"Always a class skill"

[Farabor]

So, I've noticed a lot of the traits seem to give you a skill as "Always a class skill". Is this legacy text from 3.5? I thought, from what I've read, is effectively 'always a class skill', as long as it's a class skill for one of your levels.....

[Dissinger]

Farabor wrote:

So, I've noticed a lot of the traits seem to give you a skill as "Always a class skill". Is this legacy text from 3.5? I thought, from what I've read, is effectively 'always a class skill', as long as it's a class skill for one of your levels.....

You have to remember that if you don't multi class then taking a trait with a skill that isn't a part of your class skills doesn't give you the trained bonus.

Hence why the text "always a class skill" is important.

[Farabor]

Dissinger wrote:

Farabor wrote:

So, I've noticed a lot of the traits seem to give you a skill as "Always a class skill". Is this legacy text from 3.5? I thought, from what I've read, is effectively 'always a class skill', as long as it's a class skill for one of your levels.....

You have to remember that if you don't multi class then taking a trait with a skill that isn't a part of your class skills doesn't give you the trained bonus.

Hence why the text "always a class skill" is important.

err....you're saying that my single class cleric with a trait that gives perception always as a class skill...doesn't actually give me perception as a class skill?

[seekerofshadowlight]

No what he is saying is that it is useful for someone who does not have it on the class list. Even if you have 2 classes you may have a skill that is not on the list for either class.

When you take such a trait the skill becomes a class skill for you from that point on, even if it was not one for your class

Normally you it is far more useful if your class does not have that skill, and you do not plan to take a class that does

[uncleden]

Farabor wrote:

So, I've noticed a lot of the traits seem to give you a skill as "Always a class skill". Is this legacy text from 3.5? I thought, from what I've read, is effectively 'always a class skill', as long as it's a class skill for one of your levels.....

Yes. To all that you wrote.

[James Risner]

Farabor wrote:

traits seem to give you a skill as "Always a class skill".

You don't get the +3 trained bonus if it isn't a class skill.

This text makes it a class skill for every class, so it's purpose is to make sure you get +3 trained if you put a skill rank in it.

In 3.5, it additionally allowed you to buy ranks as 1 point instead of 2 points.

[seekerofshadowlight]

What James said there. You get the +3 for the skill, otherwise you would need to take a level in a class that had the skill

Example time

Say you had a trait that did this with Linguistics. Ok now lets say you made a fighter

Now you may take one rank in it and gain the +3 for it being a class skill. Now the only other way you would ever gain the +3 was if you took a level either in Bard cleric, rogue or wizard. But your fighter has no plans to do so.

So with this trait he still gains the +3 where as without it he would not

[hogarth]

Farabor wrote:

So, I've noticed a lot of the traits seem to give you a skill as "Always a class skill". Is this legacy text from 3.5? I thought, from what I've read, is effectively 'always a class skill', as long as it's a class skill for one of your levels.....

Yes, the word "always" is a bit redundant now.