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hi.
just confirming some math w/ the cost of a large masterwork composite longbow ( +7 strength pull )
normally i believe its 100gp ( price of the longbow ) + 0 ( the base strength pull is default +0 ) x 100gp , then add on the 300gp for masterwork.
so a large one would be 2 x ( 100gp + 7 x 100gp ) + 300gp . = 1900gp
is that not right?
two programs my friend uses for calculating cost seem to be programmed so that the base cost of the bow isn't increased, like so:
2 x ( 100gp ) + 700gp + 300gp = 1200gp.
I think the programmers are wrong in this obscure corner case of large composite weaponry. anyone have 2 cents to throw in ?
I don't think the strength increase is doubled; only the actual base cost of the weapon is. The formula should be (2*base cost)+(str bonus*100)+(masterwork cost), which would be 1200 gp.
I am with this interpretation as well.
The BASE cost is doubled, THEN the other mods are stacked on, as per Almagests post.
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You do not see any modification of these extras for small creatures, but you see base cost modification for small creatures.
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I agree with you, it should all (except masterwork) be doubled. FWIW, small creature weapons don't have any cost modifiers at all. Tiny and down do of course, if that's what you meant.
DM ruling though.
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I agree with you, it should all (except masterwork) be doubled. FWIW, small creature weapons don't have any cost modifiers at all. Tiny and down do of course, if that's what you meant.
DM ruling though.
The rule for Large weapons state that they cost twice listed price.
The rule for Strength additions state 100gp added to the cost of the weapon per point, doesn't say to the 'base' cost.
Masterwork uses the same definition - adds to the 'cost'.
So they would be in multiples, but not multiplied :p
hi.
just confirming some math w/ the cost of a large masterwork composite longbow ( +7 strength pull )
normally i believe its 100gp ( price of the longbow ) + 0 ( the base strength pull is default +0 ) x 100gp , then add on the 300gp for masterwork.
so a large one would be 2 x ( 100gp + 7 x 100gp ) + 300gp . = 1900gp
is that not right?
two programs my friend uses for calculating cost seem to be programmed so that the base cost of the bow isn't increased, like so:2 x ( 100gp ) + 700gp + 300gp = 1200gp.
I think the programmers are wrong in this obscure corner case of large composite weaponry. anyone have 2 cents to throw in ?
These rules are right out of 3.5 edition and I am completely amazed that no one has asked this question before. (Based on a Google search and a Wizards forum search).
Going by RAW, both calculations are correct, as it could be interpreted either way. We kind of stumble into the classic chicken/egg, which came first argument.
"A large version costs twice the listed price".
"Each point of Strength bonus granted by the bow adds 100 gp to its cost."
Now, the listed price is indeed 100 gp. However, is the Strength bonus a modification of the listed price, or is it an increase of the listed price (essentially was it easier to say that it adds 100gp per +, or would it have been easier just to list each Str bow and its corresponding price?)
I think you could equally argue both, and that is why this discussion (short of a vote) is not going to end in a concise answer. I think it could come down to what would logically increase the price -- and I believe the only ones in the position to give a logical interpretation would be the Paizo staff, so I sincerely hope that they do weigh in on this topic. (Plus since I have an excel item calculator built into my spreadsheet in development, I would greatly appreciate the clarification.)
If I were trying to analyze this logically (having no actual composite bow construction knowledge, aside from shooting one once), then I think that the actual girth of the bow and string really wouldn't change much, or even the composite components. (Otherwise, a large bow with a larger girth would likely take a higher strength requirement to make it flex, therefore large composite bows would either have a Str pre-requisite, or a build in Str rating.) So, since I suspect the largest change to a composite bow would simply be the length of the bow and not really its overall size I believe first the cost adjustment for size should be taken into account, and then the Str cost modifier added on afterward. (Although I originally felt that the listed cost is the base price plus the Str cost increase -- I now think its the opposite based on this analysis.)
What is certain (because it is stated in the rules) is that the masterwork component and any magical enhancements have the same price regardless of the size of the weapon or armor. Since masterwork uses the exact same text that adding strength to a composite bow does, it seems most likely that the strength increase doesn't cost extra for being done to a larger weapon.
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A more general question would be: Does the cost of getting a masterwork version of the bow increase?
I think the answer to that is 'no', but I'm not sure.
There aren't a whole lot of examples we can reference. using the magical enhancement cost scaling doesn't work, as that's not related to the actual item.
Using the special materials cost scaling doesn't work, as that's based in part on how much of the rare and precious material is used and on that material is more difficult to craft.
So the only real reference we have is the masterwork scaling. I'm honestly not sure if a Large masterwork bow costs more than a medium one; I was never able to figure out how much masterwork horse barding was worth.
What is certain (because it is stated in the rules) is that the masterwork component and any magical enhancements have the same price regardless of the size of the weapon or armor. Since masterwork uses the exact same text that adding strength to a composite bow does, it seems most likely that the strength increase doesn't cost extra for being done to a larger weapon.
This is a good reference point (Page 466). The ability of the bow to handle a larger strength would be more due to its better construction, rather than anything extra being added on. Since masterwork reflects a cost adjustment for better construction, I also believe that this was the intent behind Strength enhanced weapons. As Zurai mentioned, they both read the same too.
I now feel confident in saying that you should apply the masterwork price and strength enhancement price, after the size adjustment has been applied.