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Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

Crimson Jester wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
hey Heathansson check out the Rorschach thread.

I gotta take a break from that stuff for a day.

It's starting to eat my soul.
Yeah I have made my last post there. I had a quote from an interview with the Alan Moore saying Rorschach was meant to be mentally disturbed. But others are taking that means he is not meant to be insane. its like splitting hairs or discussing colors with a blind man. I am through with it.

Good for you for walking away. I saw that exchange, and it made me go "WTF?"

Liberty's Edge

taig wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
hey Heathansson check out the Rorschach thread.

I gotta take a break from that stuff for a day.

It's starting to eat my soul.
Yeah I have made my last post there. I had a quote from an interview with the Alan Moore saying Rorschach was meant to be mentally disturbed. But others are taking that means he is not meant to be insane. its like splitting hairs or discussing colors with a blind man. I am through with it.

Good for you for walking away. I saw that exchange, and it made me go "WTF?"

I've been trying for a couple of days, but I keep getting dragged back in.

It's kept me from starting one and getting pulled into another one though.

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taig wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
hey Heathansson check out the Rorschach thread.

I gotta take a break from that stuff for a day.

It's starting to eat my soul.
Yeah I have made my last post there. I had a quote from an interview with the Alan Moore saying Rorschach was meant to be mentally disturbed. But others are taking that means he is not meant to be insane. its like splitting hairs or discussing colors with a blind man. I am through with it.

Good for you for walking away. I saw that exchange, and it made me go "WTF?"

Yeah I give up. Its like "clapping with one hand" you can do it, but why?


Heathansson wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I've watched the beginning part of it, and yeah I don't get it.
Basically the Angel Summoner can dispach all the bad guys without the BMX Bandit helping. Kind of a analogy of a 'optimized' character and a 'sub-optimal' character. The Optimized guy gets all the glory and the sub-optimal is the funny sidekick.

Kinda like Altai and the rest of you guys.

Except when there's a skullcrusher ogre barbarian that can throw orc shotputs 100 feet at Altai...or whatever the next higher-level equivalent is. Then a fighter's kinda nice.
I noticed they can write Justice League comics with Superman and Batman slap-ass in the comics and everything, except Superman way outclasses Batman.
Yeah: so they gotta give some guy kryptonite numchuks sometimes, so Batman can dunk that guy and grab the limelight. But wtf?

Oh yeah, I am in your corner on this one. Pip is the least optimized dude in that party, but he has a lot of fun and occasionally gets lucky with a clutch spell. In RL, not everyone's the 11B Infantry with Ranger tab, but Ranger Puddin' ain't getting where he needs to be without a plane, won't get fed without cooks and won't have a rifle without the Quartermaster Corps. It's all about teamwork, and not being a dick.

Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

Crimson Jester wrote:
I have heard avast is not bad. I however have not used it in about 6 years so I have no current info to give you on it. In the past I did use it for the firewall and it did something that no other firewall did at the time, which is it gave you the IP address or other info from whom so ever tried to contact your modem.

Interesting. We've also set the security on our router, so (in theory) no one can get into the router. Of course, that doesn't help on the off-chance that my son goes to a gaming site and brings home a virus.

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BMX bandit just needs his own miniseries cos the angel dude had to go to some angel environmental preservation convention in Shangri-la or something, and there's a deathrace he has to compete in to save some chick from getting fed to lazer headed sharks.

Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

What is wrong with having a character concept that you enjoy even if it's not the best (mechanically-speaking) way to run that character? I've played plenty of sub-optimal characters, but I've always stuck with my theme. I have more fun that way, I guess.


taig wrote:

What is wrong with having a character concept that you enjoy even if it's not the best (mechanically-speaking) way to run that character? I've played plenty of sub-optimal characters, but I've always stuck with my theme. I have more fun that way, I guess.

LOL, I don't optimize, I just make the concept and run with it. I don't run in munchkin circles, it's one of the reasons I finally got sick of MMORPGs. If you think it's bad in Pen & Paper games ... O.o

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taig wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I have heard avast is not bad. I however have not used it in about 6 years so I have no current info to give you on it. In the past I did use it for the firewall and it did something that no other firewall did at the time, which is it gave you the IP address or other info from whom so ever tried to contact your modem.

Interesting. We've also set the security on our router, so (in theory) no one can get into the router. Of course, that doesn't help on the off-chance that my son goes to a gaming site and brings home a virus.

well there is that, but also be wary of the router. If it over heats, well I should say mine does this, if it over heats it resets and drops its security settings. Mine did that once and I was real lazy. I was just using my laptop in bed and up comes this message that says an unknown desktop was trying to get into my media files and should I let it.


Moorluck wrote:
Phwew! Kids can really wear a fellow out. Ya'll have a good night, and for those that I won't get a chance to say this to later, Merry Christmas. Sharoth, I hope we get a chance to talk to you tomorrow, I don't know what your plans are but if I don't Merry Christmas buddy. :)

Oh, you will get a call from me tomorrow! ~cues ominous music~

~GRINS~

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taig wrote:

What is wrong with having a character concept that you enjoy even if it's not the best (mechanically-speaking) way to run that character? I've played plenty of sub-optimal characters, but I've always stuck with my theme. I have more fun that way, I guess.

There's nothing wrong with it. Just....if all of the character classes aren't perfectly balanced, that means the game is flawed or something.

Barring that character balance being a theoretical impossibility unless everybody is just given identical "d6 attacks," "d8 attacks" "d6 buffs" "d8 buffs" with different names, like the "d6 attack" for a druid could be called "shillelagh b+&!+slap" whereas for a fighter it'd be "swallowtail flense fang."

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Patrick Curtin wrote:
taig wrote:

What is wrong with having a character concept that you enjoy even if it's not the best (mechanically-speaking) way to run that character? I've played plenty of sub-optimal characters, but I've always stuck with my theme. I have more fun that way, I guess.

LOL, I don't optimize, I just make the concept and run with it. I don't run in munchkin circles, it's one of the reasons I finally got sick of MMORPGs. If you think it's bad in Pen & Paper games ... O.o

Been there, done that, wanted to firebomb Sony. :)

"I have the best character in the game, just like the other 8 million people playing the game. Pwn!"

Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

Heathansson wrote:
taig wrote:

What is wrong with having a character concept that you enjoy even if it's not the best (mechanically-speaking) way to run that character? I've played plenty of sub-optimal characters, but I've always stuck with my theme. I have more fun that way, I guess.

There's nothing wrong with it. Just....if all of the character classes aren't perfectly balanced, that means the game is flawed or something.

Barring that character balance being a theoretical impossibility unless everybody is just given identical "d6 attacks," "d8 attacks" "d6 buffs" "d8 buffs" with different names, like the "d6 attack" for a druid could be called "shillelagh b~%@#slap" whereas for a fighter it'd be "swallowtail flense fang."

Hmmm, that sounds eerily familiar. :)


*We wish you a merry ghost-post*

EDIT: As for the more mathy bits of character optimization, I just wish they had a nice little disclaimer or something. You know, "Just because this build does 3 less damage doesn't mean it sucks! It just means it kills stuff slightly slower!"

Well, at least it should unless the damage is really different when the classes should be doing similar amounts of damage. Then something's going extremely wrong.

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Character concept trumps Character Optimization. However it should not stop you from making a usable character. I have seen a player who went out of his way to make an anti-optimization character. A Half-Orc Bard. then when he was shown a PRC that would make this a usable and interesting Character he purposely multi-classed to something that would make it useless for a level. He kept doing that to make it as useless as he could. It was sad. He didn't even have a character concept that went along with his character just wanted one that was "poor" for lack of a better term.

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Now I'm going to bed. Good night, all, and a happy Christmas Eve Eve!

Liberty's Edge

Unless, of course, one could afford to hire insurance actuaries to create the game and run actual statistical analyses instead of guys on teh interwebz who half remember STA 3100.
Which one can't.


Crimson Jester wrote:
Character concept trumps Character Optimization. However it should not stop you from making a usable character. I have seen a player who went out of his way to make an anti-optimization character. A Half-Orc Bard. then when he was shown a PRC that would make this a usable and interesting Character he purposely multi-classed to something that would make it useless for a level. He kept doing that to make it as useless as he could. It was sad. He didn't even have a character concept that went along with his character just wanted one that was "poor" for lack of a better term.

Well, that's just cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don't MIND finding cool things for my dude, I just have a whacko sense of what's cool. My bard is now PrCing into the Troubador of Stars, which is from the oft-maligned Book of Exalted Deeds. I thought it was really a cool PrC, despite not having a 'bunch of punch'.

As for Sony, the only thing I really wanted in Everquest was my character to have 'Expert Artisan' as a title. God knows how many hours and platinum I wasted chasing that shibboleh!

Yeah I'm weird ...

Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

Crimson Jester wrote:
Character concept trumps Character Optimization. However it should not stop you from making a usable character. I have seen a player who went out of his way to make an anti-optimization character. A Half-Orc Bard. then when he was shown a PRC that would make this a usable and interesting Character he purposely multi-classed to something that would make it useless for a level. He kept doing that to make it as useless as he could. It was sad. He didn't even have a character concept that went along with his character just wanted one that was "poor" for lack of a better term.

Yeah, I don't go for that kind of thing. I did, however, play a rogue who didn't have ranks in Stealth, because he was a tinkerer. He was maxed out on Disable Device and even Use Magical Device. So, the rest of the players are looking at me when we have to infiltrate a keep, and I just responded, "I might be able to build an ornithopter to do some overhead reconnaissance."

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You're never gonna WIN Dungeons and Dragons with that type of Oberoni fallacy.


Duck with a +1 Poodle Slayer wrote:
Jackalope wrote:
Duck with a +1 Poodle Slayer wrote:
Jackalope wrote:
Duck with a +1 Poodle Slayer wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:


Quack!

Duck season!

Rabbit Season!!!!!
Duck Season!!
RABBIT SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RABBIT SEASON!!!!!!
DUCK SEASON!!!FIRE!!!!!

Keeheehahahahahahaheeheeheehee!!


*yawn* post


taig wrote:
lynora wrote:
Gah! MacAfee is EVIL! Er, sorry. I got the files transferred and my new computer all set up, except I can't download my anit-virus program until I get rid of MacAfee. And it just won't die. :(

We had a heck of a time removing MacAfee from my in-laws machine. It's worse than the viruses it's supposed to protect you from. Bleh.

I got it eventually, and now have a happy shiny new computer all set up. ^.^


Davi The Eccentric wrote:
taig wrote:
lynora wrote:
Gah! MacAfee is EVIL! Er, sorry. I got the files transferred and my new computer all set up, except I can't download my anit-virus program until I get rid of MacAfee. And it just won't die. :(

We had a heck of a time removing MacAfee from my in-laws machine. It's worse than the viruses it's supposed to protect you from. Bleh.

Tell me about it, and now I don't know how to get it off. I decided to try the free trial offer, and now I want something that I can actually update in some way. Anyone know some decent free antivirus software I could attempt to replace it with? (Or is McAfee a firewall? I really should keep better track of these things.)

EDIT: Oh, I think I willingly put either McAfee or some other free trial on my laptop too. I had to delete the thing from the hard drive once the trial expired so I could actually turn the Windows firewall back on.

I've been using AVG for the last year and a half and it's worked great for me. Unlike McAfee which wouldn't let me use any of my programs. Apparently using my computer was considered a security risk. :/


Haunted post


Solnes wrote:
Do you guys have any idea how hard it is to find a nice baby doll two days before Christmas?!

The toy or the teddy? I vote for the latter. ;)


Moorluck wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
You realize that we have this shiney new toy nd nobody wants to play wth it?

What did Solnes tell you!?

Oh you meant the thread... yeah where is everybody?

<bones> damn it, jim. i'm a doctor, not a janitor. </bones>

Chores done. Never do something real good else she'll be sure you'll be doing it again. ;P


Moorluck wrote:
Dill Dotee Baggins wrote:
Jackalope wrote:
*runs through thread again, dropping Woodraven's ale mug off along the way*

~Opens up on Jackalope with a railgun, missning and destroying a Play-Doh sculpture of Solnes breast.~

Awwwwe crapsticks! Ah'm gonna be in truble fer that thur huh?

Yes, yes you are. For that you are confined to a 4x4 cell with Sandra Bernhardt for 36 days.

Forget that, I'll sign up as the demonstration dummy in Cheney's waterboarding class down at Gitmo. Maybe he can follow up with a shooting demonstration.

*blam*

"My liver"


Just great. Is everyone in the Rorschach thread? Grr... Guess I should take a peek. It won't hurt...will it?


Done reading it. I'm disappointed. I thought it was about the test. I've yet to even seen the Watchmen movie.


Why yes, I do live under a rock.


People, I am not being entertained. Stop shopping, wrapping presents, or peeking in the closet to see what your loved ones got you. It's the same crap as last year because you're impossible to shop for. Fruitcake for you!

:P

May your loot be large, your weapons sharp, and your enemies full of fail. G'nite!

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Urizen wrote:
Just great. Is everyone in the Rorschach thread? Grr... Guess I should take a peek. It won't hurt...will it?

You'd be surprised how much pain a human soul can endure before it consumes itself just. to. end. the. suffering.

I mean... er....no, not at all. ;)

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Urizen wrote:

People, I am not being entertained. Stop shopping, wrapping presents, or peeking in the closet to see what your loved ones got you. It's the same crap as last year because you're impossible to shop for. Fruitcake for you!

:P

May your loot be large, your weapons sharp, and your enemies full of fail. G'nite!

BUT I LIKE FRUITCAKE!! :/


Urizen wrote:

People, I am not being entertained. Stop shopping, wrapping presents, or peeking in the closet to see what your loved ones got you. It's the same crap as last year because you're impossible to shop for. Fruitcake for you!

:P

May your loot be large, your weapons sharp, and your enemies full of fail. G'nite!

Sorry, we were indeed wrapping gifts, last ones.

Finally found that baby doll for the girl child. :D
(The toy doll you pervs!) ;)


Urizen wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
Dill Dotee Baggins wrote:
Jackalope wrote:
*runs through thread again, dropping Woodraven's ale mug off along the way*

~Opens up on Jackalope with a railgun, missning and destroying a Play-Doh sculpture of Solnes breast.~

Awwwwe crapsticks! Ah'm gonna be in truble fer that thur huh?

Yes, yes you are. For that you are confined to a 4x4 cell with Sandra Bernhardt for 36 days.

Forget that, I'll sign up as the demonstration dummy in Cheney's waterboarding class down at Gitmo. Maybe he can follow up with a shooting demonstration.

*blam*

"My liver"

*points and laughs*

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