be said of Mexico.
It's like you're not really trying any more.
...and now I have caught up.
DOHP! worse than explosive runes!Yes.............. and on and on and on andThis thread is still going?
it'll keep on going for forever just because
this is the thread that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started it not knowing what it was
and it'll keep on going for forever just because
this is the thread that never ends....
Heeheeheeheehee!!!
Trust me, you're better off.
I'm lost. I think I missed something.BT is a minarchist. He's been off the reservation since .... {does some crazy calculations} > . < That long.
;P
Congratulations, you made me snarf beer!
Congratulations, you made me snarf beer!Trust me, you're better off.
I'm lost. I think I missed something.BT is a minarchist. He's been off the reservation since .... {does some crazy calculations} > . < That long.
;P
Welcome to the club. I've lost a lot of sodas here that way.
Welcome to the club. I've lost a lot of sodas here that way.Congratulations, you made me snarf beer!Trust me, you're better off.
I'm lost. I think I missed something.BT is a minarchist. He's been off the reservation since .... {does some crazy calculations} > . < That long.
;P
It's very hard to make me snarf! Just ask my players.
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Human trafficking is a better payday for a certainty, but the risks involved as well as the financial unreliablity of your customers means that drug sales are simply a better investment.There is a human trafficking element as well, which feeds into illegal immigration, although the money the smugglers get from this is peanuts compared to what they get for drugs.Wow, you have no idea, do you?Something like 15-20k per head, and the "coyotes" sometimes leave them in the middle of the desert to die...sometimes still locked in a semi trailer...
Not a nice way to go, especially if you paid them so much cash...
Actually, the risk/reward balance is heavily in favor of human rather than drug trafficking. Way less time if you get caught playing "Don Coyote" than playing "George Jung Jr.". First offense trafficking people usually nets six months. First offense moving profitable amounts of dope usually nets ten years. The disparity between second offenses is even more extreme.
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Ironically, if Mexico had laxer laws on gun ownership, it might not be so dangerous there. When only the criminals have guns, they can act with impunity.
If that were true, why would the UK (with some of the worlds tightest gun laws in the world) have a violent crime rate a fraction of the US, to the point where one person getting shot is national news?
Mexico's gun laws are MUCH stricter than the U.K.
Please tell me why, then, their violent crime rate is exponentially higher than the rate in the U.S. again?
We're not even in the top 40 anymore for homicide rates since 2000. Wow.
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Mexico's gun laws are MUCH stricter than the U.K.Please tell me why, then, their violent crime rate is exponentially higher than the rate in the U.S. again?
According to the Mexican President it's the fault of the US
Let me be clear on this. I fully respect, I admire the American Constitution," Calderon said. "I understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee the right of good American citizens to defend themselves and their nation. … But believe me, many of these guns are not going to honest American hands. Instead hundreds are going to the hands of criminals," Calderon said. "The violence in Mexico started to grow … in 2006. This coincides with the lifting of the assault weapons ban in 2004."
Mexico's gun laws are MUCH stricter than the U.K.Please tell me why, then, their violent crime rate is exponentially higher than the rate in the U.S. again?
According to the Mexican President it's the fault of the US
Let me be clear on this. I fully respect, I admire the American Constitution," Calderon said. "I understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee the right of good American citizens to defend themselves and their nation. … But believe me, many of these guns are not going to honest American hands. Instead hundreds are going to the hands of criminals," Calderon said. "The violence in Mexico started to grow … in 2006. This coincides with the lifting of the assault weapons ban in 2004."
That's just laughable.
It kind of sounds like they are scape-goating.
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Mexico's gun laws are MUCH stricter than the U.K.Please tell me why, then, their violent crime rate is exponentially higher than the rate in the U.S. again?
According to the Mexican President it's the fault of the US
Let me be clear on this. I fully respect, I admire the American Constitution," Calderon said. "I understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee the right of good American citizens to defend themselves and their nation. … But believe me, many of these guns are not going to honest American hands. Instead hundreds are going to the hands of criminals," Calderon said. "The violence in Mexico started to grow … in 2006. This coincides with the lifting of the assault weapons ban in 2004."
The reality is, the Mexican government decapitated the drug cartels, taking the leaders out and leaving the idiots in charge. Not a wise policy, and the exact opposite of the M.O. of U.S. law enforcement. Hilarity ensued.
For example, the Zetas were basically enforcers for the Matamoros and Reynosa cartels, and only started pushing into Nuevo Laredo after the Federales took down the guy calling the shots there.
Oh, and the war on the border was hot before the "assault" weapon ban lift. Nice of Calderon to play the blame game to cover his mistakes.
Seriously, kids, I lived it for years. I know what's up on the border.
Oh, well.