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If you're talking about the blurbs on the website, that's because we separate out which books are Pathfinder RPG and which ones are 3.5 SRD.I think the OP's confusion stems from the fact that all books in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game product line are listed in the Store as being "(OGL)" instead of "(PFRPG)."
From what I gather, that's because the "(PFRPG)" designation would be redundant. Every Pathfinder Roleplaying Game product (the Core Rules, the Bestiary, etc.) includes "Pathfinder Roleplaying Game" in its title, and "PFRPG" is just the abbreviation for "Pathfinder Roleplaying Game."
Well no, James had indicated that they (Paizo) put the label after the book names (on the website) with either (OGL) or (PFRPG) to distinguish if it uses the 3.5 ruleset (OGL) or the Pathfinder RPG ruleset (PFRPG). And indicated anything before August 2009 (when the core rulebook came out) would be OGL, which makes complete sense to me.
What I am asking though is why books are being released now with the (OGL) descriptor at the end of their name (on the website). Like the Advanced Players Guide, Game Mastery Guide, etc. Going by James’ reasoning, I figured they would always be PFRPG now.
And Epic Meepo's reason is probably the right one. If it's part of the PathFinder RolePlaying Game subscription, it's probably superfluous to say it's compatible with the PFRPG. But it is still OGL and so gets that tag. Everything in the PFRPG subscription line, which all of the products you mention is, is fully compatible with the PFRPG almost by definition as they ARE the PFRPG.
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And Epic Meepo's reason is probably the right one. If it's part of the PathFinder RolePlaying Game subscription, it's probably superfluous to say it's compatible with the PFRPG. But it is still OGL and so gets that tag. Everything in the PFRPG subscription line, which all of the products you mention is, is fully compatible with the PFRPG almost by definition as they ARE the PFRPG.
Plus, Paizo is required legally to use the OGL logo on it's products as part of the licensing agreement. So providing the product has the PFRPG logo on it as well, it is fully compliant with the direction Pathfinder has taken, and the OGL logo is effectively historic, noting merely that it was originally derived from the OGL.
Plus, Paizo is required legally to use the OGL logo on it's products as part of the licensing agreement. So providing the product has the PFRPG logo on it as well, it is fully compliant with the direction Pathfinder has taken, and the OGL logo is effectively historic, noting merely that it was originally derived from the OGL.
And Epic Meepo's reason is probably the right one. If it's part of the PathFinder RolePlaying Game subscription, it's probably superfluous to say it's compatible with the PFRPG. But it is still OGL and so gets that tag. Everything in the PFRPG subscription line, which all of the products you mention is, is fully compatible with the PFRPG almost by definition as they ARE the PFRPG.
Remember, I am talking about the descriptor of (OGL) or (PFRPG) next to product names on the website, not what is said on the book. I understand why you need to have OGL on the book itself, but that’s not what I’m talking about.
And sorry for the double post, but it wouldn’t let me edit my last one. But James did explain that the descriptor on the website (OGL or PFRPG) is for consumers to see what ruleset the book uses. That before August 2009 would be OGL and afterwards, PFRPG. Which makes complete sense as that is when the Pathfinder core rulebook came out.
But my confusion is that upcoming books coming out are labeled (OGL), where I would think anything now would be using the Pathfinder ruleset. So therefore, labeled (PFRPG).
I understand you say that they may change up the books between (OGL) and (PFRPG) as all are assumed with the Pathfinders RPG ruleset. And if that’s the case, that’s what I want to hear. I will admit at first it was confusing for me to see when I see a new book marked with (OGL). If it’s assumed all Pathfinder from now on uses the PFRPG ruleset, then I would just rather get rid of the (OGL) or (PFRPG) labels next to the products on the website, entirely.
But, it is just my humble opinion, was not trying to stir up anything, by any means. :)
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And sorry for the double post, but it wouldn’t let me edit my last one. But James did explain that the descriptor on the website (OGL or PFRPG) is for consumers to see what ruleset the book uses. That before August 2009 would be OGL and afterwards, PFRPG. Which makes complete sense as that is when the Pathfinder core rulebook came out.
But my confusion is that upcoming books coming out are labeled (OGL), where I would think anything now would be using the Pathfinder ruleset. So therefore, labeled (PFRPG).
I understand you say that they may change up the books between (OGL) and (PFRPG) as all are assumed with the Pathfinders RPG ruleset. And if that’s the case, that’s what I want to hear. I will admit at first it was confusing for me to see when I see a new book marked with (OGL). If it’s assumed all Pathfinder from now on uses the PFRPG ruleset, then I would just rather get rid of the (OGL) or (PFRPG) labels next to the products on the website, entirely.
But, it is just my humble opinion, was not trying to stir up anything, by any means. :)
The trick is that the older ones, i.e. everything produced before August 2009 were produced for 3.5, not Pathfinder so they should be designated differently.
So here's the breakdown:
Anything before August 2009 will have an (OGL) tag as it is not 100% designed for Pathfinderr (Probably only about 90+%)
The Pathfinder Role Playing line (all of which are produced after August 2009) will be tagged OGL as these ARE the PFRPG so saying they're compatible is in a sense redundant. But I guess that can cause confusion if you look at them individually in the store and aren't a full blown Paizo addict to know the difference.
All other lines (Chronicles, Companion, Adventure Paths, Modules, PAthfinder Scoiety) will be using the PFRPG tag for any product after August 2009.
It also appears Paizo have split their product lines into 3.5 (before PFRPG) and PFRPG, which should make things easier unless you're hopping around the store a lot.
And you're not stirring things up. You had a question so the helpful people who frequent the board all tried to help and ended up making things more confusing as usual.
Thank you, this post makes it MUCH clearer for me! Especially this portion:
Anything before August 2009 will have an (OGL) tag as it is not 100% designed for Pathfinderr (Probably only about 90+%)
The Pathfinder Role Playing line (all of which are produced after August 2009) will be tagged OGL as these ARE the PFRPG so saying they're compatible is in a sense redundant. But I guess that can cause confusion if you look at them individually in the store and aren't a full blown Paizo addict to know the difference.
All other lines (Chronicles, Companion, Adventure Paths, Modules, PAthfinder Scoiety) will be using the PFRPG tag for any product after August 2009.
Now the only question I do have left is you said this:
It also appears Paizo have split their product lines into 3.5 (before PFRPG) and PFRPG, which should make things easier unless you're hopping around the store a lot....
Can you provide an example in how this is labeled on their products? The 3.5 and PFRPG? I want to make sure if we do start getting this PFRPG campaign going, that I am getting books with the PFRPG ruleset, and not 3.5. We have enough of those books. :)
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But, it is just my humble opinion, was not trying to stir up anything, by any means. :)
Never thought you were. I know you're just trying to understand the labeling and stuff. Maybe Paizo should put all Pathfinder compatible products under a separate heading PFRPG instead of OGL if that is what you are meaning.
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Working 52+ hours a week, having children, being the Mr. Fix it guy around the house...who has time to create their own worlds anymore? Adventure paths, Chronicles and many of the modules have given me the ability to continue to run good games with alot of background data with a very small amount of prep time. Add in the OGL to make changes or add something of my own design and its a win win I think. Especially if you want to convert everything to D&D4.0, Rolemaster or Savage Worlds. I have already found alot of wiki information on the area in which I am running my campaign.
I hear ya. I used to run home grown campaigns when I was a student and had time on my hands. Later I invested heavily in WOTC Forgotten Realms for 3.5. Nice setting. I converted some of my AD&D version 2.0 FR stuff for 3.5 as well, because the quality of background detail for 2.0 FR was in my opinion far superior to 3.5. I bought the 3.5 Waterdeep book and was disappointed at the lack of map info, so I went back to the map info for AD&D 2.0.
But now things have changed in FR, 100 years in the future, magic all gone weird etc, so I'm seriously considering looking into Golarion, which sounds excellent.
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Thank you, this post makes it MUCH clearer for me! Especially this portion:
Anything before August 2009 will have an (OGL) tag as it is not 100% designed for Pathfinderr (Probably only about 90+%)
The Pathfinder Role Playing line (all of which are produced after August 2009) will be tagged OGL as these ARE the PFRPG so saying they're compatible is in a sense redundant. But I guess that can cause confusion if you look at them individually in the store and aren't a full blown Paizo addict to know the difference.
All other lines (Chronicles, Companion, Adventure Paths, Modules, PAthfinder Scoiety) will be using the PFRPG tag for any product after August 2009.
Now the only question I do have left is you said this:
It also appears Paizo have split their product lines into 3.5 (before PFRPG) and PFRPG, which should make things easier unless you're hopping around the store a lot....Can you provide an example in how this is labeled on their products? The 3.5 and PFRPG? I want to make sure if we do start getting this PFRPG campaign going, that I am getting books with the PFRPG ruleset, and not 3.5. We have enough of those books. :)
Not a problem. What I meant was that if you looked at them from the Pathfinder store screen the Chronicles and Modules are clearly split into 3.5 and PFRPG links. Pathfinder Society modules are split into Season 0 (3.5) and Season 1 (PFRPG). This didn't happen with the Pathfinder Companion, presumably because there weren't enough Companions to justify a 3.5 only section.
If you're playing in Golarion (the Pathfinder default setting), though, I'd recommend a lot of the Chronicles and Companions anyway as they contain a lot of world flavour and the rules can be either ignored or updated with fairly minimal effort (and Paizo are doiong a lot of that work for you as the Adventurer's Armoury updates a lot of the equipment from the pre-3.5 books).
Not a problem. What I meant was that if you looked at them from the Pathfinder store screen the Chronicles and Modules are clearly split into 3.5 and PFRPG links. Pathfinder Society modules are split into Season 0 (3.5) and Season 1 (PFRPG). This didn't happen with the Pathfinder Companion, presumably because there weren't enough Companions to justify a 3.5 only section.If you're playing in Golarion (the Pathfinder default setting), though, I'd recommend a lot of the Chronicles and Companions anyway as they contain a lot of world flavour and the rules can be either ignored or updated with fairly minimal effort (and Paizo are doiong a lot of that work for you as the Adventurer's Armoury updates a lot of the equipment from the...
Oh ok, I see what you are saying. Yes, that does make it easier to seperate.
Right now we aren't playing PF at all yet, but it looks like our group is going down that route. When we do play, I would like to try playing in Golarian, as there is so much material on it and from what I read of it, it is well fleshed out.
As for the Adventurer’s Armory, I think I will hold off on that one for now. One, to confirm our group will start a PF campaign and two, hoping for a reprint in the near future. When looking over the Adventurer Armory thread, it looks like there is the need for more errata than I prefer and hoping they would fix that in the second printing.
Also, consider that other game systems which use the OGL as their base, such as Mutants and Masterminds, have "(OGL)" after all their product names. Not everyone on the Paizo boards or store necessarily knows that PFRPG is OGL compatible, so this allows someone to see the core books in the storefront and know what game system they use.