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I just need a few clarifications about the beast shape spells.
Does a character gain the form's physical attacks (bites, claws, etc.)?
Is the character considered proficient with these attacks?
Does the character use his/her base speed or the speed of the animal form? For instance a human uses beast shape to take the form of a wolf, does the character have a speed of 30 ft. (as a human) or 50 ft. (as a wolf)?

Sir Hexen Ineptus |

Beast Shape I
School transmutation (polymorph); Level sorcerer/wizard 3
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume)
Range personal
Target you
Duration 1 min./level (D)
When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the animal type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent.
Small animal: If the form you take is that of a Small animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and a +1 natural armor bonus.
Medium animal: If the form you take is that of a Medium animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength and a +2 natural armor bonus.
I just need a few clarifications about the beast shape spells.
Does a character gain the form's physical attacks (bites, claws, etc.)?
Is the character considered proficient with these attacks?
RAW, No and No.
Does the character use his/her base speed or the speed of the animal form? For instance a human uses beast shape to take the form of a wolf, does the character have a speed of 30 ft. (as a human) or 50 ft. (as a wolf)?
RAW, character speed, not form speed.
You get what is listed and nothing else.
FYI. (Sort of unrelated.)
PRD for all your quick PF question needs.

Disenchanter |

I just need a few clarifications about the beast shape spells.
Does a character gain the form's physical attacks (bites, claws, etc.)?
Is the character considered proficient with these attacks?
Yes, and Yes. Although it may be hard to find.
Under the Magic section, Spell Descriptions, Transmutation School, Polymorhph PRD(Magic)(Page 211-212 of the core book):
In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks. These attacks are based on your base attack bonus, modified by your Strength or Dexterity as appropriate, and use your Strength modifier for determining damage bonuses.
(I really think there should be a note under all theses spells to look there for more information...)
Does the character use his/her base speed or the speed of the animal form? For instance a human uses beast shape to take the form of a wolf, does the character have a speed of 30 ft. (as a human) or 50 ft. (as a wolf)?
And yes, same location:
Your base speed changes to match that of the form you assume. If the form grants a swim or burrow speed, you maintain the ability to breathe if you are swimming or burrowing. The DC for any of these abilities equals your DC for the polymorph spell used to change you into that form.

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Azzy wrote:I just need a few clarifications about the beast shape spells.
Does a character gain the form's physical attacks (bites, claws, etc.)?
Is the character considered proficient with these attacks?
Yes, and Yes. Although it may be hard to find.
Under the Magic section, Spell Descriptions, Transmutation School, Polymorhph PRD(Magic)(Page 211-212 of the core book)
Thank you very much! I didn't even think to look in that section. Oi!

Sir Hexen Ineptus |

Disenchanter wrote:Thank you very much! I didn't even think to look in that section. Oi!Azzy wrote:I just need a few clarifications about the beast shape spells.
Does a character gain the form's physical attacks (bites, claws, etc.)?
Is the character considered proficient with these attacks?
Yes, and Yes. Although it may be hard to find.
Under the Magic section, Spell Descriptions, Transmutation School, Polymorhph PRD(Magic)(Page 211-212 of the core book)
Nether did I, thanks.
It seems that Jason did a lot of group listings to save on space sense the book is soo big. This is just going to take a little getting used to.

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What happens to feats?
The rules do mention this other than noting you get proficiency in attacks.
For example, if a wizard polymorphs into a dragon, he gets proficiency in the dragon attacks, but does he gain the dragon feats like multi attack?
Does he lose his existing feats?
My reading is that existing feats must be retained, given the example of eschew materials in the rule. Also, additional feats are not gained. Thus if the wizard wants to be a fully operational dragon, he needs to take multi attack as one of his feats in order to use it in dragon form.
Would be useful if the polymorph school rules spelt this out.