Speaking of the Shadowcat, did anyone else ever decide that a Jade Falcon bloodnamed warrior named Katherine Pryde is running around piloting one?
I do not know of what you speak...:)
what is up with all these silly 2nd line versions of front line mechs?I just do not understand the switch from omnis to non monies at all.
what is up with all these silly 2nd line versions of front line mechs?I just do not understand the switch from omnis to non monies at all.
You have conquered Inner Sphere factories and you have a pressingly immediate need for military units.
You might as well use them, no?
It takes the same amount of time to retool to clan tech no matter what you make. If you can build a whole new mech, with a brand spanking new design then you can build omnis just as easy.
Not sure what DA had against Omnis but its hate is showing.
It takes the same amount of time to retool to clan tech no matter what you make. If you can build a whole new mech, with a brand spanking new design then you can build omnis just as easy.
Let me clarify. Since the Mad Cat II, there's a huge glut of 'overweight' designs being rushed off the assembly lines due to the Jihad.
Apparently, "II"ing a 'Mech just requires a retool of the blueprint designs that people are actually familiar with, and the end result cuts design time down significantly. Others are built with 'different' reasons in mind.
Although it looks fairly similar to the workhorse OmniMech from which it derives its name, the Ryoken II is much larger, outweighing the Clan Storm Crow by a full twenty tons. Though not constructed as an OmniMech (an apparent consequence of Bergan Industries’ technical limitations or a rush to get the design into the field as quickly as possible), this ’Mech maintains the same mobility and armor profiles expected of Clan-made heavy designs, keeping pace with familiar standbys like the Mad Cat and the Vulture.
I’ve struggled for eight years to explain the Dasher II and the showcase I attended earlier this year finally gave me the answer in the form of the Dasher II 2. The Sharks’ wily merchant caste sold the Dasher II at a loss to accelerate funding and development of the Model 53b XXL engine. This experimental engine alone costs nearly three times as much as the Dasher II, but the weight saved allows for much-needed upgrades.
A merchant named Daniel championed this tactic. Brought to the attention of Khan Clees by continually exceeding expectations for the Olivetti production facility, Daniel proposed significant manufacturing changes. One of these was the creation of the Shadow Cat II. At a time when many Falcons called for a new heavy ’Mech design, Daniel’s plan ultimately won out on three points: cost-efficiency, ease of development, and a significantly shortened delivery time.
Even the Inner Sphere got in on the act with the DCMS Mongoose II and the WoB Titan II.
There are also four new Clan OmniMechs in 3085 and 3085 supplemental: The Karhu, Flamberge, Arctic Wolf II and Deimos.
The glut of 2nd Line BattleMechs are typically being sent to 2nd Line units so frontline forces can confiscate their OmniMechs in the same way the Watchman and Sentry were created to tide militia crews over. Many of them are described as being halted or abandoned OmniMech designs or even modernized Inner Sphere prototypes. The old OmniMechs are not going away, but if you need 'Mechs and fast, you're going to be better off stamping out large numbers of BattleMechs rather than designing 2 billion different Omni-Pod configurations including an Omni beer keg dispenser.
Not sure what DA had against Omnis but its hate is showing.
Not sure what you had against DA but your hate is showing. :-P
Thought I was pretty clear on my great dislike of DA really ")
I don't buy it..How much does a shadowcat 2 cost? Omnis are not all that much more expensive and in the end save money and allow greater tactical range.
Most of that junk and yes I used the word junk showed up in DA as a wizkid product. It is know the owner of wizkid pretty much hated the clans, omnis and anything after 3025.
I just do not buy the storyline to make em fit. If you have to know the design to II it then you already have all you need to produce those front line units you are making second line mechs to trade in and replacing anyhow. Why make a second line mech when you can make the Omni anyhow?
And you are wrong on the omnies. An omni is always better.. YIf this shadowcat 2 looses a weapon you need one made just for it, you need parts made just for it and you need a lot more time to replace it as It is a battlemech. The Shadowcat omni however can use any weapon pod as they all use the same one and you need 30 mins, regardless of weapon type..
Weapon pods are always a better bet, why made med lasers that only work on one mech and even that takes hours when you can use pod lasers that can be placed on any omnimech in 30 mins?
They went from easy to replace and repair mechs to the old hard to fix, harder to find parts for kind.
Besides I wanted more IS OMNIs damn it :)
You might be right, but the man did dislike the clans and clan tech for the most part.
Still they retcons ed a vast number of DA things and had all that time and full control to play with. This is just silly and unbelievable.
You are making 2nd line mechs based off front line mechs to then send to the second line units to get those very front line mechs you could just build anyhow.
That is damned inefficient and unclan like in many ways. I could understand upgrading IS mechs for 2nd line use, but designing and building whole new types of mechs based off front line omnis just so you can then trade them for ageing front line mechs is just mind boggling
Dude only the lobo is ugly and that is more odd then ugly. The other two I liked.
Yes I have operation Klondike and the golden century .
I think WizKid's "hatred" of omnimech is more likely due to the fact that plastic minis are hard to make into omnimech. Particularly with the way that the clickytech game was set up. It seems more likely that this drove the lack of DA omnis than any personal feelings on the subject.Uller
They tried. They really did.
EDIT: Cut for Snark. I'm backing out of this thread for a bit. It seems unlikely that any of us can see eye to eye over any issue, and I'm getting overly invested in an argument.
Awww I was enjoying the thread really. While its true you are not gonna change my mind on the new stuff and If I was coming off hateful or snarky that was not the intent really.
While as a player I really do not like the changes after 3055, This has been an interesting thread non the less. As a player I get frustrated being wrong, ya know you invest time into a setting and then you come back and most of the stuff you know has been changed or retconed and is just different.
Honestly man, it is kinda neat seeing the other side. And get some info I don't have, even if I still can't stand DA and this jihad stuff.
Also..troll and toad does not like your hot linking it seems.
The "guy who owned WizKids" is Jordan Weismann.
The same Jordan Weismann who wrote BattleTech and CityTech.
He might actually be the Monte Cook of your game genre, possibly even the Gary Gygax.
yes I know who he is. I am trying to find some quotes but they seem long since gone. He really did dislike anything past the 3025 era. He did not like they way the clans had changed the setting or anything past the invasions so he clean swept it. His version of the Jihad and DA is not the same version that Catalyst is now using. They have retconed large parts of his reboot.
Not that I blame him FASA was bad, really bad about handling things and at lest catalyst has cleaned it up {even if I disagree with how they did it} and have done a better job at mangling the setting then both Fasa and wizkids. I may not like the direction they chose to take it, but they have done a good job {other then art anyhow}
Then again it has been many years and maybe I could be miscalling what he disliked. Maybe it was just the tone he disliked,it was his baby and maybe just just didn't like the way it had changed and gotten away from the feel and style of the 3025 are. Which maybe why the mass reboot for the DA game.
Interesting point, Seeker.
And come back, Dies!! I need you here man!!
Ha! Out numbered now Darkage boy!
Also, those links now work and I like the kit fox minis. They make it look decent for once.
Ha! Out numbered now Darkage boy!
Also, those links now work and I like the kit fox minis. They make it look decent for once.
Don't matter buddy. I'll take you on any time and any place. Interesting points were made in that the ORIGINAL PERSON behind Battletech made DA.
Yes he was. Does not change anything now does it? He was also involved in some of those massive goofs that caused so much trouble and his company had a horrible, downright awful track record for continuity.
Catalyst wisely overruled some of his changes and have worked hard to fix most of the glaring issues. I may not agree how they did it, but they have.
I have to say BT is in better hands now then it was both times he was in charge of it. Hate to be that blunt but it is the truth. Both the setting and the Fanbase outgrew the 3025 water and spare parts raids style he seemed to want to keep it in. It changed and came more as it grew and it seems to me he may have wanted to put the paste back in the tube.
I know you like DA, but as it was it was just totally incompatible to the setting. It was the 4E realms of battletech, just using names and images with a whacked out over the top story. Which might have been fine if you just found the game, but was just a big freaking F-you to those who liked the setting.
Now at lest catalyst have changed it and the build up to make it fit better. This thread has pointed out some things got fixed I thought had been left. Yeah hands down the current people do a better job of managing the setting.
It was the 4E realms of battletech
I see now that we must do battle, and soon.
Heh, yeah I would say megamek but for some reason my ISP blocks it. Damn shame really, I am so rusty its not funny.
Heh, yeah I would say megamek but for some reason my ISP blocks it. Damn shame really, I am so rusty its not funny.
I need to get more people into playing MW3..its my preferred game. Never played it over a network though...
I think I will stick to megamek as it uses the battletech rules after all. Need to look into making it work online again
Ok you open the program and select start a new game
2: Then start the program up again {having 2 running at once} and select connect as a computer player
The you just select both you and its mechs and hit done and it will take over.
However this is slow. And the bot is not all that great.Still better then nothing. It should be noted the newer version of megamek uses the correct rule set. Which may have a few changes you do not know, nothing huge just a few things here and there. I'll look up which version was under the old rule set.
The bot has issues. First it plays come and get me ..all to much. Far more then a player would. It will sit on a hill at the end of the map and force you to come to it.
Another thing is it will not use zell or well anything else.
When fighting clan that will not follow zell..never use open terrain.
Works good though right? Best thing to a table game out there..
Yep it is a good program , always being updated. You can get new maps and camo as well. It works good for live games I have been told when both players can connect.
Yep, if you can connect to other players you might want to check the BT forms, they have a megamek subform there.
It is also fun to play around with the options. Makes for some funky games.
It is a "Grand Turtle." Even my beloved B-mer is ugly, in an lovable sort of way.I like the new battlemaster art really
+1 although I'm still fond of the old classic lines.
how is it unclan like? I am not seeing what you are getting at here. And many of the 3050 clan mech are ugly..Gargoyle and Executioner I look at youThe only way that the Dasher can survive more than a few seconds on the battlefield is to sneak up from behind and shank you from behind. Not exactly the epitome of the Clan way of thinking.
I love the Warhawk though.
+1 on the Warhawk love.
I found it morbidly interesting how elementals made good ablative armor for dashers.
Speaking of the Shadowcat, did anyone else ever decide that a Jade Falcon bloodnamed warrior named Katherine Pryde is running around piloting one?
Groooaan. ;)
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I have found my new favorite Omni, the Kingfisher. I was running a scenario where I played a star of assault omni and a star of elementals against a start or medium omnis and a star of heavy omnis. Well I ended up getting my rear kicked, but even with both legs blown off and the pilot unconscious, it still took the opfor 3 rounds of all seven surviving mechs firing on it to finally destroy it. That is what I call one tough mutha.
Yes the kingfisher is a good mech. 90 tons,4/5 movement 14.5 tons of FF armor, standard engine and 24 or so tons of weapons.
Yeah it is a bit light in weapons but can take more punishment then most modern mechs as well. She an old gal, but a solid one.
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The one thing that I don't like about MegaMek so far is that the dice seem to hate me a whole lot more than they do the bot. There seem to be a lot of fights that I should win but then I end up with something like I turned on pavement, and slid into a building, and that caused my LRM 20 to go up in a blaze of glory on my first move, thus taking out my mech. I have problems with that.
Ah yes the RNG is full of hate and wishes you dead. It happens at times. Last fight I hate I got hit with a floating crit with a med laser on round one, on my CT and he hit my engine twice. fresh assault mech, two engine hits from go.
I won that fight mind you, but Gods it was ugly and hard and I was more lucky then good...but I'll take it. Some time the RNG givith, som time the RNG taketh away
Mostly it taketh away.
In fiery explosions and PPC's to the head.
Finally. Been awaiting the new high quality maps since forever.
Finally. Been awaiting the new high quality maps since forever.
Looks good.
Dark Ages FOREVER!!!
Nice cover, very retro looking. Even mimics the old cover, whats the warhammer replacement there? Might make a great gift, but all in the cost.
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Nice cover, very retro looking. Even mimics the old cover, whats the warhammer replacement there? Might make a great gift, but all in the cost.
It could be the new look Warhammer from Project Phoenix. The original Warhammer art is no longer able to be used due to some trademark issues so they redesigned it. It does not look exactly like the new art, but it is close enough that I think it is still the warhammer.
No, I have seen that one, this is a mech I do not know. I am guessing out of the of the last 2 TRO's and a Davion design by the look. Autocannons?
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No, I have seen that one, this is a mech I do not know. I am guessing out of the of the last 2 TRO's and a Davion design by the look. Autocannons?
I have two possibilities.
BattleaxeHammerhands
No, I have seen that one, this is a mech I do not know. I am guessing out of the of the last 2 TRO's and a Davion design by the look. Autocannons?
Right on both counts.
Presented as an Early Age of War era design that since faded into obscurity during the Succession Wars. TRO 3075 Preview: Hammerhands.
Artwork designed to mimic the 2nd Edition Box Set Cover
Yep I noticed that I owned that box, among others. Hammer hands had a good look, that as a good call. I am pleased to see they included a setting book. That was a great idea.
I went absolutely nutbar today and went shopping.
Bought:
Historical Turning Points: Galtor
Historical Turning Points: Misery
Operational Turning Points: Death to Mercenaries
Operational Turning Points: The Red Corsair
Historical Turning Points: Glengarry
Operational Turning Points: Falcon Incursion
Why... I dunno.
I like these little PDF Web-Books. At US$4.95 a piece for the Historicals and $7.99 for the Operations, with the US$ in a deep dark hole in the ground, they comes up to about S$6.50 to $10.50 for me, which is cheap enough that I don't really feel the sting.
Since people aren't likely to have read these yet. I figured... why not.
The Historical and Operational Turning Points cover major events in the Battletech Universe. "Galtor" should be familiar to Succession War era grognards and covers the brawl between the DCMS and AFFS over a newly discovered Lostech cache. "Misery" was where "Wolves on the Border" came to a boil. Death to Mercenaries is Takashi Kurita's private war with Jaime Wolf during the 4th Succession War. "The Red Corsair" details the attempts of the Wolves in Exile and the Kell Hounds to hunt down Clan 'Pirates' who are attempting to destabilize the Truce of Tukayyid. "Glengarry" recaps the bitter fighting between Free Skye seperatists and the Gray Death Legion covered in "Day of Heroes". "Falcon" incursion covers the spirited but disorganized Jade Falcon invasion of Coventry and the chaotic scrums that would eventually break out between the Lyran Training Academies and Falcon Sibkos detailed in "Grave Covenant".
They're all good reads.
The Historical Turning Point series follows the following standardized format:
1 Page Short Fiction
1 Page Planetary Map
1 Page Planetary Overview and Recommended Mapsheets and Terrain Effects
Overview of the Participating Combatants and Random Assignment Tables
7-8 pages of Scenarios Detailing Major Engagments and Historical Outcomes
Record Sheets of Unique 'Mechs and Vehicles of the Combatants
As befits their larger scope and format, The Operational Turning Point series uses an expanded format to detail the scope of the campaign.
2 Page Short Fiction
1 Page Overview
3 Page Atlas of Involved Planets and Recommended Mapsheets and Terrain Effects
1 Page Random Assignment Table
Campaign Map Detailing Force of Advance, Major Personality Overviews and a detailed explanation of the Operation and why it was executed.
1 Page Explanation How To Use The Campaign
2-4 Generic Missions
10+ Historical Touchpoint Missions
Record Sheets of Unique 'Mechs and Vehicles of the Combatants
I especially like these little era books. The Historicals are usually worth at least a quick skim and the OTPs feel like mini-handbooks, similar to the old unprofitable scenario books that FASA used to churn out. Personally I'm glad Catalyst has finally found a format where it can release these profitably.
I recommend at least picking up a book or two. If you're a fan of the whole Succession Wars era mess, Galtor, Misery and Death to Mercenaries are fun. If you want a politics as usual book, Glengarry isn't half bad.
The Red Corsair and Falcon Incursion are good reads if you're a Clan fan (which I am not). Nevertheless, I had a good time with Falcon Incursion - incompetent stumbling Falcon Sibkin colliding with equally greenhorn Lyran Cadets in nasty little firefights is a random and awesome mental image.
It's a good time to be random.