Yep, stagflation as a result of his retarded wage and price controls, the War on Drugs (sorry, Nixon started that one, not Reagan), and a host of other "damn, why did we elect this RINO again?" moments give me so many warn fuzzies about Nixon...I tend to agree with you on your Nixon comments; but Watergate, and his connection directly or indirectly, will forever taint any accomplishments made as a president.Carter, Ford, and Nixon were better presidents.I'd put Bush Jr. and Carter about even. Nixon, I suspect, would be remembered a LOT more kindly today if he hadn't overstepped himself at the end there.
I concur. Even factoring out his criminal choices he was a wretched excuse for a president.
I am not sure which is funnier, the sign or all the comments to the story.
I wonder if anyone has done more damage to the conservative brand that W in the past 20 years?
I remember hearing how Reagan was the worst president ever.
I remember hearing how Reagan was the worst president ever.
He was too liberal for me, but I think was far better than the Bushes, and he did a much better job selling the brand.
I removed a couple of "jokes" that were in really poor taste. The last thing I want to have to do with my day is answer questions for the Secret Service.
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I removed a couple of "jokes" that were in really poor taste. The last thing I want to have to do with my day is answer questions for the Secret Service.That's why he doesn't work for Steve Jackson Games. :)
I had the chance to talk with Steve Jackson when all that was going on (it happened when I was at UT), and, man, he was not amused. Bad times.
A pox on both their houses. I've been tired of having to choose between 2 scumbags for various offices for quite a while now.
Why settle for the Lesser Evil?
In all seriousness, I concur greatly.
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I removed a couple of "jokes" that were in really poor taste. The last thing I want to have to do with my day is answer questions for the Secret Service.That's why he doesn't work for Steve Jackson Games. :)I had the chance to talk with Steve Jackson when all that was going on (it happened when I was at UT), and, man, he was not amused. Bad times.
I bet he was pissed at the time.
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I had the chance to talk with Steve Jackson when all that was going on (it happened when I was at UT), and, man, he was not amused. Bad times.
Yeah, what I'm trying to remember is whose administration that was. That fiasco probably cost them the all-important GURPS demographic.
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I had the chance to talk with Steve Jackson when all that was going on (it happened when I was at UT), and, man, he was not amused. Bad times.Yeah, what I'm trying to remember is whose administration that was. That fiasco probably cost them the all-important GURPS demographic.
That would be Bush 41. The autoduel/car wars/toon/GURPS voting bloc skewed heavily for Clinton in 92...
Nixon ended the Vietnam War, helped to open China, did the ground work for the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the U.S.S.R., and the ended the ridiculous gold standard. These were all remarkable achievements IMO. I didn't Say Nixon was a good president but I did think that he was better then you know who.
I concur. Even factoring out his criminal choices he was a wretched excuse for a president.
Ending the gold standard is one of the things I hold against him the most. I think anything but a commodity based monetary system is far too vulnerable to manipulation by the fed and congress, and I think the manipulation and instability of the dollar played a real role in our current fiscal and monetary tragedy of errors.
Being a better president than Bush is setting the bar awfully low. Bush claimed to be conservative and he had a real chance to do some good. Instead he pi$$#@ it all away, and expanded the the size and invasiveness of the state while wasting trillions of dollars. The republicans in the house and senate lacked the courage and insight to fight him every step of the way and paid for it in the last 2 big election cycles.
Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul, had to write him in...
Nixon ended the Vietnam War, helped to open China, did the ground work for the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the U.S.S.R., and the ended the ridiculous gold standard. These were all remarkable achievements IMO. I didn't Say Nixon was a good president but I did think that he was better then you know who.
I concur. Even factoring out his criminal choices he was a wretched excuse for a president.
Ending the gold standard is one of the things I hold against him the most. I think anything but a commodity based monetary system is far too vulnerable to manipulation by the fed and congress, and I think the manipulation and instability of the dollar played a real role in our current fiscal and monetary tragedy of errors.
Being a better president than Bush is setting the bar awfully low. Bush claimed to be conservative and he had a real chance to do some good. Instead he pi$$#@ it all away, and expanded the the size and invasiveness of the state while wasting trillions of dollars. The republicans in the house and senate lacked the courage and insight to fight him every step of the way and paid for it in the last 2 big election cycles.
It's sad how so few people understand how the virtual economy works...
You can't magically create 9 billion dollars without splitting the value of the existing dollars, like a Stock Split...
ridoos...they can loan out 90% on that, so they can loan out 900 million, which get's deposited virtually and can now loan out another 90% of it, so 810 million....which get's deposited to loan out 720, repeat for 630 million...etc etc etc...so that 1 billion dollars, now split into BILLIONS of virtual dollars...my real dollars lose value...
which is why I now pay $120 a week to feed my family instead of $100 a couple years ago...
Nixon ended the Vietnam War, helped to open China, did the ground work for the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the U.S.S.R., and the ended the ridiculous gold standard. These were all remarkable achievements IMO. I didn't Say Nixon was a good president but I did think that he was better then you know who.
I concur. Even factoring out his criminal choices he was a wretched excuse for a president.
Nixon also created a centralized government budget office. It doesn't sound like much, but imagine trying to plan the federal budget without one. Had Nixon not been involved in Watergate, he would have a solid second tier reputation comparable to Eisenhower, IMO.
Bitter Thorn, I am surprised you haven't brought up the wage and price freezes Nixon instituted.
Somewhere in this thread, there is a nazi.
Nixon ended the Vietnam War, helped to open China, did the ground work for the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the U.S.S.R., and the ended the ridiculous gold standard. These were all remarkable achievements IMO. I didn't Say Nixon was a good president but I did think that he was better then you know who.
I concur. Even factoring out his criminal choices he was a wretched excuse for a president.
Nixon also created a centralized government budget office. It doesn't sound like much, but imagine trying to plan the federal budget without one. Had Nixon not been involved in Watergate, he would have a solid second tier reputation comparable to Eisenhower, IMO.
Bitter Thorn, I am surprised you haven't brought up the wage and price freezes Nixon instituted.
HD mentioned it already up thread, but it's another fine reason to detest Nixon.
Somewhere in this thread, there is a nazi.
Godwin? So soon?
For one, I don't think Obama ever got a DUI. Bush has had three.However, they both can agree on the positive qualities of cocaine.
Hookers and blow....always my favorite.
Hookers and blow....always my favorite.For one, I don't think Obama ever got a DUI. Bush has had three.However, they both can agree on the positive qualities of cocaine.
I hadn't given much thought to the fact that our two most recent presidents are coke heads, and yet the war on drugs continues? How broken is that?
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I hadn't given much thought to the fact that our two most recent presidents are coke heads, and yet the war on drugs continues? How broken is that?Hookers and blow....always my favorite.For one, I don't think Obama ever got a DUI. Bush has had three.However, they both can agree on the positive qualities of cocaine.
It just means that we have moved to a new generation for our leaders.
Don't forget Clinton. He only said he didn't inhale.
LOL! I truly couldn't care less that he got stoned in the 60's in college, but why the reflex to lie?
Have we gotten to the point where we are OK with the hypocrisy?
I really don't care if it weren't for the millions of people whose lives have been hammered by the war on drugs.
I'm off topic now.
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You really have no idea what's going on, do you?
Difference between Bush and Obama is:
How do you come up with that conclusion?Difference between Bush and Obama is:
Bush believed it was better to give 100 people $1,000 each to waste in order to stimulate the economy;
Obama believes it is better to give 1 person $100,000 to waste in order to stimulate the economy.
Compare the Bush tax credits to the Obama Stimulus Bill.
Compare the Bush tax credits to the Obama Stimulus Bill.How do you come up with that conclusion?Difference between Bush and Obama is:
Bush believed it was better to give 100 people $1,000 each to waste in order to stimulate the economy;
Obama believes it is better to give 1 person $100,000 to waste in order to stimulate the economy.
While I agree with your sentiment, I think Guy is going to point out that Bush's tax cuts helped higher income earners. I tend to like all tax cuts, and I know you mentioned tax credits alluding to Bush' stimulus. My last job was a Chevron wind project in WY. I would love to know why wind funding has collapsed in spite of $787,000,000,000 in stimulus and green jobs.
I also happen to hate both Bush and Obama's crony capitalism for Wall street.
...or compare the Stimulus to the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.
...or compare the Stimulus to the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.
I think pres man just did, or were you kidding?
Oh, I thought he was comparing the $300/600/900 tax credit Bush gave out for a few years.
HD mentioned it already up thread, but it's another fine reason to detest Nixon....
Bitter Thorn, I am surprised you haven't brought up the wage and price freezes Nixon instituted.
Missed it. Thanks.
I also happen to hate both Bush and Obama's crony capitalism for Wall street.
I think this is something liberal and conservative people can agree on, but politicians are too close to the money. And in the US the golden rule rules.
Oh, I thought he was comparing the $300/600/900 tax credit Bush gave out for a few years.
Right. I presume he was making the point that the Bush tax credits went straight to the people, but the Obama stimulus went who-knows-where.
I tend to favor anything that lets people keep their own money, but I don't think either made much difference, and they were both done, in effect, with borrowed money.
I prefer the tax credit approach, but like so much that went on with my supposedly fiscally responsible Republicans it worsened the national debt which I believe is hurting our economy far more than most economists seem to believe. As much as I love tax cuts, I think it's a drop in the bucket when weighed against unfunded Medicare expansion, Iraq war, and a total failure of the Republicans to shrink government spending.
HD mentioned it already up thread, but it's another fine reason to detest Nixon....
Bitter Thorn, I am surprised you haven't brought up the wage and price freezes Nixon instituted.
Missed it. Thanks.
I also happen to hate both Bush and Obama's crony capitalism for Wall street.I think this is something liberal and conservative people can agree on, but politicians are too close to the money. And in the US the golden rule rules.
As a free market capitalist the bailouts make my freaking head want to explode for so many reasons.
1) Free markets are supposed to be a meritocracy that rewards innovation, sound management, hard work and risk taking.
2) On the other hand it's supposed to be a meritocracy that punishes incompetence and stupid risk taking.
3) Failure and bankruptcy are supposed to be the logical consequences of gross stupidity and excessive risk and leverage not hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars!
4) The failure of financial institutions that are "too big to fail" would have caused a lot of pain, but it would have also made market space and assets available for leaner, smarter, and more agile firms to grow and reward competence. It also would have served to decentralize capital by eliminating the the firms that were so grossly mismanaged that were "too big to fail".
5) Instead the politically well connected badly run firms ("too big to fail") are rewarded with tax payer dollars because of politics not merit, and soundly run local banks and tax payers foot the bill.
6) I could go on ad nauseaum, but I need a beer and a smoke. GGrrr..
How is it Bush and Obama can say they believe in free markets with a straight face?
Right. I presume he was making the point that the Bush tax credits went straight to the people, but the Obama stimulus went who-knows-where.
I wasn't referring to the tax credits, I was referring the Act Bush signed to give $700 billion to bailout the banks. Kind of a six of one/half-dozen of another comparison to the Stimulus Bill.
In other words, I was agreeing with this statement:
I also happen to hate both Bush and Obama's crony capitalism for Wall street.
Right. I presume he was making the point that the Bush tax credits went straight to the people, but the Obama stimulus went who-knows-where.I wasn't referring to the tax credits, I was referring the Act Bush signed to give $700 billion to bailout the banks. Kind of a six of one/half-dozen of another comparison to the Stimulus Bill.
In other words, I was agreeing with this statement:
I also happen to hate both Bush and Obama's crony capitalism for Wall street.
I hear what you're saying. I would separate stimulus and bailouts to some degree, but it may be little more than hair splitting on my part. After all they are both just slightly different ways for the nanny state to "save us from the crisis" while they pick winners and losers among the politically well connected millionaires.
Exactly, I couldn't agree more.
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You know, I've been asking that for a while now, and people look at me like I've grown a third head.Re: the comments -- I just want to ask most of them, "Obama is different from W exactly how?" They've got a different letters in parenthesis after their names, but otherwise I can't tell the one from the other.I am not sure which is funnier, the sign or all the comments to the story.
“I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'”
You know, I've been asking that for a while now, and people look at me like I've grown a third head.Re: the comments -- I just want to ask most of them, "Obama is different from W exactly how?" They've got a different letters in parenthesis after their names, but otherwise I can't tell the one from the other.I am not sure which is funnier, the sign or all the comments to the story.
“I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'”
Well said!
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You know, I've been asking that for a while now, and people look at me like I've grown a third head.Re: the comments -- I just want to ask most of them, "Obama is different from W exactly how?" They've got a different letters in parenthesis after their names, but otherwise I can't tell the one from the other.I am not sure which is funnier, the sign or all the comments to the story.
“I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'”
I would like to point out that Mr. Hicks was (r.i.p.) a Houstonian and is a personal hero of mine. :)
