I know that some of the discussions have gotten a little heated around here regarding some of the changes, be they from 3.5 to 3.P or from the beta to the "production" version. I just want to say, even all this disagreement hasn't even come close to reaching the horrible, epic, Book of Vile Darkness, vitriolic evil that is pouring forth on the Blizzard boards over the new expansion for WoW coming out next year.
Congratulations, Pathfinder players. We are better than them. Always knew it. Now there's solid proof! Nyah nyah nyah!
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I just want to say, even all this disagreement hasn't even come close to reaching the horrible, epic, Book of Vile Darkness, vitriolic evil that is pouring forth on the Blizzard boards over the new expansion for WoW coming out next year.
Is it really that bad?
I find that difficult to fathom, since that expansion actually has me contemplating getting WoW for the first time.
Yeah, there's soemthing almost disturbing in finding out that with all that some of us have seen (and in some cases, read and posted) in the switch from D&D 3.5 to 4e, and from 3.5 to 3P, that we RPG'ers are the reasonable ones...
I mean, some of us really pride ourselves on our nerd rage...
Is it really that bad?
I find that difficult to fathom, since that expansion actually has me contemplating getting WoW for the first time.
It is horrible. I am also excited about the expansion. Some of these people make me even feel embarassed. I'm sure the people at Bliz try not to listen to all the negativity, but some of the comments must scathe a lot when you've put so many hours of your life and soul into something only to have some d-bag fanboy flay it to bits in a few poorly-constructed sentences.
I feel that, at the very least, we respect the developers here at Paizo enough to offer them our constructive criticisms more often than not and, if we disagree, understand that Rule 0 is holy and that's okay.
I'm sure the people at Bliz try not to listen to all the negativity, but some of the comments must scathe a lot when you've put so many hours of your life and soul into something only to have some d-bag fanboy flay it to bits in a few poorly-constructed sentences.
I'm not trying to disrespect the Blizzard developers, nor excuse any consumer posts...
But considering the piss poor decisions made since merging with Activision, Blizzard employees should be expecting these firestorms.
I know the foul language used when people found out that Starcraft II would be three games... And if the employees didn't get burned over that, this shouldn't be much of a problem.
(I am assuming the language from Starcraft was worse that Cataclysm.)
(I am assuming the language from Starcraft was worse that Cataclysm.)
I didn't really pay attention to the fervor over that, but I know there are a lot of people who will never be convinced that Starcraft will, in fact, be 3 complete games and not a sneaky way to make more money. There are also a lot of people on slashdot bemoaning the "loss" of LAN play. Whatever. /shrug I'll enjoy it.
... but I know there are a lot of people who will never be convinced that Starcraft will, in fact, be 3 complete games and not a sneaky way to make more money.
That is pretty much because it won't be three complete games. It is one complete game with two very high priced expansions to get the content of the other two races. (Zerg and Protos.)
Lemme see if I can find it on Blizzard's site...
Here.
That is pretty much because it won't be three complete games. It is one complete game with two very high priced expansions to get the content of the other two races. (Zerg and Protos.)
Each part to Starcraft will have more missions and units than the previous Starcrafts. I guess they could have just wrapped all 3 in one game and charged $150 for it.
I just want to say, even all this disagreement hasn't even come close to reaching the horrible, epic, Book of Vile Darkness, vitriolic evil that is pouring forth on the Blizzard boards over the new expansion for WoW coming out next year.Is it really that bad?
I find that difficult to fathom, since that expansion actually has me contemplating getting WoW for the first time.
I feel the same way about the new WoW expansion that I do about what WotC did to Forgotten Realms. Arbitrarily blow up the whole world, disregard virtually all established lore, kill off or remove popular characters, the list goes on. It doesn't exactly endear yourself to your longtime fanbase, whether or not it nets you more money.
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I feel the same way about the new WoW expansion that I do about what WotC did to Forgotten Realms. Arbitrarily blow up the whole world, disregard virtually all established lore, kill off or remove popular characters, the list goes on. It doesn't exactly endear yourself to your longtime fanbase, whether or not it nets you more money.I just want to say, even all this disagreement hasn't even come close to reaching the horrible, epic, Book of Vile Darkness, vitriolic evil that is pouring forth on the Blizzard boards over the new expansion for WoW coming out next year.Is it really that bad?
I find that difficult to fathom, since that expansion actually has me contemplating getting WoW for the first time.
Producer: Michael Bay those are explosions, not plot!
Michael Bay: Says who?
I feel the same way about the new WoW expansion that I do about what WotC did to Forgotten Realms. Arbitrarily blow up the whole world, disregard virtually all established lore, kill off or remove popular characters, the list goes on. It doesn't exactly endear yourself to your longtime fanbase, whether or not it nets you more money.
Alright.
With that description, I fully grasp the venom felt. Unfortunately, I don't grasp how that is (because I'm not entrenched in the world) and, if I am truly honest, I don't really care to.
All I can say is, to those that feel that way, I am sorry things turned out how they did.
As sad as that last statement is, it is all I can do on the subject.
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I mean, some of us really pride ourselves on our nerd rage...
"Don't Take away my Hate ... it's all I have!" - The Count of Monte Cristo
ROTFLMAO
In all seriousness tho' ... Wow.
We really have less nerd rage than WoW??? Really?
I'm impressed, if only by our relative smidgen of less smut on our shoes. :-)
I feel the same way about the new WoW expansion that I do about what WotC did to Forgotten Realms. Arbitrarily blow up the whole world, disregard virtually all established lore, kill off or remove popular characters, the list goes on. It doesn't exactly endear yourself to your longtime fanbase, whether or not it nets you more money.
Wow... pun notwithstanding. Nevermind. I can completely identify with that, and man, am I SORRY. No sarcasm. Seriously, it SUCKS when a shared speculative fiction endeavor, be it movies, video games or RPG's takes a dive. I feel for ya.
The Realms' retcon was both good and bad IMHO, but there was enough about it that still filled me with Ire. However, I am all for tipping Sacred Cows onto their heads *said the practicing Hindu* but when it becomes a staccato every-couple-years beat, one has to pause and consider the lack of verisimilitude in the suspension of one's disbelief.
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We really have less nerd rage than WoW??? Really?
Yes.
WAY less.
If you want a superb example, try reading the WoW technical support forums on a Tuesday afternoon after/during an extended downtime. The level of unchecked rage stemming from absolutely unjustified senses of self-entitlement on those boards is completely mind-blowing.
The average post... average, mind you... is a hateful invective full of nasty vitriol that generally accuses Blizzard of complete incompetence and calls into question whether Blizzard has any idea what they're doing at all. All this while completely ignoring the fact that the very reason that the writer is so extremely upset is because they love the game so much and cannot stand to be without it for one day. There is a line of reasoning that is often used in which people assume that because WoW is so popular, that they should be able to foresee and head off any problems. Just from what little glimpse of popularity I have seen from being "behind the scenes" here at Paizo during the rise of Pathfinder (which, admittedly is like comparing my personal wealth management to the GDP of the U.S.), I know that the opposite is true. As you add more people using a system, the complexity of upkeep on that system goes up exponentially. WoW is so big and so popular, that I am often surprised that they keep it going as often as they do!
Honestly if I, in my capacity as a professional Customer Service rep, had to deal with that level of nerdrage as regularly as they do at Blizzard, I would probably end up going postal within a year. I could not work under those conditions, and I don't know how they manage to do it. I mean... could you imagine being Ghostcrawler? That guy gets so much hate on a regular basis.
And, lemme tell ya... You can tell yourself not to take things like this personally all you want: At a certain point, it's really hard to ignore.
It's so bad that I don't go there unless I have a major problem with my game I want to know if the problem is with my computer or not. I log onto their messageboards, look at the titles, and try to glean solely from thread titles and skimming some posts whether or not others are having the same problem I am, and if there is a blue post about it. Then I leave.
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We really have less nerd rage than WoW??? Really?
Yes.
WAY less. ... further examples, etc etc etc
Wow. I feel you. Seriously, used to be Customer Service myself (Aaaaaaages ago) and it was NOT fun. I try to keep those experiences in mind whenever I am engaged in mortal kombat with AT&T or Sprint et al. with customer service.
Having been on both sides of the divide, I can see why either one (Customer Service Rep dealing with Insane, Gibbering Rage, or the Customer driven to that point for whatever reasons) makes rational, reasonable and sane people want to grab a glock and bust a clip into somebody.
I am glad that you've had less of those experiences as a Paizo rep. There are things in life that pull invisible strands, (not to get too philosophical here) and sometimes it helps to look from the outside to see those strands being tugged, as the various players go about their ordained roles, and see the play for what it is.
:-)
But yes, High road and all that! W00t!
*gives all paizo employees and customers virtual cookies*