Gamma Terra is used in many Gamma World books, so that is likely out as a rename. I would steer away from the word Gamma, just to be safe. Omega World was used in an issue of Polyhedron, so is likewise unsafe to consider. Omega Terra may be a safe title. Maybe something like Omega Dawn. Maybe Omega Chronicles. That could tie to Pathfinder, while playing on being the last possible records of a human only world. Or Nova Chronicles, as recording the history of the renewed world.
I kind of like Omega Chronicles, for the reasons you mention. Actually, all of your suggestions sound good. Will definitely consider Omega something (other than World). Thanks!
I really appreciate it, TAD. I've been editing the rules doc as I find things, and posting errata here as well, but I'm holding off on rereleasing until I'm more confident that I've fixed everything. I figure by the end of January, I'll probably feel ready to rerelease Rules pdf.I'd be more than happy to help out.
Incidentally, I'm strongly considering changing anything that might get me sued before rereleasing. Any ideas on renaming the doc and replacing "Gamma World" and "Gamma Terra"? Monster names might come back and bite me, too, but I don't really know.How about Omega Terra? It has a nice ring to it.
It certainly does. Omaga something for sure, or Something Omega (I think in Latin, terra would come first, but Omega is Greek, so it really doesn't matter). Which sounds better: Omega Terra, Terra Omega, or Omega Chronicles?
I was going to say +4 BAB, but that may be unfair to the rogue, so +5? Hm..
Still thinking on an alternative name. Exactly how are you invisioning the fallout of your campaign setting? Nuclear? Disease? Just curious.
I was going to say +4 BAB, but that may be unfair to the rogue, so +5? Hm..
Still thinking on an alternative name. Exactly how are you invisioning the fallout of your campaign setting? Nuclear? Disease? Just curious.
The beginning of the end was nuclear, but the final Apocalypse is in the 23rd century, so it could be something completely different. Biological warfare, or even nanotech weapons could be ultimately responsible. Definitely global war got things started.
Are you hooked on Omega because it's the last letter in the Greek alphabet or its tie-in to The Omega Man (aka I Am Legend)...?
I was going to say +4 BAB, but that may be unfair to the rogue, so +5? Hm..
Still thinking on an alternative name. Exactly how are you invisioning the fallout of your campaign setting? Nuclear? Disease? Just curious.
If I make it +5, an enforcer can cap it out at 10th char lvl, all others at 12th. That sounds about right to me.
At +4, enf by 9th, others by 11th. Not bad either, really. Since 5-level PrCs appeal mostly becausde you can finish them relatively early in a campaign, perhaps 4th is the way to go?
Are you hooked on Omega because it's the last letter in the Greek alphabet or its tie-in to The Omega Man (aka I Am Legend)...?
Last letter. Of course, Nova was mentioned, Nova Chronicles kind of describes what is happening -- the New Chronicles of Earth, etc.
I was going to say +4 BAB, but that may be unfair to the rogue, so +5? Hm..If I make it +5, an enforcer can cap it out at 10th char lvl, all others at 12th. That sounds about right to me.
At +4, enf by 9th, others by 11th. Not bad either, really. Since 5-level PrCs appeal mostly becausde you can finish them relatively early in a campaign, perhaps 4th is the way to go?
Probably +5 because you don't want those at +4 to be outshining or equal to the level that a rogue can first do similar effective damage, right?
Are you hooked on Omega because it's the last letter in the Greek alphabet or its tie-in to The Omega Man (aka I Am Legend)...?Last letter. Of course, Nova was mentioned, Nova Chronicles kind of describes what is happening -- the New Chronicles of Earth, etc.
When I think of "Nova", I think of exploding stars. And the planet doesn't necessarily have to be Earth. I may have to play with synonyms for awhile.
Probably +5 because you don't want those at +4 to be outshining or equal to the level that a rogue can first do similar effective damage, right?I was going to say +4 BAB, but that may be unfair to the rogue, so +5? Hm..If I make it +5, an enforcer can cap it out at 10th char lvl, all others at 12th. That sounds about right to me.
At +4, enf by 9th, others by 11th. Not bad either, really. Since 5-level PrCs appeal mostly becausde you can finish them relatively early in a campaign, perhaps 4th is the way to go?
True, but there is one advantage for rogue still -- given a flank, he can drop sneak dmg on multiple hits, whereas gunslinger can only make one atk (standard action to use ranged precision).
True, but there is one advantage for rogue still -- given a flank, he can drop sneak dmg on multiple hits, whereas gunslinger can only make one atk (standard action to use ranged precision).
Aren't there differences with regard to the damage based on the actual weapon used by the gunslinger? He may not actually be using traditional guns...
I got Cataclysm A.D. kicking around my head right now....
I got Cataclysm A.D. kicking around my head right now....
Cataclysm is a great word.
[mulling ....]
True, but there is one advantage for rogue still -- given a flank, he can drop sneak dmg on multiple hits, whereas gunslinger can only make one atk (standard action to use ranged precision).Aren't there differences with regard to the damage based on the actual weapon used by the gunslinger? He may not actually be using traditional guns...
It just needs to be some kind of firearm, be it a handgun or a rifle. It can be a flintlock, a TEC-9, a plasma rifle, etc., but to get ranged precision dmg, he must use a standard action, so only 1 shot.
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Maybe Earth AD - very good song.
Anyway I haven't seen any of the work from the DL but I can see you put some serious effort in this. A good source to consider is Darwin's World - they have similar classes (Road Warrior, etc) and use the 3.5/modern ruleset.
I will check this out when I get home. I am re-writting Gamma 3rd ed at this time so I am looking for every and any PA gaming inspiration I can find.
Maybe Earth AD - very good song.
Anyway I haven't seen any of the work from the DL but I can see you put some serious effort in this. A good source to consider is Darwin's World - they have similar classes (Road Warrior, etc) and use the 3.5/modern ruleset.I will check this out when I get home. I am re-writting Gamma 3rd ed at this time so I am looking for every and any PA gaming inspiration I can find.
Who sings Earth A.D.? I had Sepultura's Chaos A.D. in mind when I came up with Cataclysm.
Maybe Earth AD - very good song.
Anyway I haven't seen any of the work from the DL but I can see you put some serious effort in this. A good source to consider is Darwin's World - they have similar classes (Road Warrior, etc) and use the 3.5/modern ruleset.I will check this out when I get home. I am re-writting Gamma 3rd ed at this time so I am looking for every and any PA gaming inspiration I can find.
Cool, I hope you find my work useful for your own work.
BTW, I welcome collaboration, especially on additional supplements to be released in pdf form on a regular basis.
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Chaos AD is an excellent thrash/metal themed gamma song, Earth AD is sung by the Misfits, very good thrash punk. Both work for a dark and gritty Gamma World setting.
I have always liked the name Gamma World as it evokes a huge thought process (in me at least). Gamma - Third- third planet from the sun, Gamma - radiation, third era (WWI, WWII, WWIII), etc.
As far as helping out, tell me where you have any gaps and I can help you try to get them closed up. I will take a look at your link once I get home from work and have time to really give it a look over. I have all the copys of GW in print, and almost every other PA game ever made (stayed away from the magic/gamma/dungeon punk stuff), Aftermath, Morrow Project, etc.
Chaos AD is an excellent thrash/metal themed gamma song, Earth AD is sung by the Misfits, very good thrash punk. Both work for a dark and gritty Gamma World setting.
Duh! I should've known it was the Misfits. *facepalms*
Other name ideas:
Gamma Nova
Gamma Dawn
Omega Alpha (beginning of the end)
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Omega Alpha - how appropriate.
I have just started to look at the pdf, very impressive work you have done here Michael!
1st point/suggestion- I would probably give PSH's free toughness feat and/or +1 hp per level. I would actually go with both.
Pure strain humans are supposed to be tough and traditionally have been in most every edition of the game.
Also I didn't see anything indicating starting treasure or loot, but PSH starting characters should get 1 starting artifact - could be minor but should be relevant to their starting class or background. Maybe a pistol, gren, or ID card. could be a random loot table roll till they get something useful. Human legacy stuff.
Just a few suggestions.
Omega Alpha is probably the best title so far. It also trips easily off the tongue.
Omega Alpha - how appropriate.
I have just started to look at the pdf, very impressive work you have done here Michael!
1st point/suggestion- I would probably give PSH's free toughness feat and/or +1 hp per level. I would actually go with both.
Pure strain humans are supposed to be tough and traditionally have been in most every edition of the game.Also I didn't see anything indicating starting treasure or loot, but PSH starting characters should get 1 starting artifact - could be minor but should be relevant to their starting class or background. Maybe a pistol, gren, or ID card. could be a random loot table roll till they get something useful. Human legacy stuff.
Just a few suggestions.
Doh! I forgot about starting loot. I will put a table in ASAP, and will post it here as errata.
(EDIT: 1 domar = 1 gp, which will make it easier to construct such a table. Enforcers = fighters, espers = wizards, examiners = clerics, scouts = rogues. Does this sound about right?)
Also, I like your suggestions for PSH, and will likely add them in.
Omega Alpha sounds good to me, too. I will hold off on changing title just yet, in case somebody comes up with something that really knocks the socks off, but O A is definitely appropriate.
Omega Alpha: something-something cataclysm.... I just love the use of the word cataclysm somewhere, but need to find the subtitle to make it work. :D
Omega Alpha: something-something cataclysm.... I just love the use of the word cataclysm somewhere, but need to find the subtitle to make it work. :D
Omega Alpha: After the Cataclysm?
O A: Chronicles of the Cataclysm?
Keep thinking, man! I feel we are homing in on it ... :)
I had posted something but after looking it has been used :(
I had posted something but after looking it has been used :(
It's the thought that counts! :)
Does anyone know the Latin for apocalypse or cataclysm, perchance?
Michael, if doing all this work is too much for you, you couyld send me the original document and I'll add in/or change what needs updating.
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TAD, I tried to send you the original doc so you could:
1.) modify it as desired for your personal use;2.) correct anything you find that is clearly incorrect, a typo, or doesn't fit with PF (and then send me a corrected copy).
But the mailer daemon sent the e-mail back to me, saying user doesn't have a yahoo account or something. (I don't have a yahoo account, is it referring to me?)
Also, I forgot to put starting wealth in, which I fixed, but I'd also like to put in a random loot table, similar to that for magic items in PF. My idea is to use cost as a starting point for determining what makes an item "minor", "medium", or "major" (see examiner's artifacts tables). If you'd like a crack at this, be my guest. (This goes for anyone else following this thread who's interested in trying to put a random table together.) I'll probably try to work something out as well, but if you want to work on it, I'll use what you come up with and what I come up with, and go from there.
If, on looking over the costs that I listed for the artifacts, you feel that I've under- or over-priced anything, let me know. (Anyone else who'd like to do this as well, please go ahead and let me know what you came up wth.)
EDIT: Just a reminder that 1 domar = 1 gp (for ease of classifying minor/medium/major).
Does anyone know the Latin for apocalypse or cataclysm, perchance?
I have a Latin dictionary at home, and I'll post the translations when I get home (you must wonder if I ever actually work at work :D).
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Armageddon is a nice one to toss around, but again very biblical.
Apocalypse is good, but all it really means is Revelation, as in the Apocalypse of St.John/Book Of Revelations. Plus it has a very religious/biblical connotation. If that is what you are going for.
Latin
Apocalypse- Apocalypsis
Cataclysm - Cataclysmos
Does anyone know the Latin for apocalypse or cataclysm, perchance?I have a Latin dictionary at home, and I'll post the translations when I get home (you must wonder if I ever actually work at work :D).
Scary! I have a Latin dictionary too, but I think I packed it away recently to make room for other books. :D
Heck, Michael .... I post a lot more than you do on a daily basis. You'd have to wonder if I work!
Omega Alpha is probably the best title so far. It also trips easily off the tongue.
One problem with the name.
It won 2 Ennies, last year I think.
Armageddon is a nice one to toss around, but again very biblical.
Apocalypse is good, but all it really means is Revelation, as in the Apocalypse of St.John/Book Of Revelations. Plus it has a very religious/biblical connotation. If that is what you are going for.
Apocalypse- Apocalypsis
Cataclysm - Cataclysmos
Correct on the A's, which is why I really wanted Cataclysm. I had Aleister Crowley on the brain, who called himself The Great Beast, or To Mega Therion. I was trying to think along the line of To Mega Cataclysmos, or if you know the latin word for After, it would be something like:
Omega Alpha: [After] To Mega Cataclysmos. I think that came to mind as well because (if I remember correctly) Michael had a Durer picture as his front page. Or was it Dore? I can't remember.....
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Good Album - To Mega Therion
I was going through the various PL's and ages. Age of reason, Industrial Age, Fusion age and all the way up to PL 9, but I don't see a "Final/Last Age" description - is it exactly the same as PL3 from way before the war or a modifed version of the PL 3 description?
Also are not making any distictions in PL (used to use Tech level sorry) between the races, Mut Animals generally come from PL1 communities, Mutated Humans PL2, PSH from PL3, or does every player start at the same PL, default 3?
Omega Alpha is probably the best title so far. It also trips easily off the tongue.One problem with the name.
It won 2 Ennies, last year I think.
Is it a computer game or a pnp rpg?
Armageddon is a nice one to toss around, but again very biblical.
Apocalypse is good, but all it really means is Revelation, as in the Apocalypse of St.John/Book Of Revelations. Plus it has a very religious/biblical connotation. If that is what you are going for.
Apocalypse- Apocalypsis
Cataclysm - Cataclysmos
Correct on the A's, which is why I really wanted Cataclysm. I had Aleister Crowley on the brain, who called himself The Great Beast, or To Mega Therion. I was trying to think along the line of To Mega Cataclysmos, or if you know the latin word for After, it would be something like:
Omega Alpha: [After] To Mega Cataclysmos. I think that came to mind as well because (if I remember correctly) Michael had a Durer picture as his front page. Or was it Dore? I can't remember.....
Yeah, it was Durer's "Horsemen of the Apocalypse".
Good Album - To Mega Therion
I was going through the various PL's and ages. Age of reason, Industrial Age, Fusion age and all the way up to PL 9, but I don't see a "Final/Last Age" description - is it exactly the same as PL3 from way before the war or a modifed version of the PL 3 description?
Also are not making any distictions in PL (used to use Tech level sorry) between the races, Mut Animals generally come from PL1 communities, Mutated Humans PL2, PSH from PL3, or does every player start at the same PL, default 3?
The way I gather the PLs to have progressed would be PL 1-9, then the Great Cataclysm at the height of PL 9, which sent most of the world back to PL 1, and the progression begins again, until we reach the current standard of PL 3. Most societies are now PL 3 (which in most respects is like the first PL 3 era, but perhaps different in minor ways), but (just as in our real world), more primitive societies do exist (probably mostly the mutated animals) and even rarer societies hidden away exist at higher PLs (examples in my Eukay setting include the Gods of the Silver Dome, PL 9 pure strain humans who masquerade as gods and demand tribute and slaves from everyone else; the Robotocracy, biodroids and bioreplicas who hide out in the Underground beneath the ruins of "Lun-Dun"; and the residents of Cyberopolis, a city ruled by cyborgs where a mix of PL 3 and higher technologies are available). A certain degree of trade, warfare, and other kinds of interactions would probably result in an average PL throughout a limited geographic area like the former U.K., but a GM might decide to make PL 2 or even 1 the standard, or if someone wanted to run more of a Mad Max, just-after-the-Apocalypse game, the standard PL might be 4 or 5.
Good Album - To Mega Therion
Ah! Good to know there's someone else that's a fan of Celtic Frost out there. Did you ever check out Monotheist? It's just a shame they split up again over personality differences.
The way I gather the PLs to have progressed would be PL 1-9, then the Great Cataclysm at the height of PL 9, which sent most of the world back to PL 1, and the progression begins again, until we reach the current standard of PL 3. Most societies are now PL 3 (which in most respects is like the first PL 3 era, but perhaps different in minor ways), but (just as in our real world), more primitive societies do exist (probably mostly the mutated animals) and even rarer societies hidden away exist at higher PLs (examples in my Eukay setting include the Gods of the Silver Dome, PL 9 pure strain humans who masquerade as gods and demand tribute and slaves from everyone else; the Robotocracy, biodroids and bioreplicas who hide out in the Underground beneath the ruins of "Lun-Dun"; and the residents of Cyberopolis, a city ruled by cyborgs where a mix of PL 3 and higher technologies are available). A certain degree of trade, warfare, and other kinds of interactions would probably result in an average PL throughout a limited geographic area like the former U.K., but a GM might decide to make PL 2 or even 1 the standard, or if someone wanted to run more of a Mad Max, just-after-the-Apocalypse game, the standard PL might be 4 or 5.
Your Eukay setting examples sounds pretty cool, Michael. I have yet to read the PDF in detail; were these included? If not, you should. :D
Your Eukay setting examples sounds pretty cool, Michael. I have yet to read the PDF in detail; were these included? If not, you should. :D
Thanks! I was going to originally, but thought that most people would probably prefer to come up with their own fluff. However, I do have an awesome (if I say so myself) map made on ms paint, and several pages detailing the various political divisions (including rulers, military, exports, etc.), cryptic alliances, and a list of the known ruins of the ancients (Lun-Dun, Glaz-Kow, Bel-Faz, Burning Am, Nodding Am, and others). I will be releasing the campaign as a seperate pdf, with about the same level of detail as the 1980s World of Greyhawk boxed set.
Is it a computer game or a pnp rpg?Omega Alpha is probably the best title so far. It also trips easily off the tongue.One problem with the name.
It won 2 Ennies, last year I think.
PnP, actually. You have to go to the product/purchase page to see that.
Thanks! I was going to originally, but thought that most people would probably prefer to come up with their own fluff. However, I do have an awesome (if I say so myself) map made on ms paint, and several pages detailing the various political divisions (including rulers, military, exports, etc.), cryptic alliances, and a list of the known ruins of the ancients (Lun-Dun, Glaz-Kow, Bel-Faz, Burning Am, Nodding Am, and others). I will be releasing the campaign as a seperate pdf, with about the same level of detail as the 1980s World of Greyhawk boxed set.
Sign me up! :D
Thanks! I was going to originally, but thought that most people would probably prefer to come up with their own fluff. However, I do have an awesome (if I say so myself) map made on ms paint, and several pages detailing the various political divisions (including rulers, military, exports, etc.), cryptic alliances, and a list of the known ruins of the ancients (Lun-Dun, Glaz-Kow, Bel-Faz, Burning Am, Nodding Am, and others). I will be releasing the campaign as a seperate pdf, with about the same level of detail as the 1980s World of Greyhawk boxed set.Sign me up! :D
Will do! :)
Since there's a number of Omega Alphas and all jive, has anyone mentinoed Omega Dawn?
P.S. Did you manage to find your Latin dictionary? I forgot to look last night. :P
Since there's a number of Omega Alphas and all jive, has anyone mentinoed Omega Dawn?
P.S. Did you manage to find your Latin dictionary? I forgot to look last night. :P
I didn't look, 'cause Aux listed the tranalsations already:
Cataclysmos and Apocalypsis.
Since there's a number of Omega Alphas and all jive, has anyone mentinoed Omega Dawn?
P.S. Did you manage to find your Latin dictionary? I forgot to look last night. :P
I didn't look, 'cause Aux listed the tranalsations already:
Cataclysmos and Apocalypsis.
I was looking for 'After'. :D
I was looking for 'After'. :DSince there's a number of Omega Alphas and all jive, has anyone mentinoed Omega Dawn?
P.S. Did you manage to find your Latin dictionary? I forgot to look last night. :P
I didn't look, 'cause Aux listed the tranalsations already:
Cataclysmos and Apocalypsis.
After: adj= posterior (LOL); adv= post (Post apocalypsis or post cataclysmo).
Aftermath: noun = eventus (maybe Eventus ex cataclysmo, "Aftermath of the cataclysm", or Eventus ex apocalypsis?) Both are wordy, but for a subtitle, I think that's not a bad thing.
EDIT: I'm Latin illiterate, so if anyone with some experience in Latin grammar can help us, please do! :)
After: adj= posterior (LOL); adv= post (Post apocalypsis or post cataclysmo).
Aftermath: noun = eventus (maybe Eventus ex cataclysmo, "Aftermath of the cataclysm", or Eventus ex apocalypsis?) Both are wordy, but for a subtitle, I think that's not a bad thing.
EDIT: I'm Latin illiterate, so if anyone with some experience in Latin grammar can help us, please do! :)
Going to keep my gears running if I can think of anything else.
I still think you ought to append your campaign setting to this so it'll eventually be its own product and thus a true separation, although still cited reference, from Gamma World. You're kicking around some really good stuff here, Michael.
Working at a different location today. See how long this lasts. :D
Going to keep my gears running if I can think of anything else.
I still think you ought to append your campaign setting to this so it'll eventually be its own product and thus a true separation, although still cited reference, from Gamma World. You're kicking around some really good stuff here, Michael.
Working at a different location today. See how long this lasts. :D
Thanks, man! :D
I'll be going in to work myself soon. I'm still in the mustering-up-the-motivation stage of working on random loot tables, but as soon as I have a rough draft, I'll post it here. Cheers, and don't work too hard (as you know, I never do!).