Quick question on the Seeking weapon property


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If a weapon has the Seeking quality, do targets in melee still receive the +4 bonus to AC against ranged attacks from that weapon.
My group seems to think that the Seeking property only applies against concealment, while my reading of the RAW, to wit:

'The weapon veers toward its target, negating any miss chances that would otherwise apply, such as from concealment.'

(emphasis added by me)

suggests that a weapon with the Seeking property would negate the AC bonus, similar to the Precise Shot feat.

What says the message board?

Grand Lodge

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Since it says it 'veers towards its target' and not 'veers around any obstacles between it and its target', and nowhere says 'you do not suffer the -4 for your target being in melee' or 'acts as the Precise Shot feat' I am going with your group in that it does not negate the penalty for firing into melee.

Scarab Sages

psychicmachinery wrote:
What says the message board?

Seeking only does what it says it does; the -4 penalty for firing into melee still applies.


Read it carefully my friend.

It says it negates miss-chances. Not penalties to hit.

If your opponent has concealment (say they're in the dark, or behind a bunch of bushes or whatever) then it will hit so long as you make the attack roll (you won't have to roll to beat the miss chance)

One might also argue that it would also prevent the chance to strike a target other than your intended target when your target is in a grapple, but that's not explicit in the rules.

Grand Lodge

kyrt-ryder wrote:
One might also argue that it would also prevent the chance to strike a target other than your intended target when your target is in a grapple, but that's not explicit in the rules.

When you get the chance, you might tell me where that rule is, because we had an argument over it in my SCAP game and I couldn't find the 'may hit the wrong grappler' rule anywhere. :)


TriOmegaZero wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
One might also argue that it would also prevent the chance to strike a target other than your intended target when your target is in a grapple, but that's not explicit in the rules.
When you get the chance, you might tell me where that rule is, because we had an argument over it in my SCAP game and I couldn't find the 'may hit the wrong grappler' rule anywhere. :)

You know... I just searched the whole PRD (I have it downloaded so I was using the cnt f search function) and I didn't find it. Weird.

Grand Lodge

kyrt-ryder wrote:
You know... I just searched the whole PRD (I have it downloaded so I was using the cnt f search function) and I didn't find it. Weird.

You won't find it in the 3.5 SRD either. I think it is a older edition rule that everyone thinks is in the rules but isn't. Similar to how a natural 1 is only an automatic miss, but everyone thinks the fumble rules are RAW instead of a variant.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
You know... I just searched the whole PRD (I have it downloaded so I was using the cnt f search function) and I didn't find it. Weird.
You won't find it in the 3.5 SRD either. I think it is a older edition rule that everyone thinks is in the rules but isn't. Similar to how a natural 1 is only an automatic miss, but everyone thinks the fumble rules are RAW instead of a variant.

I know I read the grapple miss-targeting rule SOMEWHERE, and I have never read any of the older editions, and in the few sessions of 2E I did play grapple never even came up.

Scarab Sages

It's in a table footnote in 3.0 and 3.5, IIRC. But it's not in PF so it doesn't really apply to the current discussion.

Oh, and I agree with the others here: seeking is NOT Precise Shot.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:


You won't find it in the 3.5 SRD either. I think it is a older edition rule that everyone thinks is in the rules but isn't. Similar to how a natural 1 is only an automatic miss, but everyone thinks the fumble rules are RAW instead of a variant.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm

As mentioned before its found in a foot note. In Pathfinder Core Rulebook, p195 you'll find similar tables but no such footnote.

Grand Lodge

Aha! That explains it. Who reads footnotes anyway? :)

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