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houstonderek wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Seriously, I think "Don't Believe the Hype", by Public Enemy, should be standard listening when you get a voter registration card...
Do I get a clock medallion to go with my card? Ooh, SWEET!

"YEEEEEEAHHHH, BOOOYYYEEEE!!!!!!!!"

Bass! how low can you go?

Death row. what a brother knows.
Once again, back is the incredible
The thyme animal
The incredible d, public enemy number one
Five-o said, freeze! and I got numb
Can I tell em that I really never had a gun?
But its the wax that the terminator x spun
Now they got me in a cell cause my records, they sell
cause a brother like me said, well...
...frarrakhans a prophet and I think you ought to listen to
What he can say to you, what you ought to do.
Follow for now, power of the people, say,
Make a miracle, d, pump the lyrical
Black is back, all in, were gonna win
Check it out, yeah yall, here we go again

Chorus: turn it up! bring the noise!

Never badder than bad cause the brother is madder than mad
At the fact thats corrupt as a senator
Soul on roll, but you treat it like soap on a rope
cause the beats in the lines are so dope
Listen for lessons Im saying inside music that the critics are blasting
Me for
Theyll never care for the brothers and sisters
Now across the country has us up for the war

We got to demonstrate, come on now, theyre gonna have to wait
Till we get it right
Radio stations I question their blackness
They call themselves black, but well see if theyll play this

Chorus: turn it up! bring the noise!

Get from in front of me, the crowd runs to me
My deejay is warm, hes x, I call him norm, ya know
He can cut a record from side to side
So what, the ride, the glide should be much safer than a suicide
Soul control, beat is the father of your rocknroll
Music for whatcha, for whichin, you call a band, man
Makin a music, abuse it, but you cant do it, ya know
You call em demos, but we ride limos, too
Whatcha gonna do? rap is not afraid of you
Beat is for sonny bono, beat is for yoko ono
Run-dmc first said a deejay could be a band
Stand on its feet, get you out your seat
Beat is for eric b. and ll, as well, hell
Wax is for anthrax, still it can rock bells
Ever forever, universal, it will sell
Time for me to exit, terminator x-it

Chorus...

From coast to coast, so you stop being like a comatose
Stand, my man? the beats the same with a boost toast
Rock with some pizzazz, it will last. why you ask?
Roll with the rock stars, still never get accepted as
We got to plead the fifth, we can investigate
Dont need to wait, get the record straight
Hey, posses in effect, got the flavor terminator
X to sign checks, play to get paid
We got to check it out down on the avenue
A magazine or two is dissing me and dissing you
Yeah, Im telling you..


houstonderek wrote:
"YEEEEEEAHHHH, BOOOYYYEEEE!!!!!!!!"

Never mind "Yes, We Can." The next campaign slogan will be "Cold Lampin' in '12."

Sovereign Court

Cpt_kirstov wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
If our government believes a company can get too big to fail, and it's proven that it can then fail. I'd rather they just disallow companies from getting to that size then afterword uses that annoying mantra as an excuse to throw the companies billions.
isn't this part of what the monopoly law(s) were for?

Not really, maybe the intent might have been there by the people who wrote them, but the language doesn't cover it at all. The monopoly laws were to prevent companies from becoming so large they could price fix and prevent competition. the problem with companies like AIG is that they don't fall under the monopoly laws because they diversify their holdings. They're spread out through tons of different properties none of which they clearly dominate even if they are the largest holder in that particular market.

I mean by definition AIG isn't a monopoly at all, it's just a huge diverse corporation. There are people who want to add and alter the anti-trust laws so that they cover things like this, but as it stands AIG and similar companies aren't in any way in violation of the anti-monopoly laws because they don't form an overwhelming majority of the market share of any particular item they cover. Your company can be as large as you want it as long as it isn't dominating a single products market.

The Exchange

lastknightleft wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
If our government believes a company can get too big to fail, and it's proven that it can then fail. I'd rather they just disallow companies from getting to that size then afterword uses that annoying mantra as an excuse to throw the companies billions.
isn't this part of what the monopoly law(s) were for?

Not really, maybe the intent might have been there by the people who wrote them, but the language doesn't cover it at all. The monopoly laws were to prevent companies from becoming so large they could price fix and prevent competition. the problem with companies like AIG is that they don't fall under the monopoly laws because they diversify their holdings. They're spread out through tons of different properties none of which they clearly dominate even if they are the largest holder in that particular market.

I mean by definition AIG isn't a monopoly at all, it's just a huge diverse corporation. There are people who want to add and alter the anti-trust laws so that they cover things like this, but as it stands AIG and similar companies aren't in any way in violation of the anti-monopoly laws because they don't form an overwhelming majority of the market share of any particular item they cover. Your company can be as large as you want it as long as it isn't dominating a single products market.

And a compnay that large will inherantly not be a monopoly becuase you just "can't have all your eggs in one basket" Doesnt work anymore

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Crimson Jester wrote:


And a compnay that large will inherantly not be a monopoly becuase you just "can't have all your eggs in one basket" Doesnt work anymore

You know whats sad, I can't tell if that was a serious comment or a sarcastic one. I mean I can read it either way.


houstonderek wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

And we have self-proclaimed "libertarians" pushing for federal troops being stationed in Texas to shoot any Mexcans who approach the border (= larger government presence, power, and responsibility), cheering for the Patriot Act (= hugely expanded Federal government powers), and proposing the Fair Tax idea (= large government taxes on goods, inevitably creating a runaway black market (tax on cigarettes in NY, anyone?) and not coincidentally mirroring the British taxes on goods that the colonists had to endure)...

My understanding is that a proper Libertarian would be:
1. Fiscally conservative;
2. In favor of smaller government; and
3. Laissez-faire on just about everything else.

Until I find one that follows 2 AND 3, I guess I still constitute my own 1-person political party.

I can't believe you dissed me like that! You know I'm so #1, #2 and #3 it hurts!

Two person party.

:P

Make that three!

Liberty's Edge

Cpt_kirstov wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
If our government believes a company can get too big to fail, and it's proven that it can then fail. I'd rather they just disallow companies from getting to that size then afterword uses that annoying mantra as an excuse to throw the companies billions.
isn't this part of what the monopoly law(s) were for?

Yep. Again, the problem wouldn't exist if Government hadn't created the playing field in the first place. Our economy only superficially follows free market principles, business really operates under the restrictions, regulations, subsidies, government contracts, oversights and all the other aspects of trade the government has decided to keep an eye on or actively have a hand in.

In the late 1800's to the early 1900's, the huge corporations were run by one man, generally the man who created the company. This man had a serious stake in his company's fiscal health, as it directly affected HIS wealth. Business decisions were either made prudently, or the business failed. There was no huge interconnection between different segments of the market, these weren't financial giants, they made, pumped, or moved things. Yeah, there were bankers then as well, but again, they were usually run by the founders or the heirs, and decisions made impacted their personal wealth as well.

Back then, you were responsible for your own successes and failures, and it affected your life directly. No one could hide behind a corporate shield and be safe from personal loss.

That was a free market (yes, I know it wasn't Eden, I'm not discussing work conditions, monopolies and what-not, just fiscal responsibility).

Now these companies, most of whom produce nothing anymore, just trade around blocks of other people's money/stuff, are headed by mercenaries. They have no stake beyond their compensation package to the company. No loyalty. If things go wrong, they pull the chord on their golden parachute and watch the company crash into the sea. No, the people sitting on boards now are only interested in pumping as much out of the well as they can until it collapses.

Throw in the level of government corruption we have now (people generally don't get govt. contracts for free, you know), the various lobbyists trying to get protectionist/"free trade"/labor laws passed, and the commoditizing of loans as "investments" (who's retarded idea was that?) and any number of other practices that have sprung up since the corporate transition from people playing with their own money to playing with other people's money , and you have what we got now. A bloated, stinky mess of government coercion, corporate malpractice/malfeasance, and a load of corruption, with us stiffs watching it all in disgusted awe.


houstonderek wrote:
A bloated, stinky mess of government coercion, corporate malpractice/malfeasance, and a load of corruption, with us stiffs watching it all in disgusted awe.

There is a very fine line between political commentary and lyrical poetry ;)


erian_7 wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

And we have self-proclaimed "libertarians" pushing for federal troops being stationed in Texas to shoot any Mexcans who approach the border (= larger government presence, power, and responsibility), cheering for the Patriot Act (= hugely expanded Federal government powers), and proposing the Fair Tax idea (= large government taxes on goods, inevitably creating a runaway black market (tax on cigarettes in NY, anyone?) and not coincidentally mirroring the British taxes on goods that the colonists had to endure)...

My understanding is that a proper Libertarian would be:
1. Fiscally conservative;
2. In favor of smaller government; and
3. Laissez-faire on just about everything else.

Until I find one that follows 2 AND 3, I guess I still constitute my own 1-person political party.

I can't believe you dissed me like that! You know I'm so #1, #2 and #3 it hurts!

Two person party.

:P

Make that three!

I'll chime in as #4 (Long as I ain't #7, shudder)

Liberty's Edge

Patrick Curtin wrote:
erian_7 wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

And we have self-proclaimed "libertarians" pushing for federal troops being stationed in Texas to shoot any Mexcans who approach the border (= larger government presence, power, and responsibility), cheering for the Patriot Act (= hugely expanded Federal government powers), and proposing the Fair Tax idea (= large government taxes on goods, inevitably creating a runaway black market (tax on cigarettes in NY, anyone?) and not coincidentally mirroring the British taxes on goods that the colonists had to endure)...

My understanding is that a proper Libertarian would be:
1. Fiscally conservative;
2. In favor of smaller government; and
3. Laissez-faire on just about everything else.

Until I find one that follows 2 AND 3, I guess I still constitute my own 1-person political party.

I can't believe you dissed me like that! You know I'm so #1, #2 and #3 it hurts!

Two person party.

:P

Make that three!
I'll chime in as #4 (Long as I ain't #7, shudder)

Is it just me, or does this feel like the end of "Alice's Restaurant" to anyone else?

Up for a Tea Party? The one in Cincy did well :)

Scarab Sages

houstonderek wrote:

Up for a Tea Party? The one in Cincy did well :)

I heard there was one in Florida that had about 4200 folks show up - 200 more and they could have been an alien conspiracy.

Liberty's Edge

I think this says it all. I found it on a friend's blog:

Dear President Obama,

Thank you for helping my neighbors with their mortgage payments. You know, the one's down the street who in the good times refinanced their house several times and bought SUV's, ATV's, RV"s, a pool, a big screen, two WaveRunners and a Harley.

But I was wondering, since I am paying my mortgage AND theirs, could you arrange for me to borrow the Harley now and then?

Richard Ford, Queen Creek

P.S. They also need help with their credit cards, when do you want me to start making those payments?

P.P.S. I almost forgot - they didn't file their income tax return this year. Should I go ahead and file for them or will you be appointing them to cabinet posts?

Edit: Forgot to add, the writer of this letter lives in California.


Politics aside, I've found an almost perfect correspondence between (a) people critical of Obama and (b) people who can't use apostrophes correctly. Then again, rabid Obama supporters often don't bother to use words (eschewing them in favor of simply cheering), so it's uncertain that their usage is at all superior to their political opponents'.

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Stuffy Grammarian wrote:
Politics aside, I've found an almost perfect correspondence between (a) people critical of Obama and (b) people who can't use apostrophes correctly. Then again, rabid Obama supporters often don't bother to use words (eschewing them in favor of simply cheering), so it's uncertain that their usage is at all superior to their political opponents'.

I would like to point out that I cut and pasted that, only edited for format.

Eh, I don't care about the misplaced/misused apostrophes, the sentiment holds true ;)


houstonderek wrote:
I would like to point out that I cut and pasted that, only edited for format.

If, as people claim, group IQ equals the mean divided by the number of people in the group, our 4-person party is sure to be much smarter (and hence better at grammar) than the bloated "Big 2."

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
I would like to point out that I cut and pasted that, only edited for format.
If, as people claimed, group IQ equals the mean divided by the number of people in the group, our 4-person party is sure to be much smarter (and hence better at grammar) than the bloated "Big 2."

Of course, we'd be better looking and house trained as well, but I really shouldn't pick on Biden and Cheney like that...


houstonderek wrote:
Of course, we'd be better looking and house trained as well, but I really shouldn't pick on Biden and Cheney like that...

Darth Cheney doesn't need to be house-trained; his armor recycles all his bodily fluids for him.

As for Biden, given the amount that comes out of his mouth, I doubt there's much left to be excreted elsewhere.

Liberty's Edge

Good point.

Grand Lodge

Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Of course, we'd be better looking and house trained as well, but I really shouldn't pick on Biden and Cheney like that...

Darth Cheney doesn't need to be house-trained; his armor recycles all his bodily fluids for him.

As for Biden, given the amount that comes out of his mouth, I doubt there's much left to be excreted elsewhere.

THAT IS HILARIOUS AND SO TRUE!


houstonderek wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
I would like to point out that I cut and pasted that, only edited for format.
If, as people claimed, group IQ equals the mean divided by the number of people in the group, our 4-person party is sure to be much smarter (and hence better at grammar) than the bloated "Big 2."
Of course, we'd be better looking and house trained as well, but I really shouldn't pick on Biden and Cheney like that...

Did someone say "house trained"?

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Two news stories on the AIG front. One is about Treasury Secretary Geithner's power grab, and in the other President Obama says it's time to get over our anger at AIG. Anyone else feel that somethiong is rotten in Denmark?

Liberty's Edge

David Fryer wrote:
Anyone else feel that somethiong is rotten in Denmark?

I said that a long time ago.

"Can you believe me now?"

"What about now?"

"And now?"

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Samuel Weiss wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Anyone else feel that somethiong is rotten in Denmark?

I said that a long time ago.

"Can you believe me now?"

"What about now?"

"And now?"

Same here. Been calling dude and empty suit for a long time now, check the archives. Something's been "rotten in Denmark" ever since the press became Obama fanbois instead of living up to their protected role as counter to the BS politics produces by the truckload. There were plenty of clues in Obama's past that indicated how he'd handle the job, too bad the unwashed masses never really heard about them.


That's why I'm not a Texas "libertarian" -- I railed against the Republicans just as much as I do the Democrats -- instead of complaining far more during 1/4 a year of Obama than during 8 years of Bush.

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And, Re: the Topic.

The Republicans are looking pretty good right now, actually. Considering the backlash over the A.I.G. bonuses, and the truth coming out about who knew what when, and the Democrat's hypocritical "fury" over bonuses THEY EXEMPTED IN A BILL THEY WROTE, AND WAS PASSED WITH ONLY 3 REPUBLICAN VOTES (none in the House), the Democrats have to own this.

So, now, the Republican party is in the enviable position of getting to say "we had nothing to do with this mess". And, as they publicly b!+&@-slapped Collins, Snowe and Spector for crossing the aisle, they can paint those three as rogues who do not represent the party.

Win/win for the minority party of hypocrites, big problems next year for those majority party types.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
That's why I'm not a Texas "libertarian" -- I railed against the Republicans just as much as I do the Democrats -- instead of complaining far more during 1/4 a year of Obama than during 8 years of Bush.

Point of order: I didn't have computer access during most of the Bush administration :)

Plus, the press never gave Bush a BJ like they did Obama. Like I said, I prefer hard targets. Republicans are fish in a barrel, with no media game wardens protecting them.

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houstonderek wrote:

And, Re: the Topic.

The Republicans are looking pretty good right now, actually. Considering the backlash over the A.I.G. bonuses, and the truth coming out about who knew what when, and the Democrat's hypocritical "fury" over bonuses THEY EXEMPTED IN A BILL THEY WROTE, AND WAS PASSED WITH ONLY 3 REPUBLICAN VOTES (none in the House), the Democrats have to own this.

So, now, the Republican party is in the enviable position of getting to say "we had nothing to do with this mess". And, as they publicly b%*&~-slapped Collins, Snowe and Spector for crossing the aisle, they can paint those three as rogues who do not represent the party.

Win/win for the minority party of hypocrites, big problems next year for those majority party types.

You're assuming that teh Republicans will actully not miss the oportunity. Somehow I doubt it.


houstonderek wrote:
Plus, the press never gave Bush a BJ like they did Obama.

You mean the way Limbaugh and his brain-dead talk-schlock cohorts offer to the bear the love children of anyone who promises to overturn Roe v. Wade?

They're ALL fish in a barrel, my friend.

Liberty's Edge

Kirth Gersen wrote:
That's why I'm not a Texas "libertarian" -- I railed against the Republicans just as much as I do the Democrats -- instead of complaining far more during 1/4 a year of Obama than during 8 years of Bush.

The problem with complaining about Bush was foreign policy.

I always opposed his domestic incompetence.
And I opposed his foreign policy implementation incompetence.
I supported virtually all of his foreign policy directions. (I still thing we need more of John Bolton at the UN.)

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Plus, the press never gave Bush a BJ like they did Obama.

You mean the way Limbaugh and his brain-dead talk-schlock cohorts offer to the bear the love children of anyone who promises to overturn Roe v. Wade?

They're ALL fish in a barrel, my friend.

Source?

Liberty's Edge

Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Plus, the press never gave Bush a BJ like they did Obama.

You mean the way Limbaugh and his brain-dead talk-schlock cohorts offer to the bear the love children of anyone who promises to overturn Roe v. Wade?

They're ALL fish in a barrel, my friend.

Sorry, Windbag Rush =/= the entire rest of the MSM minus Fox news and the WSJ.

You ask the average CNN/NBC/MSNBC/CBS/ABC news viewer, or NYT/Boston Globe/LA Times reader who put us in this fiscal mess, and it is all Bush's fault. Chris Dodd? Barney Frank? Andrew Cuomo? Who are they? Until Obama's poll numbers (going by Rassmussen here) dropped to the low 50% range, none of the above mentioned media outlets reported anything that would indict any dems in this.

Now that his numbers have dropped, over the last week they have finally started to actually report how this mess got where it is. There are plenty of fingers to point at the GOP, but the media is finally taking everyone to count for it.

Too bad they couldn't have done this in, oh, October. All of the information was there (except, of course, the bill passed that allowed for the AIG bonuses), they chose not to report it.

I stand by my "fish in a barrel" statement. The MSM coopers didn't start making the Dem barrel until last week.

Liberty's Edge

Don't make me go all "redneck" and bring a case of Lone Star on Saturday ;)

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Matthew Morris wrote:
houstonderek wrote:

And, Re: the Topic.

The Republicans are looking pretty good right now, actually. Considering the backlash over the A.I.G. bonuses, and the truth coming out about who knew what when, and the Democrat's hypocritical "fury" over bonuses THEY EXEMPTED IN A BILL THEY WROTE, AND WAS PASSED WITH ONLY 3 REPUBLICAN VOTES (none in the House), the Democrats have to own this.

So, now, the Republican party is in the enviable position of getting to say "we had nothing to do with this mess". And, as they publicly b%*&~-slapped Collins, Snowe and Spector for crossing the aisle, they can paint those three as rogues who do not represent the party.

Win/win for the minority party of hypocrites, big problems next year for those majority party types.

You're assuming that teh Republicans will actully not miss the oportunity. Somehow I doubt it.

Trust me, I'm not saying they won't drop the ball. They had a golden opportunity to lock it in for a long time after Newt's "Contract with America", but they decided to breach that contract after they ran Newt out on a rail. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I'm just saying the majority party left the door open if the GOP can somehow parlay it into something.

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houstonderek wrote:
Don't make me go all "redneck" and bring a case of Lone Star on Saturday ;)

Why not try Polgamy Porter instead. In fact pick up a case and take some home to the wives.

Liberty's Edge

David Fryer wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Don't make me go all "redneck" and bring a case of Lone Star on Saturday ;)
Why not try Polgamy Porter instead. In fact pick up a case and take some home to the wives.

That's funny!

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Glad you liked it. :-) Of course I can't take credit for it. The marketing wizards came up with the slogan.

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Amazingly, Factcheck.org has thrown Obama under the bus, not once, but twice. This after they were practically an arm of the Obama campaign during the elections.


I honestly think that a lot of folks would much rather face a worse depression than the Great one, and also World War III at the same time, and maybe throw in the end of civilization, and on top of it all be forced to sleep with Roseanne Barr as well... rather than have it turn out that Obama isn't any worse or any better than any of the other schlubs that we elect. But no, he has to be either the Messiah or the Antichrist.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Plus, the press never gave Bush a BJ like they did Obama.

You mean the way Limbaugh and his brain-dead talk-schlock cohorts offer to the bear the love children of anyone who promises to overturn Roe v. Wade?

They're ALL fish in a barrel, my friend.

Good grief.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
I honestly think that a lot of folks would much rather face a worse depression than the Great one, and also World War III at the same time, and maybe throw in the end of civilization, and on top of it all be forced to sleep with Roseanne Barr as well... rather than have it turn out that Obama isn't any worse or any better than any of the other schlubs that we elect. But no, he has to be either the Messiah or the Antichrist.

I would rather people stop telling me how much better Obama is than other politicians.

Go through the archives. During the run up to the election, most of my "anti-Obama" posts were just that, me saying "um, he's a Chicago Democratic machine product (generally considered the most corrupt political scene in America, except for the times Louisiana is worse), why do you expect him to be "better" than anyone else?".

Keep picking on me, and I'm bringing Velveeta to pair with the Lone Star!

:P

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
I honestly think that a lot of folks would much rather face a worse depression than the Great one, and also World War III at the same time, and maybe throw in the end of civilization,

Can we get battlemechs while we're at it?


houstonderek wrote:
I would rather people stop telling me how much better Obama is than other politicians.

Like I said, I, too, am awfully tired of people assuming he's the Messiah. But I'm equally tired of people who, after 3 months in office, are already saying he's the worst president we've ever had. I'm witholding all judgement until I can see what actually happens -- not what my "oracular vision" and/or "common sense" (read: "poorly founded opinion") tells me right now. Until then, I'm not too convinced he's any better or any worse than anyone else.

Also -- and here's the main thing -- although I personally suspect that the "stimulus" deals he's brokering are going to hurt in the long run, I honestly and fervently hope I'm wrong about that. I'd rather they succeed beyond our wildest expectations, and have to admit I was wrong, while sipping fine wine... rather than see that yes, they fail miserably, and be able gloat, while living in my new cardboard box.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
I would rather people stop telling me how much better Obama is than other politicians.
Like I said, I, too, am awfully tired of people assuming he's the Messiah. But I'm equally tired of people who, after 3 months in office, are already saying he's the worst president we've ever had.

Isn't that part of the American tradition though? I thought hyperbole and hypocrasy went hand in hand with overblown pompusness in American politics, or politics in general.

Liberty's Edge

Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
I would rather people stop telling me how much better Obama is than other politicians.
Like I said, I, too, am awfully tired of people assuming he's the Messiah. But I'm equally tired of people who, after 3 months in office, are already saying he's the worst president we've ever had. I'm witholding all judgement until I can see what actually happens -- not what my "oracular vision" and/or "common sense" (read: "poorly founded opinion") tells me right now. Until then, I'm not too convinced he's any better or any worse than anyone else.

As long as Carter is never erased from the history book, as far as I'm concerned, neither Bush (43) nor Obama ever have to worry about being "worst in my lifetime".


David Fryer wrote:
Isn't that part of the American tradition though? I thought hyperbole and hypocrasy went hand in hand with overblown pompusness in American politics, or politics in general.

Heh, I remember my father strutting about in 1981, telling everyone who would listen how Reagan was without question the greatest president since Washington, and possibly the greatest leader in the history of the world... only to be passionately cursing "that senile old fool" when the Iran-Contra scandal broke (the only thing the old man hates worse than drug dealers are anti-Semites).

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
I would rather people stop telling me how much better Obama is than other politicians.

Like I said, I, too, am awfully tired of people assuming he's the Messiah. But I'm equally tired of people who, after 3 months in office, are already saying he's the worst president we've ever had. I'm witholding all judgement until I can see what actually happens -- not what my "oracular vision" and/or "common sense" (read: "poorly founded opinion") tells me right now. Until then, I'm not too convinced he's any better or any worse than anyone else.

Also -- and here's the main thing -- although I personally suspect that the "stimulus" deals he's brokering are going to hurt in the long run, I honestly and fervently hope I'm wrong about that. I'd rather they succeed beyond our wildest expectations, and have to admit I was wrong, while sipping fine wine... rather than see that yes, they fail miserably, and be able gloat, while living in my new cardboard box.

Honestly? I hope it crashes and burns in such as spectacular fashion that we can finally have a "do over" and get back to our economic roots and stop trying to be a European style nation. Europe has big problems right now, we just don't hear about it. Even to negative population growth + socialism is a recipe for disaster.

Plus, I'm already looking at a nice refrigerator box under the I-45 overpass downtown, so it isn't like I have much to lose :)

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
I'd rather they succeed beyond our wildest expectations, and have to admit I was wrong, while sipping fine wine... rather than see that yes, they fail miserably, and be able gloat, while living in my new cardboard box.

You could still be sipping wine from a box, in your box.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Isn't that part of the American tradition though? I thought hyperbole and hypocrasy went hand in hand with overblown pompusness in American politics, or politics in general.
Heh, I remember my father strutting about in 1981, telling everyone who would listen how Reagan was without question the greatest president since Washington, and possibly the greatest leader in the history of the world... only to be passionately cursing "that senile old fool" when the Iran-Contra scandal broke (the only thing the old man hates worse than drug dealers are anti-Semites).

Yeah, I have similar memories of a sunday school teacher telling my class of 13 year olds that Ronald Wilson Reagan was the anti-Christ because the letters in his name added up to 666. Marin County in California was really a fun place to grow up as a conservative Republican.


David Fryer wrote:
Marin County in California was really a fun place to grow up as a conservative Republican.

I'm surprised you're as reasonable as you are, politically-speaking. People in Marin County aren't just ivory-tower liberals; they're freakin' NUTS.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Marin County in California was really a fun place to grow up as a conservative Republican.
I'm surprised you're as reasonable as you are, politically-speaking. People in Marin County aren't just ivory-tower liberals; they're freakin' NUTS.

In a Vermont way, or an Amherst way?

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