
ohako |
Is attacking with a klar a 'shield bash'? As in, I can grab all of those cool shield bash feats (in PFRPG) by stabbing people with the, uh, klar-sword?
Also, this means that taking Improved Shield Bash and Two-Weapon Defense is pretty stupid, because two different shield bonuses don't stack, right?
Third question, I guess: the klar is a martial (not exotic) weapon, but it's a 1d6 damage weapon lashed onto a light shield, which makes it better than a light shield and a spiked light shield by a really little. Can you 'culture-restrict' weapons and equipment to various human cultures? Like, no Chelaxians with klars, and no Shoanti with barbazu beards?
Oooh, one last question, this one's _really_ rambling. So far I haven't seen rules for region-specific human languages in the PFRPG. Does this mean that 'Shriikirri-Quah' and 'Wiscrani' are both terms in Common? Or are there different regional languages that different kinds of humans might get their hands on?
EDIT: Question 2, I answered meself. woops!

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Or are there different regional languages that different kinds of humans might get their hands on?
The Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting lists;
Modern tongues (p 18-38);Azlanti - still spoken by some remnants of the Azlanti
Common (Taldane) - Chelaxians, Taldorans, Andorans, etc.
Osirioni - Garundi (Osirion)
Kelish - Keleshites (Qadira)
Hallit - Kellids (Numeria, Mammoth Lords, Linnorm Kings)
Polyglot - Mwangi (combined from dozens of Mwangi languages, essentially their version of Common)
Tien - Tian
Skald - Ulfen (Linnorm Kings, Varisia, Irrisen)
Varisian - Varisians
Vudrani - Vudrani
I'm pretty sure that the Shoanti are supposed to have their own language as well, but it's not listed in the PF Campaign Setting.
Older / dead languages (p 220);
Ancient Azlanti - the Azlanti ('latin' of Golarion, has linguistic descendents ranging from Varisian to Polyglot to Hallit to Taldane)
Ancient Osirioni - lots of heiroglyphics, less words, more words with multiple meanings
Jistka - alphabet still in use, language not so much
Tekritanin - former desert nomads of the Tekritanin League, long since gone
Thassilonian - ancestor of Varisian, distinctive for three sets of runes and three grammatical genders
Much like Greyhawk, there are a dozen human languages, but all elves speak 'Elf' and all dwarves speak 'Dwarf' and all halflings speak 'Halfling.' :)

The Grandfather |

Is attacking with a klar a 'shield bash'? As in, I can grab all of those cool shield bash feats (in PFRPG) by stabbing people with the, uh, klar-sword?
Klar: Traditionally a Shoanti blade bound to the skull of a horned
spirestalker (a breed of Storval Plateau giant gecko), in recent years
the armorers of southern Varisia have started crafting these bladed
shields from iron. You can attack an opponent with a klar, using it as
an off-hand, martial slashing weapon. For the purpose of penalties
on attack rolls, treat a klar as a light weapon. If you use a klar to
make an attack, you lose its AC bonus until your next action (usually
until the next round). Both the sword and shield segments of
a klar can be enhanced separately. An enhancement bonus on the
shield does not improve the effectiveness of the blade.
Basically this makes a klar a fusion of a small slashing sword and a buckler.
Its advantages are that unlike a buckler you can be dropped as a free action and it is a good offhand weapon. In addition you do not suffer the normal attack penalty for carrying a buckler when making attacks.
The description states that you can attack with the blade... nothing about shield bashing, hence the buckler comparison. As such it is reasonable to rule that one cannot bash with a klar.
An improved buckler defense feat (permitting to attack without losing the shield bonus) might be helpful. But I do not think it has been converted to PF.
Third question, I guess: the klar is a martial (not exotic) weapon, but it's a 1d6 damage weapon lashed onto a light shield, which makes it better than a light shield and a spiked light shield by a really little. Can you 'culture-restrict' weapons and equipment to various human cultures? Like, no Chelaxians with klars, and no Shoanti with barbazu beards?
This is a buckler+light slashing blade.
You cannot forbid players from using weapons you yourself have introduced into the campaign. You can however restrict access.Also encourage players to role-player their characters in consistance with their race and culture. Few but Chelaxians would chose to use devil weapons and learning the appropiate exotic weapon proficiencies might be challenging (though might make a good adventure in itself).
Likewise Klar should only be common among Shoanti and people from Southern Varisia.

ohako |
Basically this makes a klar a fusion of a small slashing sword and a buckler.Its advantages are that unlike a buckler you can be dropped as a free action and it is a good offhand weapon. In addition you do not suffer the normal attack penalty for carrying a buckler when making attacks.
The description states that you can attack with the blade... nothing about shield bashing, hence the buckler comparison. As such it is reasonable to rule that one cannot bash with a klar.
An improved buckler defense feat (permitting to attack without losing the shield bonus) might be helpful. But I do not think it has been converted to PF.
Fair enough. All the other shield weapons are called 'shield bashing', and this one isn't. So that means I take Two-Weapon Defense instead of Improved Shield Bash to get that AC bonus back, and that cool shield bashing chain is lost to me. I'm not really convinced that it's buckler-sized, however. The RotRLPG doesn't say whether or not you can use it with a bow or crossbow. I'd assume not. I'll also assume that a wizard with an arcane-bonded klar gets the blade masterwork, but not the shield (although I'd like to see how you get a masterwork bleached giant gecko skull in the first place).
Thanks for the answer.

grasshopper_ea |

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Basically this makes a klar a fusion of a small slashing sword and a buckler.Its advantages are that unlike a buckler you can be dropped as a free action and it is a good offhand weapon. In addition you do not suffer the normal attack penalty for carrying a buckler when making attacks.
The description states that you can attack with the blade... nothing about shield bashing, hence the buckler comparison. As such it is reasonable to rule that one cannot bash with a klar.
An improved buckler defense feat (permitting to attack without losing the shield bonus) might be helpful. But I do not think it has been converted to PF.
Fair enough. All the other shield weapons are called 'shield bashing', and this one isn't. So that means I take Two-Weapon Defense instead of Improved Shield Bash to get that AC bonus back, and that cool shield bashing chain is lost to me. I'm not really convinced that it's buckler-sized, however. The RotRLPG doesn't say whether or not you can use it with a bow or crossbow. I'd assume not. I'll also assume that a wizard with an arcane-bonded klar gets the blade masterwork, but not the shield (although I'd like to see how you get a masterwork bleached giant gecko skull in the first place).
Thanks for the answer.
Funny enough we have a party using klar/falcata style. I was thinking it could be a pretty crazy combo if you could take shield feats to improve AC, two-weapon defense, +5 enhancement to armor and enchant the blade as +5 defending. I think as a DM I would counter with implosion.

The Grandfather |

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Basically this makes a klar a fusion of a small slashing sword and a buckler.Its advantages are that unlike a buckler you can be dropped as a free action and it is a good offhand weapon. In addition you do not suffer the normal attack penalty for carrying a buckler when making attacks.
The description states that you can attack with the blade... nothing about shield bashing, hence the buckler comparison. As such it is reasonable to rule that one cannot bash with a klar.
An improved buckler defense feat (permitting to attack without losing the shield bonus) might be helpful. But I do not think it has been converted to PF.
Fair enough. All the other shield weapons are called 'shield bashing', and this one isn't. So that means I take Two-Weapon Defense instead of Improved Shield Bash to get that AC bonus back, and that cool shield bashing chain is lost to me. I'm not really convinced that it's buckler-sized, however. The RotRLPG doesn't say whether or not you can use it with a bow or crossbow. I'd assume not. I'll also assume that a wizard with an arcane-bonded klar gets the blade masterwork, but not the shield (although I'd like to see how you get a masterwork bleached giant gecko skull in the first place).
Thanks for the answer.
The klar looks a lot like a copy of the Dark Sun tortouse-blade which was based on a buckler.
3.5 has a a feat called improved buckler defense, which would permit you to keep the shield bonus when attacking with the blade. It would make it a viable option even if it does not allow shieldbashing.Klar however occupies a hand, so you cannot hols it while using two handed weapons.

ShadowChemosh |

Klar however occupies a hand, so you cannot hols it while using two handed weapons.
Actually that is not 100% true and its directly from paizo. The feat "Thunder and Fang" pathfinder#10 pg28 lets you take full advantage of wielding a Earthbreaker and a Klar.
You have mastered the ancient Shoanti fighting style of Thunder and Fang, allowing you to fight with increased effectiveness when wielding an earth breaker and a klar. As you swing at foes with Thunder (your earth breaker), you slash at them with the Fang (your klar).
It has been argued that you can wield an Earthbreaker and klar without the feat, but take some extra penalties that the feat removes. I have never seen anything official either way, but with the feat it works really well and you get to keep the klar's ac bonus even.

The Grandfather |

The Grandfather wrote:
Klar however occupies a hand, so you cannot hols it while using two handed weapons.Actually that is not 100% true and its directly from paizo. The feat "Thunder and Fang" pathfinder#10 pg28 lets you take full advantage of wielding a Earthbreaker and a Klar.
You have mastered the ancient Shoanti fighting style of Thunder and Fang, allowing you to fight with increased effectiveness when wielding an earth breaker and a klar. As you swing at foes with Thunder (your earth breaker), you slash at them with the Fang (your klar).
It has been argued that you can wield an Earthbreaker and klar without the feat, but take some extra penalties that the feat removes. I have never seen anything official either way, but with the feat it works really well and you get to keep the klar's ac bonus even.
Since you are arguing for the feat making an exception we must assume that there is a rule preventing this in the first place, i.e. simultaneous use of two handed and light weapons.