Oh the humanity.
I'm not sure why people care about this.
I'm not sure why people care about this.
It does speak to the triviality and immaturity of our politics.
I wonder how much the teleprompter would sell for.
I'm not sure why people care about this.
You're the one that's filling the OT forums with posts like this. So perhaps you're in a good position to illuminate the topic.
I think this actually showcases why he is such an eloquent speaker. A lot of the time when a politician screws up on the teleprompter it comes out really terribly - they often come out espousing what appear to be ideals that the common American does not adhere to.
Here the President quickly identifies that he is messing up - is doing so on something rather mundane (introducing people) and is able to get the whole thing sorted out while cracking a mildly amusing joke that serves as a bridge to get him to where he actually wants to be. Its pretty clear that he's very much in his element in the fact that he can fairly easily slide through a screw up of this sort without getting to flustered and without it effecting the rest of his speech.
Whether you like Obama or not, attacking his intellect is an extremely poor tactic.
Good luck with that.
Whether you like Obama or not, attacking his intellect is an extremely poor tactic.
Good luck with that.
Why?
Why?Whether you like Obama or not, attacking his intellect is an extremely poor tactic.
Good luck with that.
Beat me to it.
Why?
Because although he can legitimately be accused of being a lot of things -- shifty, naive, shallow, etc. -- stupid isn't one of them.
Why?Because although he can legitimately be accused of being a lot of things -- shifty, naive, shallow, etc. -- stupid isn't one of them.
I suppose I have to give you this one. He does have a sort of ... cunning, for lack of a better word.
Why?Because although he can legitimately be accused of being a lot of things -- shifty, naive, shallow, etc. -- stupid isn't one of them.
I suppose it depends on how one judges intellect. I've heard that Bush's IQ is Higher than Obama's, but I still think they are both idiots. Obama is just a much more articulate idiot.
Maybe I'm over analyzing the definition of intellect or I'm conflating intellect and intelligence.
On topic, it saddens me that we pick at this minutia of public speaking errors because it's so trivial. Anyone who spends the amount of time on camera and speaking publicly as the modern politician is going to screw up like Quayle, Gore, Bush and so on. I'm also frustrated with the fixation on delivery over substance, and the way this fixation drives politicians (and judicial appointees) to stick to these vacant sound bites that avoid any meaningful discussion on actual policy.
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Why?Because although he can legitimately be accused of being a lot of things -- shifty, naive, shallow, etc. -- stupid isn't one of them.I suppose it depends on how one judges intellect. I've heard that Bush's IQ is Higher than Obama's, but I still think they are both idiots. Obama is just a much more articulate idiot.
Maybe I'm over analyzing the definition of intellect or I'm conflating intellect and intelligence.
On topic, it saddens me that we pick at this minutia of public speaking errors because it's so trivial. Anyone who spends the amount of time on camera and speaking publicly as the modern politician is going to screw up like Quayle, Gore, Bush and so on. I'm also frustrated with the fixation on delivery over substance, and the way this fixation drives politicians (and judicial appointees) to stick to these vacant sound bites that avoid any meaningful discussion on actual policy.
I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
Also, why is Dubya the only one in his family with an accent?
Why?Because although he can legitimately be accused of being a lot of things -- shifty, naive, shallow, etc. -- stupid isn't one of them.I suppose it depends on how one judges intellect. I've heard that Bush's IQ is Higher than Obama's, but I still think they are both idiots. Obama is just a much more articulate idiot.
Maybe I'm over analyzing the definition of intellect or I'm conflating intellect and intelligence.
On topic, it saddens me that we pick at this minutia of public speaking errors because it's so trivial. Anyone who spends the amount of time on camera and speaking publicly as the modern politician is going to screw up like Quayle, Gore, Bush and so on. I'm also frustrated with the fixation on delivery over substance, and the way this fixation drives politicians (and judicial appointees) to stick to these vacant sound bites that avoid any meaningful discussion on actual policy.
I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
Also, why is Dubya the only one in his family with an accent?
I think there are a lot of problems with how we quantify intelligence, conversely our intellect is judged in most of our interactions by our ability to communicate.
I'm a much better communicator in person than on these boards. It's frustrating because my poor writing skills probably don't make me look very bright, so I try to be cautious about judging peoples intellect based primarily on their communication skills.
I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
You and Yellow Dingo. Related? Distant Cousins?
What I find amusing are people who espouse how intelligent they allegedly are and try to hide behind the veil of lacking social skills. Personally, I think it's something else entirely. I'll get back to you when I visit the fiction section over at the local Barnes and Nobles.
;)
Oooohhhh...the smell is making me nauseous...
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I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.You and Yellow Dingo. Related? Distant Cousins?
What I find amusing are people who espouse how intelligent they allegedly are and try to hide behind the veil of lacking social skills. Personally, I think it's something else entirely. I'll get back to you when I visit the fiction section over at the local Barnes and Nobles.
;)
Well, I'm mostly an a~@$%@~, but I'm not apologetic about it, either.
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I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
Also, why is Dubya the only one in his family with an accent?
The smartest person on the boards never even talks about it.
re: Bush,....
It's Texas. The drawl can be somewhat catchy; maybe he's Zelig, or it's affected. Politicians do that. Especially in a state where they sell pickups like the "Texas edition."
They also have a "Texas whopper" at Burger King. Go figure.
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I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
The smartest person on the boards never even talks about it.
This.
There are a lot of very intelligent people on these boards (they tend to be drawn towards RPGs, for whatever reason). People who are both intelligent and have social skills know that it's a bad idea to ever directly assert one's own intelligence. First, it projects arrogance, and second, they are setting themselves up to be compared to an idealized notion of genius with which they can never compete. People will latch on to every error they make as a refutation of their self-ascribed intelligence. In contrast, if one makes no claim as to their own intelligence, every time they show themselves to be insightful or knowledgeable their esteem is elevated, while shortcomings are more likely to be overlooked.
Why?Because although he can legitimately be accused of being a lot of things -- shifty, naive, shallow, etc. -- stupid isn't one of them.
This.
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On topic, it saddens me that we pick at this minutia of public speaking errors because it's so trivial. Anyone who spends the amount of time on camera and speaking publicly as the modern politician is going to screw up like Quayle, Gore, Bush and so on. I'm also frustrated with the fixation on delivery over substance, and the way this fixation drives politicians (and judicial appointees) to stick to these vacant sound bites that avoid any meaningful discussion on actual policy. </SNIP>
+1
Edit: Guilty as charged. I'm trying to get better.
<SNIP>it projects arrogance, and second, they are setting themselves up to be compared to an idealized notion of genius with which they can never compete.</SNIP>
Please don't talk about me when I'm in the room. ;)
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I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
Also, why is Dubya the only one in his family with an accent?
The smartest person on the boards never even talks about it.
re: Bush,....
It's Texas. The drawl can be somewhat catchy; maybe he's Zelig, or it's affected. Politicians do that. Especially in a state where they sell pickups like the "Texas edition."
They also have a "Texas whopper" at Burger King. Go figure.
Heathy you may be interested to know that speech patterns can often times be affected by ones personality and the company they keep. For example the particular dialect from rural New Brunswick I grew up with was not one I spoke. I actually sounded like a city-person as they would call it. Then I move to Newfoundland (and by god if you ever heard a newfie speak you'd never forget it) but when I've had a few beers in me I start talking like a newfie and not even on purpose (despite the fact I've only been here 3 years). Also another example my friend Jen is from Alberta Canada, and she is now currently doing her post-doctorate in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. We were talking on the phone and she had a very distinct australian accent. I even called her out on it. (She got angry and said she had no such accent). The point is you can actually assimilate accents without realising it if you the right personality type, or you can be totally resistant to accent assimilation if your another personality type. It really is a very fluid thing.
Oh,....ASVAB? Real f*!#ing easy test there, that one. It's like bragging about tieing your shoes or something.
Man, you ain't lyin'.
Oh,....ASVAB? Real f*!#ing easy test there, that one. It's like bragging about tieing your shoes or something.Man, you ain't lyin'.
I made the mistake of taking the ASVAB. Well, actually, back in high school they just herded everyone into a room to take it; one had to opt out. And who doesn't want out of class in high school?
Anyway, they wouldn't leave me alone for the longest time. And yeah, that test was easy. Want to try a hard test? Take the LSAT. I scored fairly well (89th percentile?), but was happy to get away with that much skin intact. The logic puzzles in there are hard.
I dunno about his prompt but I know Obama is probably the least intelligent president USA has ever had. He doesnt even know the diffrence between Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
So the definition of intelligence is "an inverse proportion to how often one mixes up two minor state holidays in a verbal slip?" Damn. And all along I'd been led to believe that it involved, you know, things like mental processing ability, and stuff like that. Thanks for clearing that one up for me.
By the way, I'm the most important person ever to post on Paizo. I'm defining "important" as "uses an avatar that incorporates the color pink somewhere, and has some reference to alcohol and/or animal parts." Just so we're clear on that as well.
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Anyway, they wouldn't leave me alone for the longest time. And yeah, that test was easy. Want to try a hard test? Take the LSAT. I scored fairly well (89th percentile?), but was happy to get away with that much skin intact. The logic puzzles in there are hard.
I approve of using the LSAT as a proxy for intelligence. Either that, or penis size. In either case, I'm sporting a +6 mod to my checks.
NOW ALL YOU MAGGOTS BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP MY VAST INTELLECT!
NOW ALL YOU MAGGOTS BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP MY VAST INTELLECT!
So that's what they're calling it these days. TMI man. TMI.
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I'm guessing that he just missed the Veteran's Day/Memorial Day mnemonic device lesson at Harvard Law.
If you don't take Intro to Minor U.S. Holidays as a 1L, it's really hard to make room for it in your schedule in later years.
Plus, the difference between the two isn't really expounded upon until you get into Advanced Minor U.S. Holidays.
Anyway, they wouldn't leave me alone for the longest time. And yeah, that test was easy. Want to try a hard test? Take the LSAT. I scored fairly well (89th percentile?), but was happy to get away with that much skin intact. The logic puzzles in there are hard.I approve of using the LSAT as a proxy for intelligence. Either that, or penis size. In either case, I'm sporting a +6 mod to my checks.
NOW ALL YOU MAGGOTS BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP MY VAST INTELLECT!
"This place gives me an uncomfortableness."
I always thought public speaking was CHA, not INT based.
Wait...did Staypuft stop posting?
I think he fell into a cup of hot cocoa.
Wait...did Staypuft stop posting?
Staypuft is an idiot! He didn't know the difference between an en dash and an em dash.
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Heathy you may be interested to know that speech patterns can often times be affected by ones personality and the company they keep. For example the particular dialect from rural New Brunswick I grew up with was not one I spoke. I actually sounded like a city-person as they would call it. Then I move to Newfoundland (and by god if you ever heard a newfie speak you'd never forget it) but when I've had a few beers in me I start talking like a newfie and not even on purpose (despite the fact I've only been here 3 years). Also another example my friend Jen is from Alberta Canada, and she is now currently doing her post-doctorate in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. We were talking on the phone and she had a very distinct australian accent. I even called her out on it. (She got angry and said she had no such accent). The point is you can actually assimilate accents without realising it if you the right personality type, or you can be totally resistant to accent assimilation if your another personality type. It really is a very fluid thing.
I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
Also, why is Dubya the only one in his family with an accent?
The smartest person on the boards never even talks about it.
re: Bush,....
It's Texas. The drawl can be somewhat catchy; maybe he's Zelig, or it's affected. Politicians do that. Especially in a state where they sell pickups like the "Texas edition."
They also have a "Texas whopper" at Burger King. Go figure.
People are more likely to pick up the accent when they have like the people who have it. Also, people who have lived in different places and picked up different accents will sometimes shift accents when the subject of conversation shifts. For example, someone who moves to New York for work when they are young but then returns home years later may switch to a New York accent when speaking about work. It's kind of cool.
Also, people who have lived in different places and picked up different accents will sometimes shift accents when the subject of conversation shifts.
I've lived so many different places now that I subconsciously pick up the accents of people I'm talking with -- which can be incredibly frustrating, because I won't even be aware that I'm doing it, and they start thinking I'm making fun of them or something.
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Oh,....ASVAB?
Real f&%~ing easy test there, that one. It's like bragging about tieing your shoes or something.
Heh, ASVAB, I got a perfect score on that one didn't even know it at the time until I spoke to a recruiter. I got a lot of calls following taking it about my enlisting in different branches of the military One day I get a call from an army recruiter, and once he was sure it was me he said "Are you interested in becoming a general son?". This is after I had already tried to enlist to become a rescue diver for the coast guard and had found out that I legally can't join the military because of my hearing.
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I can almost legitimately say that I'm one of the smartest people on the boards and (at least) documented to be 125% smarter than most people who join the Army. However, my social skills (which require their own intelligence) are...unspectacular.
The smartest person on the boards never even talks about it.
This.
There are a lot of very intelligent people on these boards (they tend to be drawn towards RPGs, for whatever reason). People who are both intelligent and have social skills know that it's a bad idea to ever directly assert one's own intelligence. First, it projects arrogance, and second, they are setting themselves up to be compared to an idealized notion of genius with which they can never compete. People will latch on to every error they make as a refutation of their self-ascribed intelligence. In contrast, if one makes no claim as to their own intelligence, every time they show themselves to be insightful or knowledgeable their esteem is elevated, while shortcomings are more likely to be overlooked.
Right, I'll keep that in mind...not. If people feel so insecure about themselves they want to pick apart my statements to find something that alleviates that angst, it isn't my problem.