I'm also working on a PDF that will have *just* the society legal material on it for easy print-out to Cons and such.
Is that legal to use? I'd be a bit skeptical if someone came up to me with a print-out of a PDF and claimed it was legal because he found it on Joe Blow's website.
I wouldn't know, I don't actually have any PDFs on my website yet. :DHey Karui, has the erase-all-pdf virus on your website worked out yet? or was it to be deployed next week?
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I mean the one that's going to hit those who bookmark it or visit it >:P
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I'm also working on a PDF that will have *just* the society legal material on it for easy print-out to Cons and such.Is that legal to use? I'd be a bit skeptical if someone came up to me with a print-out of a PDF and claimed it was legal because he found it on Joe Blow's website.
I don't see why not. As far as I understand, everything I have on my website is covered under the Pathfinder OGL (or whatever it's called). Otherwise my website couldn't exist. Printing the Pathfinder Society legal material out to have as a reference at a Con, where someone might have a mechanic you aren't familiar with, would be invaluable as I see it.
Also, the print out will of course list all the source books for each mechanic, so it'd be very easy for a GM to look at his "Guide to Society Organized Play", see that it was covered, and call it good.
I will, as I always tend to do, shoot James an email off before I actually make anything like this just to double check.
EDIT: I did a quick look and it seems like that so long as I include a copy of the OGL, it should be well and good. All I have on my site is Open Game Content.
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I mean the one that's going to hit those who bookmark it or visit it >:PI wouldn't know, I don't actually have any PDFs on my website yet. :DHey Karui, has the erase-all-pdf virus on your website worked out yet? or was it to be deployed next week?
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Hey, no scaring away my acolytes! Keep in mind I still hold your minis hostage! >:)
I don't see why not. As far as I understand, everything I have on my website is covered under the Pathfinder OGL (or whatever it's called). Otherwise my website couldn't exist. Printing the Pathfinder Society legal material out to have as a reference at a Con, where someone might have a mechanic you aren't familiar with, would be invaluable as I see it.
Here's what it said in the version 2.0 rules:
"In order to use these additional resources for your character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with you or the printed-out appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanation for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, etc. that you use from the materials listed below. (If you’re bringing a print-out of the pages, they must be from the actual Paizo PDF and not in a blank word processing document)."
Now would I be a tight-ass about it in practice? Maybe not. But the version 2.0 rules were pretty clear that it would not be acceptable. I don't know if this has been changed in the more recent version; I haven't downloaded it yet.
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I don't see why not. As far as I understand, everything I have on my website is covered under the Pathfinder OGL (or whatever it's called). Otherwise my website couldn't exist. Printing the Pathfinder Society legal material out to have as a reference at a Con, where someone might have a mechanic you aren't familiar with, would be invaluable as I see it.
Here's what it said in the version 2.0 rules:
"In order to use these additional resources for your character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with you or the printed-out appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanation for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, etc. that you use from the materials listed below. (If you’re bringing a print-out of the pages, they must be from the actual Paizo PDF and not in a blank word processing document)."
Now would I be a tight-ass about it in practice? Maybe not. But the version 2.0 rules were pretty clear that it would not be acceptable. I don't know if this has been changed in the more recent version; I haven't downloaded it yet.
That's a fair point. If not for Cons, it might be at least a bit more convenient for home games or other games where the players/DM know each other and share books and the like.
In any case, it's a resource I'll make up at some point, if only so I can have a quick document at the Cons I go. I keep a copy of every PDF I've bought on the laptop I bring as well, so if someone really needed a better reference then it could be acquired. :)
Great work on the site, the compilations, and the conversions.
Note that for #13 Prince of Augustana, the Steel Wyverns combat tactics include using reach to attack the PCs, and yet spiked chains no longer have reach. Now, I know we aren't supposed to convert anything beyond CMB and CMD for official Pathfinder Society games, but when I ran this scenario, I swapped out their spiked chains for ranseurs to keep with the spirit of their disarming with reach tactics. (Don't tell Josh Frost!)
Don't get me wrong -- I think this is a fantastic resource! But I wouldn't recommend that people print it out for use at cons when that's not really allowed under the PFSOP rules.
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All I have on my site is Open Game Content.
That's incorrect.
Don't worry—as far as I have seen, you're not violating any of our rules. However, there is an important distinction between Open Game Content—which is available to anyone using the OGL—and non-Open Game Content that's available for certain parties to use under our Community Use Policy. For example, the name Nethys itself is absolutely *not* Open Game Content; it's Product Identity, so it's not available for use under the OGL. You're able to use it only as a non-commercial user publishing under the Community Use Policy.
Some of you might see this as splitting hairs over terminology, but it's actually a crucial difference to us.
By the way, I don't see the actual OGL included on your site. You'll need to post that somewhere—and don't forget to append the OGL Section 15 copyright notices of every product you refer to into the Section 15 copyright notice of your own statement.
Also, on each of the documents that's available as a separate download, could you please include the OGL and the statements required by the Community Use Policy?
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All I have on my site is Open Game Content.That's incorrect.
Don't worry—as far as I have seen, you're not violating any of our rules. However, there is an important distinction between Open Game Content—which is available to anyone using the OGL—and non-Open Game Content that's available for certain parties to use under our Community Use Policy. For example, the name Nethys itself is absolutely *not* Open Game Content; it's Product Identity, so it's not available for use under the OGL. You're able to use it only as a non-commercial user publishing under the Community Use Policy.
Some of you might see this as splitting hairs over terminology, but it's actually a crucial difference to us.
Thanks for the clarification Vic! :)
I still have trouble juggling all the different terminology around, all I knew in my head was that mechanics could be used under the OGL, and that other things (Golarion names, gods, flavor, etc.) was mostly off-limits except for a few things under the Community Use Policy like the Nethys name.
Thankfully I don't plan to ever charge for anything on that site or change the kind of content it provides, so I should be able to avoid the majority of legality issues.
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By the way, I don't see the actual OGL included on your site. You'll need to post that somewhere—and don't forget to append the OGL Section 15 copyright notices of every product you refer to into the Section 15 copyright notice of your own statement.Also, on each of the documents that's available as a separate download, could you please include the OGL and the statements required by the Community Use Policy?
Sure! Sorry about that, most of those were made before I started sharing them out and I just kept using the same template. I'll add the OGL and Community Use Policy information to all those .doc files right away. :)
Edit: As for the OGL on the site itself, I'll upload that as soon as I get home and can access the website files. Sorry again, this is the first time I've really done anything public with the Pathfinder rules.
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Sure! Sorry about that, most of those were made before I started sharing them out and I just kept using the same template. I'll add the OGL and Community Use Policy information to all those .doc files right away. :)
One request: on each of the documents that's available as a separate download, could you please include the OGL and the statements required by the Community Use Policy?
I edited my post asking for one more thing while you were replying... so scroll up!
Thanks!
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Not a problem Vic, I'm glad you came by and cleared this up. I had always been a bit curious if my site was 100% on the up and up or not. Now it almost is!
All the documents that you can download from my site (the five Legacy of Fire conversions and Society conversion) now have the OGL and Community Use text, and I'll add the OGL to the site as soon as I have access at home.
Thanks again!
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So, good news for those who wanted magic items and other things on the site. I've emailed Vic and he's clarified it all for me. Looks like so long as I have the community use policy and OGL on the site (the OGL being added tonight) then having magic items, alternate class features, all that good stuff is fine!
I'll get started on magic items and equipment as my next big addition to the site. If there are alternate class features, alternate summon lists, anything that screams 'alternate rule' to you, send me an email! I won't be searching for those myself until I get this big magic items hump done, but if you point them out to me, I'll add them.
Keep in mind that the only things I'll be putting up on my site are material from Paizo products (no 3rd party material). Besides that, whether they're from 3.5 or PRPG, that's fine by me. I probably won't be including the alternate class features from the Campaign Setting (since those are getting redone) but I'm sure there are other things out there that's fair game.
Phew! I have a lot of work to do! :D
Somebody just got spanked... :D
Somebody just got spanked... :D
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand your reference in that quote. Were you saying that Vic "spanked" Karui for his website?
If that is the case (and my apologies if that wasn't the implication), then I'll have to disagree. Beyond that, I don't think the comment was additive to the conversation nor very respectful of all the work Karui has done nor Vic's professional handling of the situation....despite the 'grin' face tacked onto the end. What I saw was a pretty fair and open dialog about a fairly complex subject.
The 'spanked' comment was unnecessary at best.
And again, if that wasn't the implication then mea culpa.
Fantastic work Karui Kage!
I have been worried about all the feats and traits I am going to miss when I dont own each and every published book about Golarian. Your hard work has fixed the problem, thank you.
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Somebody just got spanked... :DI'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand your reference in that quote. Were you saying that Vic "spanked" Karui for his website?
If that is the case (and my apologies if that wasn't the implication), then I'll have to disagree. Beyond that, I don't think the comment was additive to the conversation nor very respectful of all the work Karui has done nor Vic's professional handling of the situation....despite the 'grin' face tacked onto the end. What I saw was a pretty fair and open dialog about a fairly complex subject.
The 'spanked' comment was unnecessary at best.
And again, if that wasn't the implication then mea culpa.
Thank you for the defense Micco, but there is no need to worry. Hugo and I are quite good friends, and his 'spanked' comment was just playful ribbing. :)
Good! Then my apologies to Hugo.
I just hate to see someone who has done work to help out the community be (apparently) ridiculed. It's a selfish motive, frankly. I don't want people to stop doing cool stuff I can use for free! :)
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So I've been getting back into my Javascript days, playing around with various tests and tryouts. Inevitably, as I work on adding in all the magic items, I can't help but wonder if I have the best layout.
Here is what I'm thinking. Instead of multiple tabs of different things (Feats, Spells, what have you) imagine instead a single page. On it are a number of drop down menus. One to select the Type of mechanic, one to select Society legality (Both, Yes, No), etc. Then more appear, custom to the type of mechanic. If a spell, do you want to show all? Only one class? Only one type of level?
Once all the choices are made, click a button and bam. Page is populated with all the data.
What would people prefer? Something like that, or the current format? I'm partial to either really.
Any chance of making this resource a downloadable utility?
Somebody just got spanked... :DI'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand your reference in that quote. Were you saying that Vic "spanked" Karui for his website?
Now I got spanked...
*goes back to work harder on Wayfinder to make up for the offense with more free-stuff for the paizonian community*
;)
Speaking of Wayfinder, you whould get an Ad into the 'zine, Blake :)
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The Gear section isn't quite done yet, but maybe you want a preview.
Currently every book from the Pathfinder Chronicles line has had its material added, save for the new "Classic Treasures Revisited" which should be done tonight. The next gear added will be from the Companion line, followed by the Pathfinder issues.
A link to the Gear section hasn't been added to any other pages, so you'll need to use the link above or just type it into your browser to get back (for the time being). Once it's complete I'll add the link to the main menu.
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The Gear section isn't quite done yet, but maybe you want a preview.
Currently every book from the Pathfinder Chronicles line has had its material added, save for the new "Classic Treasures Revisited" which should be done tonight. The next gear added will be from the Companion line, followed by the Pathfinder issues.
A link to the Gear section hasn't been added to any other pages, so you'll need to use the link above or just type it into your browser to get back (for the time being). Once it's complete I'll add the link to the main menu.
Amazing Karui! Thank you for the hard work! it is already proving to be a great resource for character/DM prep work purposes! My bag of Pathfinder gooddies is already considerable in size, and your website will make it possible to have my resources available at the game table (via iPhone or iPad).
Cheers!
What's "Besmara's Bison"?
What's "Besmara's Bison"?
I don't know, but if you ask for in in Absalom, you get slapped in the face . . . ;)
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Some of the content was written specifically for PF, and some for 3.5.
Would it be possible to identify (maybe with a different font, or symbol) which items are presented exactly as written, and which have been converted?
This is because there may be differing views on the best way to convert some of the material, and thus there may be several versions of that content available online.
There are also differences in the underlying assumptions between the 2 games. Eg: CMB/CMD bonuses are now generally smaller than in 3.5, since the roll is vs a target DC, rather than opposed checks; references to 'turning attempts' and bonuses to 'turn checks' no longer relevant.
Players and DMs should therefore consider the original text in that light, and tweak to taste.
If it's too much work to go through the whole lists, how about if the list of sourcebook abbreviations stated their original ruleset?
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Some of the content was written specifically for PF, and some for 3.5.
Would it be possible to identify (maybe with a different font, or symbol) which items are presented exactly as written, and which have been converted?This is because there may be differing views on the best way to convert some of the material, and thus there may be several versions of that content available online.
There are also differences in the underlying assumptions between the 2 games. Eg: CMB/CMD bonuses are now generally smaller than in 3.5, since the roll is vs a target DC, rather than opposed checks; references to 'turning attempts' and bonuses to 'turn checks' no longer relevant.
Players and DMs should therefore consider the original text in that light, and tweak to taste.If it's too much work to go through the whole lists, how about if the list of sourcebook abbreviations stated their original ruleset?
That last bit outlines what the end goal would be. Once I'm done with everything I'll be adding a more detailed 'sources' section, in which I'll list the books that came out in 3.5 and ones that came out PRPG. As everything on my site lists the source and is already converted to PRPG, people could then use said list to identify stuff that had been converted from 3.5. :)
The nice thing about this is that, since I'm only using Paizo material, the conversion process is relatively painless. Paizo knew where they were going with Pathfinder RPG for the most part, so the majority of 3.5 stuff doesn't carry with it any huge difficulties in conversion.
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The gear area is finally complete! It has been officially linked with the rest of the site and includes every magic item, mundane item, new item type, and other gear-related things.
Oh, and the Traits area also got re-done with a new layout. Hopefully it looks better than it used to.
Next up, the Additional Rules area, which shall include such things as the new deity-specific summon lists, the alchemical power components from Adventurer's Armory, and more!
Phew. Glad I got over that hurdle.
Edit: Also, how do people feel about semi-spoiler items being listed on the site? Should these get their own area? Or are they fine where they are, with individual DMs just warning their players away from certain items? I do remove any blatantly-story specific information if it isn't related to the item mechanics, but the fact that the mechanics are still listed could be an issue. Some questionable ones I can think of would be, for the Council of Thieves AP:
A couple of things I'm not sure are on purpose:
1. The firearms are completely not on the list but the bullets are.
2. The none bladed combat sheaths are not on the list, and are not priced on the equipment list.
A fine website you have there though.
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A couple of things I'm not sure are on purpose:
1. The firearms are completely not on the list but the bullets are.
2. The none bladed combat sheaths are not on the list, and are not priced on the equipment list.A fine website you have there though.
Oops, I knew I forgot the firearms. I had them written on a note on the side, to help me not forget. Guess that failed! I'll add those tomorrow.
As for the non-bladed combat sheaths, which do you mean? There is a sharpened combat scabbard in the Adventurer's Armory, but I don't see a non-bladed one. Which book is that from?
I have a little question about the Archives.
In the Traits section, there is a trait called "Dilettante Artist" supposedly coming from Elves of Golarion, p.14, but when I open my book, I can't find it.
So is it a mistake ? Where does this trait come from ?
A couple of things I'm not sure are on purpose:
1. The firearms are completely not on the list but the bullets are.
2. The none bladed combat sheaths are not on the list, and are not priced on the equipment list.A fine website you have there though.
Oops, I knew I forgot the firearms. I had them written on a note on the side, to help me not forget. Guess that failed! I'll add those tomorrow.
As for the non-bladed combat sheaths, which do you mean? There is a sharpened combat scabbard in the Adventurer's Armory, but I don't see a non-bladed one. Which book is that from?
Same book, you've included them partially in the equipment section of the website under goods and services. They are not on the equipment list at the top however they are in the descriptions after the collapsible plank and before the copy of a key items.
Here is the entry you have up:
Combat ScabbardP
Source Adventurer's Armory 6
Description
This scabbard is designed to allow you to remove it from your belt as a swift action when drawing the weapon it contains. Taking the Equipment Trick feat (see page 22) for a scabbard gives you additional combat options for using a scabbard. For the purpose of fighter weapon groups, a scabbard for a heavy blade is considered a hammer, and a scabbard for a light blade is considered a close weapon.
However the prices and exacts of them are not on the weapons list, and they are not priced in the goods and services section either. Not to mention I'm not sure what the "close weapon" that the light blade scabbard is.
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Same book, you've included them partially in the equipment section of the website under goods and services. They are not on the equipment list at the top however they are in the descriptions after the collapsible plank and before the copy of a key items.Here is the entry you have up:
Combat ScabbardP
Source Adventurer's Armory 6
Description
This scabbard is designed to allow you to remove it from your belt as a swift action when drawing the weapon it contains. Taking the Equipment Trick feat (see page 22) for a scabbard gives you additional combat options for using a scabbard. For the purpose of fighter weapon groups, a scabbard for a heavy blade is considered a hammer, and a scabbard for a light blade is considered a close weapon.However the prices and exacts of them are not on the weapons list, and they are not priced in the goods and services section either. Not to mention I'm not sure what the "close weapon" that the light blade scabbard is.
Hmm, interesting. I'll have to ask Sean about that, the Combat Scabbard doesn't show up in the table in the actual book either. That explains why I don't have it on my own table, it should be in the "Goods and Services" section under "Adventuring Gear". I'll add it once I get a price/weight from him.
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I have a little question about the Archives.
In the Traits section, there is a trait called "Dilettante Artist" supposedly coming from Elves of Golarion, p.14, but when I open my book, I can't find it.
So is it a mistake ? Where does this trait come from ?
GUH. I know exactly what happened. When I was changing the layout of the traits page over from the table to the current format, I used a lot of 'find and replaces' to change the abbreviations I previously had for sources into the longer names. Unfortunately, I must have done Elves of Golarion first, which would have taken all 'EoG' and turned them into Elves of Golarion. This would include the EoG inside of TEoG (Taldor Echoes of Glory).
The funny thing is, I even remember seeing a lot of references to Elves of Golarion with a strange 'T' stuck in front, and I wondered how that got there and did another find and replace to remove them. Now I know.
In any case, all the correct Taldor Echoes of Glory references are back up. I also added a quick-link to the different trait sections at the top.
Then that just leaves the question of what a "close weapon" is for the light blade combat scabbard :D. I asked that question in the thread for him to answer already though.