I did find on Wikipedia where there are "mission-oriented" instead of "warped gratification" type serial killers...
Looks up the wiki. Yah. Unabomber. Rorschach. I can see it.
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Since when are atypical main characters considered "inauthentic"?
Since the subject came up re: whether or not Rorschach is insane, specifically a serial killer. Authenticity might help out when making such a distinction, hell if I know.
If it looks like a dog and barks like a dog, well......a hyena kinda looks like a dog, but......Did Rorschach wet his bed past age of five, and as a child light a lot of fires and indulge in cruelty to animals?
That's the big three right there....
Hell, maybe it's like in Kazar comics in the 1970's with the three-fingered Tyrannosaurus Rexes, the pteranodons with teeth, and the amalgam triceratops-headed-stegosaurus-bodied whosawhatsits.....they are meant to be dinosaurs....
Many serial killers in the real world do not fit the typical profile. If you acted like Rorschach (and many people in this thread have expressed a fondness for that idea), you would be one of them.
Also, Rorschach is a serial killer. 'Serial killer' has a very simple definition- someone who repeatedly murders people. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, relative to the conversation, by suggesting that he isn't (edit- might not be) an 'authentic' one.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, relative to the conversation, by suggesting that he isn't (edit- might not be) an 'authentic' one.
Since the subject came up re: whether or not Rorschach is insane, specifically a serial killer. Authenticity might help out when making such a distinction, hell if I know.
I think he's an insane serial killer whether or not he's authentic. You could list countless poorly-executed and inauthentic characters who are also insane serial killers. Insane serial killers are, in fact, some of the hardest archetypes to write authentically (it's too easy to make them madcap-boogiemen. But they are what they are, whether that's realistic or not).
I'll grant you that it's hard to discuss his sanity or his worldview in depth without taking it for granted that he's an authentic character, which is what we've kinda been doing. But we've been doing it because real people (I assume?) in this thread have basically expressed the same worldview themselves.
A sociopath is one who is affected with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior. A psychopath is a person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse. The two might sound the same to some, however the differences between sociopaths and psychopaths are very real.
Rorschach fits under the description of a sociopath simply because he has empathy for other people but doesn’t care about ‘rules’ of society.
That said is he insane, no. Rorschach’s defiantly a multi-murderer but he knows right from wrong but he choose not to kill someone unlike a psychopath who is incapable of controlling their urges to kill.
Many serial killers in the real world do not fit the typical profile. If you acted like Rorschach (and many people in this thread have expressed a fondness for that idea), you would be one of them.
Also, Rorschach is a serial killer. 'Serial killer' has a very simple definition- someone who repeatedly murders people. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, relative to the conversation, by suggesting that he isn't (edit- might not be) an 'authentic' one.
Not quite true, a serial killer usually kills a specific type of person in a specific, often in a ritualistic way. Serial killers do not kill at random, they do not usually go on killing sprees and they only target the people that fit their prey type.
Many serial killers in the real world do not fit the typical profile. If you acted like Rorschach (and many people in this thread have expressed a fondness for that idea), you would be one of them.
Also, Rorschach is a serial killer. 'Serial killer' has a very simple definition- someone who repeatedly murders people. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, relative to the conversation, by suggesting that he isn't (edit- might not be) an 'authentic' one.
Not quite true, a serial killer usually kills a specific type of person in a specific, often in a ritualistic way. Serial killers do not kill at random, they do not usually go on killing sprees and they only target the people that fit their prey type.
I am not sure how what you said contradicts or undermines what I said. You are describing what MOST serial killers are like, which is not the same as defining the term itself.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/serial+killer
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/serial+killer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer
Unlawful homicide of at least two people, carried out in a series over a period of time.
Yes, precisely, thank you.
I just said "repeatedly committing murder", which was perhaps a little too simple for failing to say what constitutes a "repeat".
Unlawful homicide of at least two people, carried out in a series over a period of time.Yes, precisely, thank you.
I just said "repeatedly committing murder", which was perhaps a little too simple for failing to say what constitutes a "repeat".
I was just messing with you, the definitions you quoted are correct but are really too simple. According to the strict definitions any policeman or solider who has killed more than once is a serial killer. I was expanding the simple definition to be more accurate in what most law enforcement and legal professionals view as a serial killer..
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The owner of a Topeka liquor store owner won't be charged for shooting two holdup men, one of whom later died.
Cliff Cormier fired on the two men when they tried to rob his store, Cormier's Liquors, on Oct. 19. Several customers were in the store at the time.
One of the suspects, 21-year-old Rickie Lloyd, died later. A 16-year-old was wounded and fled the scene but was later arrested and charged.
Cormier says he opened fire in self-defense.
Shawnee County District Attorney Chad Taylor said Monday he was notifying Topeka police that Cormier won't be charged.
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Not to provoke anything, but:
Here's an interesting example of taking the law into one's own hands from the United States.
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Not to provoke anything, but:
Here's an interesting example of taking the law into one's own hands from the United States.
Wow, thanks for the post Shiney. Um Wow.
Can you remember anything?remember me?I can't remember why I posted this. :/
Was there beer involved? That tends to go badly for me. (the posting more so than the beer) ;)
The law being taken into ones own hands Saudi style.
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The law being taken into ones own hands Saudi style.
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I love how the UAE government official (I presume sheiks count.) uses drugs as his defense for the torture and then uses drug charges to attack his political rivals.
I love how the UAE government official (I presume sheiks count.) uses drugs as his defense for the torture and then uses drug charges to attack his political rivals.The law being taken into ones own hands Saudi style.
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Bad politics are universal.
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Man fights off burglars, severely injures one, receives jail sentence--burglar goes free.
I would have put this in the 'Today in the News' thread, but I think this one deserves its own space and discussion.
Your comments?
are you sure this didn't happened in Mexico?
g&$@!%ed stupid authorities... that was seld defense... what crappy lawyer he got.. or worst... damnable jury who decided to put them man in jail because he has money and the guts to defend his family.
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No, chasing a man down the street, cornering him (along with his brother), then beating him half to death with a cricket bat, which after it broke into three pieces, forced them to move onto using a metal pipe, leaving the man in such a state that he couldn't put in a plea due to brain damage is not self defence.
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No, chasing a man down the street, cornering him (along with his brother), then beating him half to death with a cricket bat, which after it broke into three pieces, forced them to move onto using a metal pipe, leaving the man in such a state that he couldn't put in a plea due to brain damage is not self defence.
oh ok i think i didn't read the full article... the part that i read implied he used the cricket bat as the man still threatened his family...
ofk unfortuantely he indeed went beyond Justice...
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are you sure this didn't happened in Mexico?g~+#$$ed stupid authorities... that was seld defense... what crappy lawyer he got.. or worst... damnable jury who decided to put them man in jail because he has money and the guts to defend his family.
As I have said before the Judge must consider all the possible outcomes the man actions may have had not just the one that happened. Heck the judge even gave him a significantly reduced sentence because of the circumstances. If he had pled guilty instead of denying ever being involved he probably would have had the sentence reduced to time served, a fine and or community service.
