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They receive a +2 bonus to perception. This is the skill that would be used to find secret doors... plus a whole lot more stuff. It is a pretty big racial feature that is used VERY often in the game.
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They receive a +2 bonus to perception. This is the skill that would be used to find secret doors... plus a whole lot more stuff. It is a pretty big racial feature that is used VERY often in the game.
Well, they had +2 to Listen, Search, and Spot before...so.... :)
Look at the descriptionof Secret Door. Its now a Secret Door trait being findable by elves. This means that half-elves are able to find Secret Doors too. Also:
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It is a pretty big racial feature that is used VERY often in the game.
Really? I think its one of the least remembered & least used in the games I've played in/run.
Also the GMs involved usually hate it.
Really? I think its one of the least remembered & least used in the games I've played in/run.
Also the GMs involved usually hate it.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I was saying the +2 to perception is huge and most used... not the auto secret door thing.
They did not lose it. It's in a different section though with traps and secret doors.
Really? I think its one of the least remembered & least used in the games I've played in/run.
Also the GMs involved usually hate it.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I was saying the +2 to perception is huge and most used... not the auto secret door thing.
Yeah. I'm not even sure it's possible to RUN a game without perception checks.
Yeah. I'm not even sure it's possible to RUN a game without perception checks.
If one happened, you wouldn't notice.
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Yeah. I'm not even sure it's possible to RUN a game without perception checks.If one happened, you wouldn't notice.
Barator
LOL Exactly!.
And as long as we are on the subject.
I think dwarves get that now
Really? I think its one of the least remembered & least used in the games I've played in/run.
Also the GMs involved usually hate it.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I was saying the +2 to perception is huge and most used... not the auto secret door thing.
Yes. On both accounts. :)
It is true that in the Environment section of the Pathfinder core rule book it says that elves can find secret doors just be causually glancing at the area, but I think that this is an error in editing. I will bet that at one time they had some info in the elf racial description that said that they can find secret doors just be casually glancing at them, and then removed it, but forgot the remove the reference to that in the secret doors section.
When I asked about it in the PFS section, Josh indicated that it was, indeed, an error in editing. That having been said, Josh has also said that he doesn't want to be a "general" rules arbiter, just the PFS guy when it comes to rules and how they are used, so take that for what its worth.
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Find secret doors was the most troublesome racial ability I can think of in 3.X edition. The problem with the ability is when you asked for a player to roll his find secret doors roll they knew (out of character) that there was a secret door or some sort nearby and all but the most hardcore anti-metagamers would try their best to find it.
If you had their bonus to that roll on a 3x5 card or something like that it would still cause problems because bonuses are often in flux so occasionally you have to clarify what spells are in effect. Even if that wasnt a problem there was still the metagame mentality of "The DM rolled a die and hes looking at one of our modifiers." Then logic would take over "He looked at one sheet, not at all of ours. So its not perception rolls for ambushing monsters...it has to be a spell, a trap someone stepped in, or a racial ability."
Personally Im very happy they got rid of the ability. Less because it caused problems at the table but more because it really didnt make sense on elves. I can understand elves being more preceptive but an instant chance to find secret doors just doesnt seem to fit their race. Dwarves I could see it on as they spend a great deal of time in civilizations but elves are forest dwellers and their cities tend to be scattered about in much larger ratios.
Honestly, the whole secret doors thing was kind of silly in 3.5. I once had a party in a 3.5 game that had 5 elves in it. Most of them had a high int or were skill based or both. We never, EVER missed a secret door. It got to the point where the dm removed doors he had placed for bad guys to use, because unless it was literally unfindable, it was found. We just all did a walk around the room and found them all. Kind of defeats the purpose of a secret door if a party of elves will almost certainly find it.
That is one thing I am not sad to see go in pathfinder.
I guess stone/masonry secret doors and ALL secret doors isn't the same.
Um. You might not want to look too hard at the dwarf racial abilities, then.Kind of defeats the purpose of a secret door if a party of elves will almost certainly find it.
That is one thing I am not sad to see go in pathfinder.
I know of the feature. However at least in my group dwarves are no where near as common as elves, and its at least limited to a subset of secret doors. I have never has a party that was completely dwarves and its less likely that a dwarf will be the 'skill monkey'. So even if the dwarf is getting a perception check, he is less likely to find it.
Honestly, ...
...That is one thing I am not sad to see go in pathfinder.
Agreed! I dumped that feature back when all we had was the 3 little white books in a box. And those crappy dice that came with it. The D6 now rolls like a D20!
read the errata...it says "Page 414—In the Doors section, under Secret Doors, remove the last sentence of the first paragraph."
The sentence in question says "Elves have a chance to detect
a secret door just by casually looking at an area."
So Elves NO LONGER have the chance to detect secret doors that they used to have.