| Twin Agate Dragons |
But this latest experiment came up with an unbalanced ratio of matter to antimatter that goes beyond the imbalance predicted by the Standard Model.
What is the reason for this imbalance? Why does this imbalance exist? How does it affect us? It is of my personal opinion that there are so many unexplained scientific that the rationale of it all doesn't come crumbling apart. How much further will test studies go in science? Theres only one of two like outcomes; either we prove the existance of the divine or we completely destroy ourselves.
Crimson Jester
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But this latest experiment came up with an unbalanced ratio of matter to antimatter that goes beyond the imbalance predicted by the Standard Model.
What is the reason for this imbalance? Why does this imbalance exist? How does it affect us? It is of my personal opinion that there are so many unexplained scientific that the rationale of it all doesn't come crumbling apart. How much further will test studies go in science? There is only one of two like outcomes; either we prove the existence of the divine or we completely destroy ourselves.
The reason for the imbalance, it has to be there. Whether this is divine intervention or a case of poor math is yet to be seen.
Why does it exist, well that's what we are going to have to try to figure out. Chances are however it has to do with something else. Gravity or some other force acting upon the particles and adjusting the spin in some way.
How far will tests go? Well pretty far, I think we are a long way from the limits of human knowledge.
We will never prove anything. We will undoubtedly come up with more questions then answers.
The divine is present in all we do despite our ignorance or misunderstandings.
David Fryer
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Theres only one of two like outcomes; either we prove the existance of the divine or we completely destroy ourselves.
I find it highly unlikely that we would ever prove the existence of the divine. If such an event happened it would destroy the need for faith. To learn to walk by faith is one of the chief reasons that the divine placed us here, at least if you are a religious person.
Crimson Jester
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Twin Agate Dragons wrote:There is only one of two like outcomes; either we prove the existence of the divine or we completely destroy ourselves.I find it highly unlikely that we would ever prove the existence of the divine. If such an event happened it would destroy the need for faith. To learn to walk by faith is one of the chief reasons that the divine placed us here, at least if you are a religious person.
Faith can be confidence or trust in a person or thing. As such this does not preclude knowing that the Divine exists. Otherwise a person who has in fact witnessed a miracle could not in fact have faith.
Crimson Jester
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Agreed. Although I have always believed that you must first have faith in order to witness a miracle. Without faith a person would generally speaking look for another more earthly answer for what they had just seen.
You should always look for earthly answers lest you be blinded by falsehoods.
Andrew Turner
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Agreed. Although I have always believed that you must first have faith in order to witness a miracle. Without faith a person would generally speaking look for another more earthly answer for what they had just seen.
Blindingly accepting an event as miraculous is not faith. Even the Catholic Church investigates, extensively, claims of miracle. Rather, I think, faith in a miracle would be recognizing it as such when all other possibilities have been exhausted.
| KaeYoss |
What is the reason for this imbalance? Why does this imbalance exist? How does it affect us? It is of my personal opinion that there are so many unexplained scientific that the rationale of it all doesn't come crumbling apart.
It is my personal opinion that this does miss some important. ;-P
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How much further will test studies go in science? Theres only one of two like outcomes; either we prove the existance of the divine or we completely destroy ourselves.
Or we will keep looking for answers forever.
I think that's likely. Humans are like that. Ever curious. It's why we're humans, and not just another kind of chimp.
And we have plenty of chances to destroy ourselves, not all of them tied to scientific research. A lot of them are tied to lack of knowledge, actually.
And if we won't do it ourselves, our planet, and the universe it's in, has plenty of shots lined up to aim at us.
Crimson Jester
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Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:I fail to see why we have to have a reason to exist, isn't enough that we just do?It could also be that we simply exist is the reason. A beautiful accident in a universe of possibilities.
There are very few accidents and the 'chance' of us being here by pure happenstance is so high as to be a leap of faith to believe such.
| CourtFool |
There are very few accidents and the 'chance' of us being here by pure happenstance is so high as to be a leap of faith to believe such.
Really? Considering the vastness of space, when you multiply any probability, no matter how small, by infinity, you end up with a positive value.
Jeremy Mcgillan
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CourtFool wrote:There are very few accidents and the 'chance' of us being here by pure happenstance is so high as to be a leap of faith to believe such.Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:I fail to see why we have to have a reason to exist, isn't enough that we just do?It could also be that we simply exist is the reason. A beautiful accident in a universe of possibilities.
There's a problem with that logic, only because we don't have the proper context to know for sure. Basically we have no idea how rare life in the universe really is. Therefore we can't put it into proper context.
| Orthos |
Crimson Jester
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Crimson Jester wrote:There's a problem with that logic, only because we don't have the proper context to know for sure. Basically we have no idea how rare life in the universe really is. Therefore we can't put it into proper context.CourtFool wrote:There are very few accidents and the 'chance' of us being here by pure happenstance is so high as to be a leap of faith to believe such.Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:I fail to see why we have to have a reason to exist, isn't enough that we just do?It could also be that we simply exist is the reason. A beautiful accident in a universe of possibilities.
I was speaking more then just the drake equation. Which by the way with available data the answer is 1. Of course Carl Sagan used to say if we are the only intelligent life in the universe what a waste of space.
Crimson Jester
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Crimson Jester wrote:I was speaking more then just the drake equation. Which by the way with available data the answer is 1. Of course Carl Sagan used to say if we are the only intelligent life in the universe what a waste of space.So you are saying we were seeded by aliens? :)
;) now why would I agree with Dawkins
Edit: Tongue firmly placed in cheek.
| Steven Tindall |
Int is my dump stat, That article makes my head hurt.
I always thought the reason we were here is to wring as much enjoyment out of life as possible, to experiance every possible sense and emotion as oftern and as meaningfully as can be humanly done. Maybe that's just my crazyness talking but it seems to work for me.
| another_mage |
There are very few accidents and the 'chance' of us being here by pure happenstance is so high as to be a leap of faith to believe such.
I got a crane with a huge bucket and filled it up with a million d10s. The crane tilted the bucket and dumped all the d10s out on the ground.
The 'chance' of the dice landing exactly the way they did is:1 : (10 ^ 1,000,000) (1 in 10 to the millionth power!)
Quite obviously then, the dice were set that way by God herself. Anything else would be a tremendous leap of faith, wouldn't you agree?
Crimson Jester
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Crimson Jester wrote:There are very few accidents and the 'chance' of us being here by pure happenstance is so high as to be a leap of faith to believe such.I got a crane with a huge bucket and filled it up with a million d10s. The crane tilted the bucket and dumped all the d10s out on the ground.
The 'chance' of the dice landing exactly the way they did is:1 : (10 ^ 1,000,000) (1 in 10 to the millionth power!)
Quite obviously then, the dice were set that way by God herself. Anything else would be a tremendous leap of faith, wouldn't you agree?
No I wouldn't. Thank you for playing.
| Orthos |
another_mage wrote:I have rolled 32d6 in Champions before, haymakers are so much fun.Aberzombie wrote:I'm jealous though - he's got a million d10'sWell, anything more than a handful is a waste...
Edit: ** spoiler omitted **
I've done that in D&D. I love delayed blast fireball.
| Steven Purcell |
Just to get this sort of back on topic (although the crazy dice rolling comments above are funny) we didn't need to exist and the universe would still be here and indeed was here for a long time before we came on the scene so we are to my mind at least a random occurence as much as anything but consider that our galaxy alone has 400 BILLION stars, chances of complex life arising multiple times over that wide a space are actually pretty good without any conscious shaping required given that the rules of science apply everywhere. As for matter dominated, that's just physics working out in a particular way. Now I am an atheist, but hey if others see it as the work of the divine, it's their call to make. I'm just enjoying life as it is and the insights into how existence came to be because it reveals the beauty of existence to explore these things.