Awareness plus awareness.

[PoorWanderingOne]

I cannot believe this has not been asked but I searched and found nothing.

I have a wizard who seems to have ended up with 2 awareness feats. You see I was not to savvy with the rules when I created my specialist diviner and I thought the "Awareness" feat suited a caster who specialized in finding things out. So I took the feat at level one chose a familiar pretty much at random and dove in. A session or two later I was updating my wizard and I noticed the bit about familiars cranting equal to the awarness feat if they were nearby.

My question is do I have +4 perception (+2 from feat, +2 from familiar) or do I only have +2?

or have I missed something?

thanks in advance
j

[DigMarx]

PoorWanderingOne wrote:

I cannot believe this has not been asked but I searched and found nothing.

I have a wizard who seems to have ended up with 2 awareness feats. You see I was not to savvy with the rules when I created my specialist diviner and I thought the "Awareness" feat suited a caster who specialized in finding things out. So I took the feat at level one chose a familiar pretty much at random and dove in. A session or two later I was updating my wizard and I noticed the bit about familiars cranting equal to the awarness feat if they were nearby.

My question is do I have +4 perception (+2 from feat, +2 from familiar) or do I only have +2?

or have I missed something?

thanks in advance
j

Redundant feats don't stack. +2 to Perception.

Zo

[Quandary]

What he said.
It should be pointed out that you are not getting ZERO benefit from actually having it: you still get the benefit irregardless of your Familiar's distance (but I would probably never take that Feat if I had a Familiar).

My opinion is that any reasonable GM would let you change that Feat, given you STARTED OUT with that over-lap, it wasn't a matter of class progression introducing an overlapping ability at some point. Asking if you can change it to Skill Focus: Perception or Sense Motive seems a reasonable request to grant.

[PoorWanderingOne]

Thanks for the quick responses.
I thought the feats would not stack but I could not find anywhere in the book where that was made clear.

Does anyone have a page number reference for this?

thanks again
j

[Beckett]

No page number off the top of my head, but bonus types not stacking is in the magic section, prior to the spells. It should be one of the first topics with where it talks about Arcane Magic, Divine Magic, Spell Preporation, etc. . . about page 250, I think.

[Studpuffin]

The bonus given from Alertness is not typed (that way it can stack with skill focus), so it *could* (cough, cough)... but it doesn't. The *virtual* feat granted by the familiar is *virtually* consumed by the real feat.

;)

[Beckett]

Studpuffin wrote:

The bonus given from Alertness is not typed (that way it can stack with skill focus), so it *could* (cough, cough)... but it doesn't. The *virtual* feat granted by the familiar is *virtually* consumed by the real feat.

;)

Yes, even if they are an unnamed Type, they are the same source, and do not stack. (That is Alertness does not stack with Alertness). Yes it would with Skill Focus, though.

[Studpuffin]

Beckett wrote:

Studpuffin wrote:

The bonus given from Alertness is not typed (that way it can stack with skill focus), so it *could* (cough, cough)... but it doesn't. The *virtual* feat granted by the familiar is *virtually* consumed by the real feat.

;)

Yes, even if they are an unnamed Type, they are the same source, and do not stack. (That is Alertness does not stack with Alertness). Yes it would with Skill Focus, though.

Yep. :D

[meatrace]

Quandary wrote:

What he said.

It should be pointed out that you are not getting ZERO benefit from actually having it: you still get the benefit irregardless of your Familiar's distance (but I would probably never take that Feat if I had a Familiar).

I just wanted to point out that irregardless is not a word because I'm a grammar nazi.