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Story Based on what I have read I wonder if it's going to tie in with Wolverine.
I hope not. Because I'm a bit sick of the Wolverine! (and those x-guys that sometimes hang out with him, but don't really do anything significant) movies.
David Fryer, what have you read that gives you the impression that it will tie in with Wolverine?
I hesitated to ask because I never saw the Wolverine movie (although I saw the X-Men movie trilogy 3 times) so this may be an ignorant remark... but I don't see how a prequel COULD tie in with Wolverine, since Wolverine didn't meet the X-Men until the first movie.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
David Fryer, what have you read that gives you the impression that it will tie in with Wolverine?
I hesitated to ask because I never saw the Wolverine movie (although I saw the X-Men movie trilogy 3 times) so this may be an ignorant remark... but I don't see how a prequel COULD tie in with Wolverine, since Wolverine didn't meet the X-Men until the first movie.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
Maybe because Wolverine would have been alive in that timeframe?
X-3 wasn't as good as X-2 (imo), but I still liked it. I'm kinda sad they never went on to an X-4...maybe it was a contractual thing?
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(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
You are. X-3 is absolutely terrible. Maybe if the complaints you hear are "X-3 is unrealistic because it has dudes with super powers" then, yes, I can see how that would apply to both movies. But, most complaints I hear (and make) are about how badly done the characters are in X-3, the way it kills Cyclops off screen, Halle Berry getting even more time to act badly, the unfocused story, the idiotic ending that has Wolvie killing Jean Grey to stop her powers when a mutant disabling substance is within easy reach, the random death of Professor X, etc., etc.
Aaron, First Class could tie into Wolverine based on certain events of the Wolverine movie:
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David Fryer, what have you read that gives you the impression that it will tie in with Wolverine?
I hesitated to ask because I never saw the Wolverine movie (although I saw the X-Men movie trilogy 3 times) so this may be an ignorant remark... but I don't see how a prequel COULD tie in with Wolverine, since Wolverine didn't meet the X-Men until the first movie.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
It was the comment, not sure if it was in this article or another I read, that the movie will focus on Charles Xavier and Magneto working with a team of young mutants to stop an enemy that threatens the world. It also said that some of the mutants were known, and Storms is specifically mentioned as being in the process of being cast.
Edit: And ninja'd
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Here's the article I first read. Here is the specific section of the article. "The synopsis provided by the studio says that the movie will, "chart the epic beginning of the X-Men saga. Before Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr took the names Professor X and Magneto, they were two young men discovering their powers for the first time. Before they were archenemies, they were the closest of friends, working together, with other Mutants (some familiar, some new), to stop the greatest threat the world has ever known. In the process, a rift between them opened, which began the eternal war between Magneto's Brotherhood and Professor X's X-Men." Word is that the script is written by Ashley Miller and Zack Stentz who are also doing the writing for Thor.
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David Fryer, what have you read that gives you the impression that it will tie in with Wolverine?
I hesitated to ask because I never saw the Wolverine movie (although I saw the X-Men movie trilogy 3 times) so this may be an ignorant remark... but I don't see how a prequel COULD tie in with Wolverine, since Wolverine didn't meet the X-Men until the first movie.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
Um how about collosus despite being in the film for it's entirety only has one line that in no way has any relevance to the actual plot.
Or the fact that with no explanation given at all, nightcrawler was dropped to avoid having to many blue characters in it.
Or the fact that if magneto could just lift the entire bridge like that, why didn't he just drop the bridge on top of the building instead of wasting all that manpower to take the island. Especially since he shows no regard for non-mutant life throughout the rest of the trilogy?
Thank you, Lathiira and David Fryer, for answering my question. Dang! If I had known THAT about the Wolverine movie, I'd have seen it long ago! (As it is, the Wolverine movie will have to go on a long list of movies on my "to-watch" list.)
And thank YOU Sebastian. Now I've finally heard some concrete complaints about X-3 to which I can respond. I can't respond to "how badly done the characters are" or "the unfocused story," because those are too vague. But as for the rest...
...the way it kills Cyclops off screen...Of COURSE Cyclops is killed off screen! That part has to be kept vague so that future sequels can bring Cyclops back! It HAD to be that way. Why didn't we see Sabretooth killed in X-1? Same reason!
...Halle Berry getting even more time to act badly...Okay, I'll admit that I can't respond to that one, since I'm no judge of acting. But you seem to imply that her acting was just as bad in the first 2.
...the idiotic ending that has Wolvie killing Jean Grey to stop her powers when a mutant disabling substance is within easy reach...
Easy reach? EASY REACH?!? Let me get this straight. You wanted Woverine to fire a dart at Jean while she's destroying all the matter around her? Or maybe you wanted Wolvie to grab a "cure" dart, which would still get disintegrated? I mean, clearly the only thing that stopped Wolvie from disintegrating was his healing factor. And if a "cure" dart was within Jean's sight, she could have used that to cure Wolverine, so he could be killed.
I will admit that the scene made no sense. Jean could have flung Wolvie away as easily as Magneto had done. In fact, there are tons of scenes in X3 that made no sense... just as there were tons of scenes in the FIRST two movies that made no sense.
For example, in X-1, how did Senator Kelly know that Xavier's school was for mutants? And if he did know, why didn't he try to expose it and shut it down long before?
And in X-2, if Mystique was able to fake Striker's voice and thereby access his secret files, why couldn't she access the plans for Cerebro-2?
Also, in X-2, how did Nightcrawler and Cyclops shake off the effects of the drug? I didn't catch a single word of explanation.
And why the heck did Jean have to leave the jet to "telekenese" the water away? She could have done it within the jet, and lived!
The bottom line is that these movies tried to be dramatic and impactful, not logical nor convincing. It's a weakness, but it applies just as much to the first two movies.
...the random death of Professor X...
RANDOM?!? He was killed by PHOENIX. What more appropriate character could have done it?!?
Again, I thank you, Sebastian, for giving me a chance to make these responses.
Um how about collosus despite being in the film for it's entirety only has one line that in no way has any relevance to the actual plot.As far as I can remember, Collosus got no lines at all in X-2. With the abundance of mutants in these movies, some characters just won't get many lines.
Or the fact that with no explanation given at all, nightcrawler was dropped to avoid having to many blue characters in it.I didn't know that... but why SHOULD nightcrawler have been in X-3? I saw no indication in X-2 that he planned to sign up for Xavier's school or anything. No doubt, he went his own way to lead his own life.
Or the fact that if magneto could just lift the entire bridge like that, why didn't he just drop the bridge on top of the building instead of wasting all that manpower to take the island.
Because then he couldn't be SURE that Leech was dead. If you only THINK someone's dead, he's not. Don't you know your comic book logic?!?
And like I said earlier, the first two X-Men movies had plenty of stuff that made no sense, just as X-3 had.
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Um how about collosus despite being in the film for it's entirety only has one line that in no way has any relevance to the actual plot.As far as I can remember, Collosus got no lines at all in X-2. With the abundance of mutants in these movies, some characters just won't get many lines.Or the fact that with no explanation given at all, nightcrawler was dropped to avoid having to many blue characters in it.I didn't know that... but why SHOULD nightcrawler have been in X-3? I saw no indication in X-2 that he planned to sign up for Xavier's school or anything. No doubt, he went his own way to lead his own life.Or the fact that if magneto could just lift the entire bridge like that, why didn't he just drop the bridge on top of the building instead of wasting all that manpower to take the island.Because then he couldn't be SURE that Leech was dead. If you only THINK someone's dead, he's not. Don't you know your comic book logic?!?
And like I said earlier, the first two X-Men movies had plenty of stuff that made no sense, just as X-3 had.
Um in x-2 he had one line, but he was also on screen for a whoping 1 scene, in other words, it's okay for a cameo character to have one line. In x-3 he is with the training class from day one. Is involved in every battle. and is involved throughout the entire film. Giving him no lines is terrible writing in that instance.
And if that's the case with nightcrawler, then 1 line saying, it's a shame nightcrawler decided not to join the school, could have answered that complaint. Hell they could have given it to collosus so he had more than one damn line.
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Heh. Glad to help anchor a rant.
I'll even give you one of mine for X-2. The X-men are flying along in the blackbird, happy as clams, when they get hit by missiles. Note that they are flying at very high speeds and presumably moving a large number of miles during this dog fight. The blackbird gets hit, goes down, and Magneto stops it from crashing because HE'S RIGHT BELOW WHERE IT WAS GOING TO CRASH?!!?
How did Magneto know where the jet was? How did he manage to set up his campsite at exactly the spot it would crash?
Also, I know I've failed to provide a concrete explanation, but it's really the bad story that is the problem. Cyclops is shunted off for no good (in-res) reason. Jean Grey goes crazy and there isn't a good story behind that (other than the usual "power makes you go crazy thing.") The name dropping of lots of mutants was cool as a comics reader, but it wasn't really done in a way that helped establish a connection with the characters.
And, as mentioned by lastknightleft, Colossus has a pretty big role in the fight but is non-existent as a character.
X-3 has one major thing going for it: Ellen Page is a hot Kitty Pryde.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)You are. X-3 is absolutely terrible. Maybe if the complaints you hear are "X-3 is unrealistic because it has dudes with super powers" then, yes, I can see how that would apply to both movies. But, most complaints I hear (and make) are about how badly done the characters are in X-3, the way it kills Cyclops off screen, Halle Berry getting even more time to act badly, the unfocused story, the idiotic ending that has Wolvie killing Jean Grey to stop her powers when a mutant disabling substance is within easy reach, the random death of Professor X, etc., etc.
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<SNIP> killing Jean Grey to stop her powers when a mutant disabling substance is within easy reach</SNIP>
Yeah, I noticed that last time I watched it. That was bad, bad, bad. I still enjoyed the movie, though, largely because I love watching Ian McKellan.
David Fryer, what have you read that gives you the impression that it will tie in with Wolverine?
I hesitated to ask because I never saw the Wolverine movie (although I saw the X-Men movie trilogy 3 times) so this may be an ignorant remark... but I don't see how a prequel COULD tie in with Wolverine, since Wolverine didn't meet the X-Men until the first movie.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
Um how about collosus despite being in the film for it's entirety only has one line that in no way has any relevance to the actual plot.
Or the fact that with no explanation given at all, nightcrawler was dropped to avoid having to many blue characters in it.
Or the fact that if magneto could just lift the entire bridge like that, why didn't he just drop the bridge on top of the building instead of wasting all that manpower to take the island. Especially since he shows no regard for non-mutant life throughout the rest of the trilogy?
LA LA LA I can't hear you! :P
David Fryer, what have you read that gives you the impression that it will tie in with Wolverine?
I hesitated to ask because I never saw the Wolverine movie (although I saw the X-Men movie trilogy 3 times) so this may be an ignorant remark... but I don't see how a prequel COULD tie in with Wolverine, since Wolverine didn't meet the X-Men until the first movie.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3? For the life of me, I can't think of any complaint about X-3 that doesn't apply just as much to the first 2.)
I had a complaint about the first X-Men...
If Wolverine has an adamantium skeleton, why did a lead bullet puncture his skull? It should have ricocheted off.
oops.
Still, over all, I liked all of the movies. In fact, I own all of the movies.
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If Wolverine has an adamantium skeleton, why did a lead bullet puncture his skull? It should have ricocheted off.
I think that's X-2. Plus, the way I always saw it was that the bullet squashed flat against his skull and knocked him out. When he regenerates, I believe the flattened bullet even gets pushed out.
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I think that's X-2. Plus, the way I always saw it was that the bullet squashed flat against his skull and knocked him out. When he regenerates, I believe the flattened bullet even gets pushed out.
If Wolverine has an adamantium skeleton, why did a lead bullet puncture his skull? It should have ricocheted off.
Yeah it did get pushed out. It's when the soldiers invade the mansion.
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Yeah it did get pushed out. It's when the soldiers invade the mansion.I think that's X-2. Plus, the way I always saw it was that the bullet squashed flat against his skull and knocked him out. When he regenerates, I believe the flattened bullet even gets pushed out.
If Wolverine has an adamantium skeleton, why did a lead bullet puncture his skull? It should have ricocheted off.
I think it's outside Bobby Drake's house, right before pyro goes crazy.
Honestly the problem with X-3 that stands out the most is the killing of cyclops is fundamentally part of the major problem of the movie... [u]Superman Returns[/u]. The Director left for it as did Cyclops. After all kinds of mad dash to fix it, they had to sloppily rewrite a good chunk of the movie. But personally my biggest grievience is not the sheer amount of mucking with the various characters, its the lack of charcater development. Almost 60% of the mutants in the movie are names and a power example and moved on. Heck Angel is introduced like a major part of the movie shows up two small times before the end and then makes a big save.... BWAH? and Rogue gets removed.... just bad. The saving graces are simply Ellen Page as Kitty Pryde and Kelsey Grammer as Beast.
Professor X didn't die in X3. Watching the credits all the way to the end reveals this.
And for the record, X2 is my favorite and I liked X3.
The name dropping of lots of mutants was cool as a comics reader, but it wasn't really done in a way that helped establish a connection with the characters.
And, as mentioned by lastknightleft, Colossus has a pretty big role in the fight but is non-existent as a character.
But personally my biggest grievience is not the sheer amount of mucking with the various characters, its the lack of charcater development. Almost 60% of the mutants in the movie are names and a power example and moved on. Heck Angel is introduced like a major part of the movie shows up two small times before the end and then makes a big save.... BWAH?
Okay, I think I'm beginning to understand why some people didn't like X-3 as much.
Mind you, my own opinion isn't swayed a particle. I actually liked X-3's approach better than Chris Claremont's style. Don't get me wrong; I'm well aware that Claremont is the one who made "X-Men" a household word, and I won't deny that, once in a blue moon, Claremont turned out a truly brilliant idea (and over the course of 19 years, that "once in a blue moon" really added up.)
But so often, when Claremont introduced new super-powered characters, he did so in a way to keep very vague what the characters' powers were or how those powers worked. And how can I feel any suspense watching the X-Men fighting villains when I don't even know what those villains can DO?
So I think that a power example, if it's clear, is a whole lot better than no clear power example and a ton of dialogue to tell us about personality. Characterization is important, yes, but let's face it, we read / watch superhero stories to see superheroes, first and foremost. ANY kind of story can give us deep and complex characters.
Rogue gets removed.... just bad.
I didn't think it was bad. The predictable ending would have been for Rogue to change her mind, so the movie threw in a surprise for us. And if there's an X-4, Rogue's powers can easily come back. You saw Magneto move the Chess piece at the end, didn't you?
And yes, another reason I liked X-3 was the Kelsey Grammer as the Beast. The Beast is my favorite X-Man, with the possible exception of Professor X himself.
(And by the way, am I the only one who liked X-3?
Essentially, yes.
You know, this thread is surprising. It's supposed to be about the X-Men PREQUEL. I make one little comment about X-3 - in PARENTHESES at that - and that gets tons of responses. At the very least, I'd expect the original poster to get miffed about threadjacking, but no, David Fryer is talking about it too.
(I am glad to have gotten all those responses, though. I'd been wondering about that for some time.)
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Story Based on what I have read I wonder if it's going to tie in with Wolverine.I hope not. Because I'm a bit sick of the Wolverine! (and those x-guys that sometimes hang out with him, but don't really do anything significant) movies.
lol, this reminds me of when I went to see X-men 3.
My buddy Ken: You here they're making a wolverine movie
Me: Are you kidding that was a wolverine movie.
I think it's outside Bobby Drake's house, right before pyro goes crazy.Yeah it did get pushed out. It's when the soldiers invade the mansion.I think that's X-2. Plus, the way I always saw it was that the bullet squashed flat against his skull and knocked him out. When he regenerates, I believe the flattened bullet even gets pushed out.
If Wolverine has an adamantium skeleton, why did a lead bullet puncture his skull? It should have ricocheted off.
Yep. Right outside of Bobby's house.
I know it gets pushed out, and it's cool that they were showing off his healing ability. It's just that they should have chosen a "meatier" part of his body. Maybe the throat or the eye socket?
There is not much flesh in the forehead, outside of the skull, and the bullet shouldn't have gotten past his skull. Also, speaking from the experience of having fired bullets at steel targets, it would have ricocheted, not stopped where it was. I don't remember it even being all that flat.
Good movie. Dumb logic.
Yep. Right outside of Bobby's house.
I know it gets pushed out, and it's cool that they were showing off his healing ability. It's just that they should have chosen a "meatier" part of his body. Maybe the throat or the eye socket?
There is not much flesh in the forehead, outside of the skull, and the bullet shouldn't have gotten past his skull. Also, speaking from the experience of having fired bullets at steel targets, it would have ricocheted, not stopped where it was. I don't remember it even being all that flat.
Good movie. Dumb logic.
The bullet didn't get past his skull. It mushroomed. The impact basically was like a knockout punch - it caused Wolverine's squishy brain to rattle around inside its adamantium box, flatten a bit, and he went unconscious/comatose. It's like a blast effect injury - the shockwave can cause internal trauma without external injury. His healing factor probably spent the most effort regenerating damaged brain tissue so he could function, before healing the flesh-wound on his forehead.
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Professor X didn't die in X3. Watching the credits all the way to the end reveals this.
And for the record, X2 is my favorite and I liked X3.
That resurrection was cheap and half-assed, even for a comic book franchise.
I liked the fact that X-3 had so many shout outs to characters from the comics, it's just that the first two movies were legitimately good. Honestly, I expected the original movie to be about the same quality as X-3, so maybe it's just that the first two movies set such high expectations and the third one failed so miserably.
*cough* Spider-Man 3 *cough*
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Honestly, I expected the original movie to be about the same quality as X-3, so maybe it's just that the first two movies set such high expectations and the third one failed so miserably.
*cough* Spider-Man 3 *cough*
Superman 3, Batman 3, etc., etc. It seems like 3rd super-hero movies have a curse...
Joel Schumacher isn't a curse, he's just a bad idea.