Ultron also works because he could be, theoretically, introduced in the Ant-Man movie and then move to major bad guy status in the Avengers. Maybe we could even get the Vision in there as well helping Ultron in the first flick, and the have Hank fix him up at the end and introduce him as an Avenger in the second movie.Very true! Even if Ultron isn't introduced as a villain in the Ant-Man movie, Pym could be seen working on the AI or the robotic body in a 'throw-away scene,' and things could go terribly wrong during the beginning of the Avengers movie.
Hard to say, the Ant-Man movie appears to have been intended as a more comedic thing, with Simon Pegg (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Star Trek) as Hank Pym, presumably spending half of the movie running in terror from 'giant' ants while he figures out how to un-shrink himself and / or communicate with them.
Simon Pegg? I'm there. How do you think the Pym being an insane wife beater thing should be handled(if at all)?
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Any Avengers movie not featuring the Ringmaster and his Circus of Crime is doomed to failure.
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Honestly, as much as I'd enjoy a movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Thor, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Hulk in it, I'd probably enjoy one that featured Hercules, Moondragon, Quasar, Beast, Luke Cage, Demolition Man, and Jocasta just as much. B and C-listers need more love.
Provided both were competently made, of course.
Is an Ant-Man movie in the works? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if they rejiggered Ultron's origin to be created by Tony Stark rather than Pym.
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Any reason that you are against either of those choices?Whedon tends to annoy me with a lot of his work, I just feel he is vastly overrated.
And I'll never forgive Del Toro for botching the Hellboy movies, such a waste of potential. I am very nervous to see what horrible reinterpretations he will put forth with the Hobbit.
I loved the Hellboy movies. I loved Astonishing X-Men. Things are looking up for me I guess... :P
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Actually, I'd like to see a 'legion of the never living' in a movie universe Avengers movie.
Ultimo, a corrupted/possesed JARVIS, maybe some dreadnoughts and Vision. Just to see Vision phase up out of the ground, take out Iron Man by phasing through his chest, his eye beams reflecting off cap's shield and increasing his density to go toe to toe with Thor. If the Wasp is in the movie you can have her get abducted. Sure the Vision gets beat and then becomes a good guy leads the rest of the team to the base and the Avengers save the day. At the end you see Ultron in the shadows and Jocosta laying on a table coming to 'life'...
Bonus points if you can work in the Vision/Jim Hammond connection, just for the actor playing Cap...
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Is an Ant-Man movie in the works? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if they rejiggered Ultron's origin to be created by Tony Stark rather than Pym.Early footage
Lol
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Simon Pegg? I'm there. How do you think the Pym being an insane wife beater thing should be handled(if at all)?Ultron also works because he could be, theoretically, introduced in the Ant-Man movie and then move to major bad guy status in the Avengers. Maybe we could even get the Vision in there as well helping Ultron in the first flick, and the have Hank fix him up at the end and introduce him as an Avenger in the second movie.Very true! Even if Ultron isn't introduced as a villain in the Ant-Man movie, Pym could be seen working on the AI or the robotic body in a 'throw-away scene,' and things could go terribly wrong during the beginning of the Avengers movie.
Hard to say, the Ant-Man movie appears to have been intended as a more comedic thing, with Simon Pegg (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Star Trek) as Hank Pym, presumably spending half of the movie running in terror from 'giant' ants while he figures out how to un-shrink himself and / or communicate with them.
I doubt that will be touched on since it didn't happen while he was Ant-Man.
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I was pretty much a nay-sayer on Joss doing Astonishing, because I was predicting that he'd turn Kitty into Willow and Scott into Xander and Spike into Spike.
I find this particularly amusing, because he's been on record since the beginning that he's a huge X-Men fan, and Kitty is his favorite character, and that aspects of Kitty's personality have colored virtually every female character he's written (and many of the male characters as well).
So he didn't turn Kitty into Willow, he created Willow around a core of Kitty.
And anyone who didn't see Emma Frost in Lilah Morgan or Adelle DeWitt simply wasn't paying attention.
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Honestly, as much as I'd enjoy a movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Thor, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Hulk in it, I'd probably enjoy one that featured Hercules, Moondragon, Quasar, Beast, Luke Cage, Demolition Man, and Jocasta just as much. B and C-listers need more love.
Provided both were competently made, of course.
Oh, I love the C-listers, on just about any team. Any Justice League line-up that *doesn't* include Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman (and has a limited selection of Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, etc.) is my cuppa tea. The terribly over-used Luke Cage (thanks to Bendis) probably wouldn't be on my Avengers C-list dream team, but Moondragon and the Beast would be two of my top picks, along with people like Stingray and Doctor Druid and Tigra!
Moondragon is my favorite. Attitude like Emma Frost, martial arts like Psylocke, and psychic powers that blow Xavier out of the water. (She mind-probed *Galactus*, right after Xavier said that was impossible!) Plus she's all Persis Khambatta-hot with the bald thing going on.
The Avengers roster is a hoot, as a sizable chunk of the team seem to either be people who got their powers from Hank Pym (the Wasp, 'Black' Goliath, Jocasta, Ant-Man 2, Yellowjacket 2) or Hank Pym himself, in his various incarnations (Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket, 'Dr. Pym', the Wasp).
Plus it's just fun to say 'Pym Particles,' because it runs together and sounds like he gets his powers from 'pimp particles.' :)
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I think what a lot of people are experiencing is the same gut wrenching, knee jerk reaction that I had when I heard J.J. Abrams was doing Star Trek. However, it turned out to be a surprisingly good film, and included Simon Pegg in a roll that could be a precursor to him playing Hank Pym. I say give the guy a chance.
Oh, I love the C-listers, on just about any team. Any Justice League line-up that *doesn't* include Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman (and has a limited selection of Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, etc.) is my cuppa tea. The terribly over-used Luke Cage (thanks to Bendis) probably wouldn't be on my Avengers C-list dream team, but Moondragon and the Beast would be two of my top picks, along with people like Stingray and Doctor Druid and Tigra!Honestly, as much as I'd enjoy a movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Thor, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Hulk in it, I'd probably enjoy one that featured Hercules, Moondragon, Quasar, Beast, Luke Cage, Demolition Man, and Jocasta just as much. B and C-listers need more love.
Provided both were competently made, of course.
I knew there was a reason why I liked you so much. I'm still a huge fan of the New Warriors, New Mutants, Morlocks(mini-series), Cloak and Dagger(pick up the one shot!!!), Booster Gold(And my beloved dead Blue Beetle), Robin(before he went on character development roids), Spoiler(especially during the one issue she was Robin, I'm pissed they didn't keep going in that direction), Blood Pack(seriously underestimated/misunderstood), and so many, many others.
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I think what a lot of people are experiencing is the same gut wrenching, knee jerk reaction that I had when I heard J.J. Abrams was doing Star Trek. However, it turned out to be a surprisingly good film, and included Simon Pegg in a roll that could be a precursor to him playing Hank Pym. I say give the guy a chance.
Never!
*throws at battery at Fryer*
Have you seen the magic between the crew members of Firefly?
Yes, and in Aliens 4 also. (old transport ship, crew of random stragglers, etc.)
B and C-listers need more love.
What about West Coast Avengers? LMAO... it would be like the "REAL WORLD" meets "MARVEL"! Tigra gone wild! (Robot Chicken got close to this once with Cat Woman, all DC characters though.)
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The terribly over-used Luke Cage (thanks to Bendis)
Chalk that up as another of my gripes against Bendis. A lot of my favorite C-listers get guilt by association. ;) Iron Fist was lucky that Ed Brubaker had his back.
Well. had.
Moondragon is my favorite. Attitude like Emma Frost, martial arts like Psylocke, and psychic powers that blow Xavier out of the water. (She mind-probed *Galactus*, right after Xavier said that was impossible!) Plus she's all Persis Khambatta-hot with the bald thing going on.
And if you put her on a team with the right characters, comedy gold will ensue. That's a big part of why Peter David's pre-crazy Captain Marvel is still one of my all-time favorites.
Hell, you could make a series that was just about her and Namor locked in a room together. I'd subscribe to that right there.
Persis Khambatta? ...wow, I can see it working.
The Avengers roster is a hoot, as a sizable chunk of the team seem to either be people who got their powers from Hank Pym (the Wasp, 'Black' Goliath, Jocasta, Ant-Man 2, Yellowjacket 2) or Hank Pym himself, in his various incarnations (Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket, 'Dr. Pym', the Wasp).
This raises the inevitable question: Bat-Family VS Ant-Family. Who wins?
I knew there was a reason why I liked you so much. I'm still a huge fan of the New Warriors, New Mutants, Morlocks(mini-series), Cloak and Dagger(pick up the one shot!!!), Booster Gold(And my beloved dead Blue Beetle), Robin(before he went on character development roids), Spoiler(especially during the one issue she was Robin, I'm pissed they didn't keep going in that direction), Blood Pack(seriously underestimated/misunderstood), and so many, many others.
Throw in the Cassandra Cain Batgirl and a bunch of the JLI guys and girls(Crimson Fox(es) and Rocket Red for life!) and this goes almost verbatim for me.
(is likely the only Slam Bradley and Harvey Bullock fanboy on this forum)
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So is there an Avengers list or is everyone speculating?
I ask because if you've looked recently, the current Avengers cast isn't anywhere near old school.
... so whats to stop them from going THAT route?
And to be perfectly honest, I was much more interested in the New Avengers when that comic came out then I was the old one. Then again, I just like Wolverine/Logan with Spider-man so meh.
My own opinion aside, I'm not ruling out the possibility of a different cast of Avengers then the old school one. A movie with a bunch of well known superheroes in ONE go? It would sell. Even if it angered countless of comic fans, it would sell.
Mikaze, though I'm not sure I'd call myself a fangirl, I certainly like Slam and Harvey quite a bit. :)
Regards the original topic: if Joss Whedon is DIRECTING and not writing, I think the movie will be just fine. He's got a good sense of the comic-cinematic and actually has a lot of what it takes to DIRECT a film like this.
I like much of Whedon's work, but I don't think he's the bees knees either, and I agree that writing-wise he should be kept away from other people's characters (thanks god his script for Wonder Woman was scrapped).
I think what a lot of people are experiencing is the same gut wrenching, knee jerk reaction that I had when I heard J.J. Abrams was doing Star Trek. However, it turned out to be a surprisingly good film, and included Simon Pegg in a roll that could be a precursor to him playing Hank Pym. I say give the guy a chance.Never!
*throws at battery at Fryer*
Throw in the Cassandra Cain Batgirl and a bunch of the JLI guys and girls(Crimson Fox(es) and Rocket Red for life!) and this goes almost verbatim for me.
CRIMSON FOX?!??! I ALWAYS loved them!!!!
Personally, I think the man made television watchable again.
No, Tesla made television watchable again with his advances in A/C electricity-based technology. The last time television was watchable on Earth before that was around the time Atlantis got destroyed by that big flood for which Noah built the ark. Dark times, I tell you.
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This raises the inevitable question: Bat-Family VS Ant-Family. Who wins?
The Bat never loses, even against people who are two orders of magnitude smarter than he is, move 1000x faster than he can think (let alone see) and can bench-press small planetoids, so the Bat-Family has the editorial fiat advantage.
So is there an Avengers list or is everyone speculating?
I ask because if you've looked recently, the current Avengers cast isn't anywhere near old school.
... so whats to stop them from going THAT route?
And to be perfectly honest, I was much more interested in the New Avengers when that comic came out then I was the old one. Then again, I just like Wolverine/Logan with Spider-man so meh.
Anywho, as far as I know, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk are the only 'knowns' for the movie. Fox owns movie rights to both the X-Men and Spiderman, IIRC, so they're out.
If the producers attempted to put Wolverine or Spiderman on the team, they'd have to shell out the big bucks to Fox just for permission to do so, and after the Watchman thing, I'm pretty sure nobody is going to go poking that bear again any time soon.
Much speculation to be found here.
I knew there was a reason why I liked you so much. I'm still a huge fan of the New Warriors, New Mutants, Morlocks(mini-series), Cloak and Dagger(pick up the one shot!!!), Booster Gold(And my beloved dead Blue Beetle), Robin(before he went on character development roids), Spoiler(especially during the one issue she was Robin, I'm pissed they didn't keep going in that direction), Blood Pack(seriously underestimated/misunderstood), and so many, many others.
Heck yeah! I've always liked the less common teams. My favorite X-Men lineups have been the X-Men 2099 team, the New X-Men and later incarnations of X-Factor, so yeah. Heck, I like the Acolytes better than the X-Men, most days, and would happily devour a comic based on the misadventures of Joanna Cargill / Frenzy, Carmen Unuscione, Scanner, etc. or various other 'forgotten' mutants like Dr. Cecelia Reyes or Scaleface or Slipstream!
Gah, I just read Joss Whedon is being considered for directing the Avengers movie. I haven't felt this bummed since Del Toro was picked for the Hobbit.
Hmmm... what's wrong with Del Toro and the Hobbit? Peter Jackson would have been great, but I see no problem with Del Toro.
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Heck yeah! I've always liked the less common teams. My favorite X-Men lineups have been the X-Men 2099 team, the New X-Men and later incarnations of X-Factor, so yeah. Heck, I like the Acolytes better than the X-Men, most days, and would happily devour a comic based on the misadventures of Joanna Cargill / Frenzy, Carmen Unuscione, Scanner, etc. or various other 'forgotten' mutants like Dr. Cecelia Reyes or Scaleface or Slipstream!
Fact:* The best X-men team of all time was the post Fall of the Mutants/Australia team consisting of Havok, Dazzler, Longshot, Storm, Wolvie, Psylocke (original flavor), Rogue (strong flying flavor), and Colossus.
*Okay, maybe not a fact, but they were the team when I first started reading X-men, so I have a soft spot for them.
Heck yeah! I've always liked the less common teams. My favorite X-Men lineups have been the X-Men 2099 team, the New X-Men and later incarnations of X-Factor, so yeah. Heck, I like the Acolytes better than the X-Men, most days, and would happily devour a comic based on the misadventures of Joanna Cargill / Frenzy, Carmen Unuscione, Scanner, etc. or various other 'forgotten' mutants like Dr. Cecelia Reyes or Scaleface or Slipstream!Fact:* The best X-men team of all time was the post Fall of the Mutants/Australia team consisting of Havok, Dazzler, Longshot, Storm, Wolvie, Psylocke (original flavor), Rogue (strong flying flavor), and Colossus.
*Okay, maybe not a fact, but they were the team when I first started reading X-men, so I have a soft spot for them.
One big +1. For years I had no idea who Cyclops and Jean Grey were or why everyone on the team kept referring to them!
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I prefer the original 5 X-men flavor for the same reason. X-Factor #1 was given to me by a friend and that's what go me back into comics after having put them down in my early teenage years.Fact:* The best X-men team of all time was the post Fall of the Mutants/Australia team consisting of Havok, Dazzler, Longshot, Storm, Wolvie, Psylocke (original flavor), Rogue (strong flying flavor), and Colossus.
*Okay, maybe not a fact, but they were the team when I first started reading X-men, so I have a soft spot for them.
See I preferred the team of Storm, Gambit, Forge, Banshee, Wolverine, Psylock, and Jubilee because that is when I picked the book up. Man, Psylock was hot in the "X-Duds."
hehe Giant Man was actually called Goliath; just saying hehe; been and interesting thread; I am along the feeling that Joss is very good with his own stories and characters; quite excellent in fact; but his work with other peoples stuff has not been lacking and not near the same excellence; so, am not sure how excited to get about this.
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Is a tragically deceased love interest suddenly shockingly back from the dead?
It's the X-Men. You aren't officially a memeber of the team until you've been declared dead at least once. And they don't consider you a core member until you actually HAVE died and come back. Hell, Jean Grey is freaking Schrödinger's cat...she isn't explicitly dead OR alive unless you are observing her.